Conquer Club

Accused:

Crowley
divegeester



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
or
Conducting Secret Diplomacy



Game number(s):

Game 10789620


Comments:

- Seven hours after the game was initialized, these two accounts deployed their troops within 10 minutes of each other.
- They quickly proceeded to expand alongside each other, both taking continents next to each other, never attacking each other. They have combined to assault 17 regions so far and not once have they assaulted each other. Not once.
- Both accounts missed their turn in round 3(!).
- These "coincidences" were pointed out in the chat. Crowley responded by saying, "Yeah, Steve and I both have lives outside this fucking site dude."
1- Crowley knows that divegeester's name is "Steve", yet they have never played a game together, no names were shared in the chat, and Crowley claims to be from South Africa in his profile while divegeester claims to be from the UK.
2- Crowley has completed 1582 games since 2007.
3- divegeester has completed 1 game since 2009(!). That one completed game was from this month - and they were kicked from the game in round 4 for missing too many turns. divegeester was a "member" of the site for three years and never played a single game.

Something very strange is going on here...

They may know each other if divegeester used to be the now guested divejester. So they probably shouldn't be in standard games together.

Very interesting...

divejester actually refers to himself as divegeester in the chat of game Game 10540292. And divejester is also referred to as Steve. So at the very least, this is the same person. divejester played their 9 games during the month of February this year, and then divegeester started playing in March.

And dive*ester and Crowley have the same offensive way of chatting, both using expletives every other word.

Now if Crowley and dive*ester are not the same person (which I'm still unsure of), there is at least secret diplomacy going on.

The secret diplomacy in this game is just getting more and more blatant. Borders of their occupied zones are totally unprotected and they refuse to attack each other. I'm all for diplomacy, but it has to be in the chat! People like this really ruin games on CC.

They are Cleared of being multi's. Will look into the SD claim.

Cool, thanks.

Wow, I was guessing that at least divegeester would be found to be a multi with divejester given the evidence. Rather surprised at the clearing. But this sounds like a pretty clear case of SD at least.

True, do I need to start a new thread to point out that divegeester and divejester are the same person?

I would hope that they would have looked into that already, but it can't hurt.

As nippersean pointed out above, divejester is now a member of the group "Guests", while divegeester is a member of "Registered users". Does this make any difference? Or should one person still not own two different accounts?

joshzam wrote:As nippersean pointed out above, divejester is now a member of the group "Guests", while divegeester is a member of "Registered users". Does this make any difference? Or should one person still not own two different accounts?

If only 1 off the 2 is guested then they where not "related" because if they where they both would have been guested. If Divejester is guested then he was a multi but not with Divegeester.

sniffie

joshzam wrote:True, do I need to start a new thread to point out that divegeester and divejester are the same person?

You shouldn't have to ... Mods usually check all parties involved for multis, I believe. That's why you see C&A reports that end with [OP BUSTED]. Cuz they even check the guy filing the report. Just in case, I guess.

sniffie wrote:

joshzam wrote:As nippersean pointed out above, divejester is now a member of the group "Guests", while divegeester is a member of "Registered users". Does this make any difference? Or should one person still not own two different accounts?

If only 1 off the 2 is guested then they where not "related" because if they where they both would have been guested. If Divejester is guested then he was a multi but not with Divegeester.

sniffie

Unless divejester was busted for something and then signed up for a new account: divegeester.

I mean the a guy engaged in what seems to be clearly bad behavior (accidentally? coincidentally?) mistypes his name and it appears exactly like a person who was booted for bad behavior? And coincidentally has the same first name, too? And is coincidentally involved in a game where the winner played 9 games with the booted fellow with a similar name?

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... so=&page=1

How could this guy have possibly been cleared as a multi? At least divejester and divegeester. I think the mods may be relying a little too much on whatever IP tools they have and not enough on common sense.

There is going to be a slight delay in the verdict.

FYI, TFO - I edited my post above, so our posts may have crossed paths on the interwebs.

Also, why don't you have your mod badge? I assume from your post, above, that you are still an acting mod.

maybe it's best we stall this discussion until the mods have a new verdict.
They'll need some time for that, better to wait, in my opinion.

sniffie

After reviewing the log, I am going to clear them. I don't see enough evidence to make me think there was any SD based on this.

Just because you think 2 players should break each other's bonuses, doesn't mean they should. They each had 1 round to break it, before you killed off 3 players. By that point, you had more territories then both of them combined, and 2 bonuses. Crowley broke one of your bonuses, and dive tried to kill green after, but missed it. You killed green, and took back a bonus and killed off one of red's bonuses.

To me, this is a case of you attacking too early and declaring yourself the leader in the game, and you thought that they should have made different attacks.

Thanks for the detailed review, even if I don't agree with your final decision or how you appeared to arrive at it. But it is definitely nice to know that there is a system in place to try and keep the site enjoyable.

TheForgivenOne wrote:After reviewing the log, I am going to clear them. I don't see enough evidence to make me think there was any SD based on this.

Just because you think 2 players should break each other's bonuses, doesn't mean they should. They each had 1 round to break it, before you killed off 3 players. By that point, you had more territories then both of them combined, and 2 bonuses. Crowley broke one of your bonuses, and dive tried to kill green after, but missed it. You killed green, and took back a bonus and killed off one of red's bonuses.

To me, this is a case of you attacking too early and declaring yourself the leader in the game, and you thought that they should have made different attacks.

WHOA! What happened to the multi complaint? Are you telling me that all the anomalies posted are coincidences? That is, are you saying that divejester and divegeester are different people? I would think that given it was pointed out in the thread that it would be looked into, but I took your "cleared of being multis" decision as just saying that the two players in the present game were cleared of being multis.

agentcom wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:After reviewing the log, I am going to clear them. I don't see enough evidence to make me think there was any SD based on this.

Just because you think 2 players should break each other's bonuses, doesn't mean they should. They each had 1 round to break it, before you killed off 3 players. By that point, you had more territories then both of them combined, and 2 bonuses. Crowley broke one of your bonuses, and dive tried to kill green after, but missed it. You killed green, and took back a bonus and killed off one of red's bonuses.

To me, this is a case of you attacking too early and declaring yourself the leader in the game, and you thought that they should have made different attacks.

WHOA! What happened to the multi complaint? Are you telling me that all the anomalies posted are coincidences? That is, are you saying that divejester and divegeester are different people? I would think that given it was pointed out in the thread that it would be looked into, but I took your "cleared of being multis" decision as just saying that the two players in the present game were cleared of being multis.

Crowley and dive were cleared. Divegeester and Divejester were busted before, and divegeester is the main account now.

Oh I see. Thanks for the update. I thought that a previous poster was indicating that Divejester had been permanently banned from the site (in all his forms). My mistake.