Conquer Club

Hello,

I won some killer mode because one player does anything .... and another puts me 1/5 (Matt2006)
we must accept the stupidity and immaturity of some players and say nothing ?

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HHedyHH wrote:Hello,

I won some killer mode because one player does anything .... and another puts me 1/5 (Matt2006)
we must accept the stupidity and immaturity of some players and say nothing ?

You have the foe option for the particularly stupid and immature,works well with the dreaded dice bitchers.

HHedyHH. For someone to be found guilty of ratings abuse, we need more than one example.

Can you provide a few additional examples of the accused abusing the ratings system?

BGtheBrain wrote:HHedyHH. For someone to be found guilty of ratings abuse, we need more than one example.

Can you provide a few additional examples of the accused abusing the ratings system?

Dude, click on matt's ratting left and you'll see 10 pages of 1 stars what more examples do you need? And go into the archives and you'll see that he's been reported for this before

Feel free to do that and post some examples for me

BGtheBrain wrote:Feel free to do that and post some examples for me

I'm not going to copy paste 10 pages of examples when you can click on his wall and see for yourself, you're the mod, do your own work. If you can't; then step down and make room for another mod you can do a proper job.

So youre saying you dont want to help out?

afroaction wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:Feel free to do that and post some examples for me

I'm not going to copy paste 10 pages of examples when you can click on his wall and see for yourself, you're the mod, do your own work. If you can't; then step down and make room for another mod you can do a proper job.

rofl examples examples..

you need to provide evidence for cases, and since you obviously know how the site works (after a recient comment in a case.) then maybe you should learn before you talk..
for the rating via the op if you look at the rating page he was pissed with swetepete but gave all 5 stars. and gave the game winner all ones. this is proberly just a miss click look at the game this one
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=11309890

and as you stated there have been cases via matt before and the last page of matts ratings look ok..
as for the op it is ussually common if you ask the person rating bad first before you report because i am sure he would of corrected it.

mods ask for more evidence in all cases not 1 example which can be seen as a mistake.(apart from the intentional deadbeat in the gigi case.) bg has done a good job to date and the mods are busy so asking for a bit of help is not bad.

afroaction wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:Feel free to do that and post some examples for me

I'm not going to copy paste 10 pages of examples when you can click on his wall and see for yourself, you're the mod, do your own work. If you can't; then step down and make room for another mod you can do a proper job.

Well said Afro, same houghts came to mind when i read his response. Do YOUR job mod or gimme the privileges and the free premium and ill GLADLY do it. Youre a little bit arrogant too BG.

So far I have more examples of people not understanding what a C&A mod does than I do examples of ratings abuse...

afroaction wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:Feel free to do that and post some examples for me

I'm not going to copy paste 10 pages of examples when you can click on his wall and see for yourself, you're the mod, do your own work. If you can't; then step down and make room for another mod you can do a proper job.

Find 5 examples - 5 is pretty much the magic number in ratings abuse cases - where Matt2006 rated people poorly (all 1 stars is best) despite no evidence in game chat to justify the rating.

BG is correct that the burden is on the reporting party in this forum for supplying evidence on ratings abuse. You need to calm down on giving him shit, in the grand scheme of things investigating a 1 star rating left against you is a low priority for C&A mods compared to a cheating/multi or even secret diplomacy report...

Also in that game I wouldn't have given you 1 stars but I also would not have given you 5 stars either, the dude who rated you bad was pissed off because he got screwed over by another player in an assassin game and you go and cheerfully announce that it's your first big win.

edit: Just pointing out to BG that this thread wasn't even made in C&A in the first place so no need to get snippy with other users.

BGtheBrain wrote:So youre saying you dont want to help out?

What help do you need ?

Bones2484 wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:So far I have more examples of people not understanding what a C&A mod does than I do examples of ratings abuse...

How about you blame the mod that moved this to C&A (from General) in the first place instead of ridiculing independent users who would be able to provide evidence for this case in a more time consuming manner than you would spend to click one link?

You do understand that CC is legalistic and due process does exist here? How justified would it be for BG to click a link and be like "oh ok abuse" then just warn Matt2006 with no documentation of what precise games were being used to justify the ruling? That's not how it works - you want someone banned, do the work and provide public evidence, which Matt2006 and anyone else can respond to/comment on then the mods can rule based on that public evidence.

Sooo, if the accuser copy/paste said examples, BG wont even go and double check if the accusations are true and not made up. Why not simply click the mouse a few times like he would have to anyways and close the case. Anyways, ill stay out of this now.

SlayerQC wrote:Sooo, if the accuser copy/paste said examples, BG wont even go and double check if the accusations are true and not made up. Why not simply click the mouse a few times like he would have to anyways and close the case. Anyways, ill stay out of this now.

Yes he'll check them obviously, and Matt2006/other interested people will click them as well and check. This forum works best when evidence is laid out publicly and the accused is able to see it, and others are able to examine it. This helps keep down the error rate, maintains the common law principle of precedent, and ensures that punishments are reasonable and with justification.

Dibbun wrote:

SlayerQC wrote:Sooo, if the accuser copy/paste said examples, BG wont even go and double check if the accusations are true and not made up. Why not simply click the mouse a few times like he would have to anyways and close the case. Anyways, ill stay out of this now.

Yes he'll check them obviously, and Matt2006/other interested people will click them as well and check. This forum works best when evidence is laid out publicly and the accused is able to see it, and others are able to examine it. This helps keep down the error rate, maintains the common law principle of precedent, and ensures that punishments are reasonable and with justification.

This is not law school look at ratings left and look at response then keep this fool from rating people. It took me one minute to look at all his bullshit ratings left when he looses he rates bad. And I see ratings that really have no reason behind them like bad attitude when no one even chats. This site just keeps going down.

jltile1 wrote:

Dibbun wrote:

SlayerQC wrote:Sooo, if the accuser copy/paste said examples, BG wont even go and double check if the accusations are true and not made up. Why not simply click the mouse a few times like he would have to anyways and close the case. Anyways, ill stay out of this now.

Yes he'll check them obviously, and Matt2006/other interested people will click them as well and check. This forum works best when evidence is laid out publicly and the accused is able to see it, and others are able to examine it. This helps keep down the error rate, maintains the common law principle of precedent, and ensures that punishments are reasonable and with justification.

This is not law school look at ratings left and look at response then keep this fool from rating people. It took me one minute to look at all his bullshit ratings left when he looses he rates bad. And I see ratings that really have no reason behind them like bad attitude when no one even chats. This site just keeps going down.

I don't understand all this bitching about having to produce 5 games showing ratings abuse. The evidence could have already been produced many times over with all the complaining going on.

I have been a part of many online communities and trust and believe that CC is one of the better ones for due process, you don't want mods who can arbitrarily screw someone for reasons other than clear evidence, that's how a community goes down hard and fast.

If you'd like to discuss the process of C&A, please do in another topic not dedicated to a possible investigation. Let's keep this topic for the actual case.


--Andy

BGtheBrain wrote:HHedyHH. For someone to be found guilty of ratings abuse, we need more than one example.

Can you provide a few additional examples of the accused abusing the ratings system?

ok where is the rudeness in this report...

someone has already said it was made in another part of the forum and transfered to this part... all bg has asked is for more evidence which since this was not a c and a report in the first place is acceptable.

2nd) like i said before if you look at the game and the ratings page you will see
(op of thread) all 1 stars..
sweetpete all 5 stars (these are for the game in ?)

so the evidence provided in the op looks like a genuine mistake so there is not enough there to give a guilty verdict and he needs more evidence... if bg was to give a guilty out in this instance every time 1 player ges a bad rating they will open a report.

eddie2 wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:HHedyHH. For someone to be found guilty of ratings abuse, we need more than one example.

Can you provide a few additional examples of the accused abusing the ratings system?

ok where is the rudeness in this report...

someone has already said it was made in another part of the forum and transfered to this part... all bg has asked is for more evidence which since this was not a c and a report in the first place is acceptable.

2nd) like i said before if you look at the game and the ratings page you will see
(op of thread) all 1 stars..
sweetpete all 5 stars (these are for the game in ?)

so the evidence provided in the op looks like a genuine mistake so there is not enough there to give a guilty verdict and he needs more evidence... if bg was to give a guilty out in this instance every time 1 player ges a bad rating they will open a report.

Now Eddie your not a mod or are you?

Do you really need more proof than to just look at ratings left and look at the games to see its all a bunch of BS. He rates someone with a bad attitude when they never said a word. Come on guys look at the case. Maybe the guy does not know what he is doing. But ask him to jump through hoops when the mods are supposed to be doing there job as Afro said. If someone is doing faulty stuff why should there even need to be a CA filed. Just do your work and put your hand down.

Do you really need more proof than to just look at ratings left and look at the games to see its all a bunch of BS. He rates someone with a bad attitude when they never said a word. Come on guys look at the case. Maybe the guy does not know what he is doing. But ask him to jump through hoops when the mods are supposed to be doing there job as Afro said. If someone is doing faulty stuff why should there even need to be a CA filed. Just do your work and put your hand down.[/quote]


Exactly, the evidence is there, and eddie shut the hell up, 10 pages full of 1 star ratings, really just a mistake? common that's abuse. Stop trying to be the devil's advocate here, if Bg can't take 5 minutes of his time and do a simple check, well then... Sorry that boggles my mind? Then he shouldn't be a mod and have the authority to pass judgement on others, because he did not utilize all his resources to properly investigate the accuses. That goes for any mod in CC!

afroaction wrote:

Do you really need more proof than to just look at ratings left and look at the games to see its all a bunch of BS. He rates someone with a bad attitude when they never said a word. Come on guys look at the case. Maybe the guy does not know what he is doing. But ask him to jump through hoops when the mods are supposed to be doing there job as Afro said. If someone is doing faulty stuff why should there even need to be a CA filed. Just do your work and put your hand down.

Exactly, the evidence is there, and eddie shut the hell up, 10 pages full of 1 star ratings, really just a mistake? common that's abuse. Stop trying to be the devil's advocate here, if Bg can't take 5 minutes of his time and do a simple check, well then... Sorry that boggles my mind? Then he shouldn't be a mod and have the authority to pass judgement on others, because he did not utilize all his resources to properly investigate the accuses. That goes for any mod in CC![/quote]


Plus 50000000000

Do your job suckers

ok lets look then from the op's rating down
conquerhero rating all 1's this is from game chat..

2012-06-28 05:27:10 - conquerhero: ah well...
2012-06-28 07:15:01 - Matt2006: Didn´t you realize, green, that you never ever had enough armies to kill me, or you don´t know how to count...?

connonfire all ones cannot see why but i don't like that map so maybe some bad play. he did lose though.
Game 11300546

Robert E Lee772 ok this game.
Game 11210640

robert e lee makes no attempt to attack red at any point in the game. and by the looks of it weakening all other players. so could be deserving of 1 stars. where as
rjcabrita who won the game got 5 stars. along with Evalaxis who got 5 stars for the same game.
and
Tsouke for this same game who got 1 stars but when he took matt out of the game he didnt get a mid turn cash in a flat rate game is bad play.
Darthakian
Game 11273099

2012-06-21 14:28:46 - Darthakian was kicked out for missing too many turns

2012-06-21 14:25:03 - Matt2006: Hi, gl and thank you for joining my game
2012-06-21 14:28:52 - Darthakian: hi, free point from me, not here to take this site serious anymore, its all rigged and to be honest its a whole big con, so enjoy mate

so a deservered rating.
barns
Game 11268558
read the game chat.

this is the top 5 then include the 6th bad rating for the op's which like i said looks like rating in wrong order... so like bg did proberly do (look at the last couple of games with bad ratings) which took me 30 mins this does not look like abuse.. take into account we do not know if there was anyform of eticket report putting a stop to his bad ratings on page 2.

then the fact that the people telling him to do his job can make several posts but cannot be arsed to look at the games and come op with 3 or 4 valid examples. makes it look like you had a quick look and could not be arsed to look any further.

and no i am not trying to be a mod, The only reason why affro is giving bg crap is because bg warned him for flaming 2 days ago. so suck it up and if you still cannot give examples then expect this to be cleared...