Conquer Club

Accused:

BGtheBrain

The accused are suspected of:

Sexist remarks

Comments:

BG makes a comment here: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=164743&start=60#p3598700

BGtheBrain wrote:Telling a woman (or someone you think is a woman) "stupid bitch go play with dolls" is a sexist comment.

To say that the statement "stupid bitch go play with dolls" is sexist, one must believe that women are meant to "play with dolls". The idea that only females play with dolls is sexist as males also play with dolls.

Proof:

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyword ... Joe&page=1

And clearly the original thread can't be considered baiting BG into making the comment. Bcuz as we learned in the previous report, you can say anything but it's up to the other person not to react.

The doll comment is gender neutral. Context (whether jake thought Becky is a he/she) is irrelevant, cuz if you make other bigoted comment, context isn't taken into consideration your still punished.

IcePack

so now accusing someone of sexism is a sexist thing to do?

aad0906 wrote:so now accusing someone of sexism is a sexist thing to do?

Only if the original comment made was gender neutral.

TheGeneral2112 is getting a vacation for his latest baiting attempt.

BG's statement is not sexist. The comment referred to, whether made to a man or a woman, is a sexist comment, end of story. He just pointed out what the particular offense was for that case.

If you believe that the case was judged wrongly, there is a process for going about having the report revisited. Posting something like this is not the proper way, and you know it General.

The C&A Forums are for serious reports only. Please carry yourselves accordingly.

good luck....not even getting into this....

deathcomesrippin wrote:TheGeneral2112 is getting a vacation for his latest baiting attempt.

BG's statement is not sexist. The comment referred to, whether made to a man or a woman, is a sexist comment, end of story. He just pointed out what the particular offense was for that case.

If you believe that the case was judged wrongly, there is a process for going about having the report revisited. Posting something like this is not the proper way, and you know it General.

The C&A Forums are for serious reports only. Please carry yourselves accordingly.

This is a serious report and I feel like BG's comments were sexist. I am reporting them seriously and expect this to be treated as a serious report.

TheGeneral2112 wrote:To say that the statement "stupid bitch go play with dolls" is sexist, one must believe that women are meant to "play with dolls". The idea that only females play with dolls is sexist as males also play with dolls.

IcePack wrote:The doll comment is gender neutral.

Come on guys, you should know better than this. This is a spurious report.

Words are not just words, you have to take in consideration the cultural context, the historical baggage of what is said. You can't go calling people "faggots" and then claim "but I'm just calling you a bundle of sticks, it's not bigotry!"

IcePack wrote:Context (whether jake thought Becky is a he/she) is irrelevant

You're right, whatever Jake thought of Becky's gender is irrelevant. Sexist remarks are sexist remarks - I'm a male and I find sexist remarks against women offensive.

IcePack wrote:cuz if you make other bigoted comment, context isn't taken into consideration your still punished.

Context was considered here. The context was that Jake made a bigoted, sexist remark, which is forbidden by CC rules.

The comment is only sexist if you think that only girls play with dolls. There is no way a gender neutral comment can be sexist.

TheGeneral2112 wrote:The comment is only sexist if you think that only girls play with dolls. There is no way a gender neutral comment can be sexist.

It is not a gender neutral comment. You're ignoring the historical meaning of the phrase. Go learn how language works.

natty dread wrote:

TheGeneral2112 wrote:The comment is only sexist if you think that only girls play with dolls. There is no way a gender neutral comment can be sexist.

It is not a gender neutral comment. You're ignoring the historical meaning of the phrase. Go learn how language works.

Historical context? Like when? 1900's? I don't know about you but I know lots of children boys & girls play dolls now. This is context in which we live in today - when the comments where made - not historically.

IcePack

deathcomesrippin wrote:TheGeneral2112 is getting a vacation for his latest baiting attempt.

BG's statement is not sexist. The comment referred to, whether made to a man or a woman, is a sexist comment, end of story. He just pointed out what the particular offense was for that case.

If you believe that the case was judged wrongly, there is a process for going about having the report revisited. Posting something like this is not the proper way, and you know it General.

The C&A Forums are for serious reports only. Please carry yourselves accordingly.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel there is becoming a total loss of plot around here?

deathcomesrippin wrote:TheGeneral2112 is getting a vacation for his latest baiting attempt.

BG's statement is not sexist. The comment referred to, whether made to a man or a woman, is a sexist comment, end of story. He just pointed out what the particular offense was for that case.

If you believe that the case was judged wrongly, there is a process for going about having the report revisited. Posting something like this is not the proper way, and you know it General.

The C&A Forums are for serious reports only. Please carry yourselves accordingly.

Please explain how the comment made re: dolls, if directed to someone who is male, is a sexist statement and not "gender neutral".

IcePack

Natty, So if what you say is true, no matter what the thought belief is, no matter what the social norm is now, because something was considered offensive in the past it, it has to be considered offensive now?

I think you are incorrect.

That seems like a very narrow minded point of view. Almost a biggoted point of view.

As BG pointed out yesterday:

Biggotry - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

No one has addressed Jefjef comment on game chat vs forum rules. They have been quoting forum rules for game chat violations. (previous thread).

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IcePack wrote:No one has addressed Jefjef comment on game chat vs forum rules. They have been quoting forum rules for game chat violations. (previous thread).

lol dont even go down that line icepack they are the rules that are used to bust anyone being biogoted. if you want to say tht then every person that has been busted for the use of the words f**got or ni**a in game chat need to have there bans reversed. like what has also been proven is baiting someone in game chat is allowed but responses serious responses are not. you and others are posting in response to 1 line that was used but there were several that could be clased as sexiest and other things.

Acutally no there couldn't in this report. BG stated that the warning was based on this statement alone.

The problem is is that the rules are way out of wack. He could have told Becky/Bubba to go f themselves in their dirty c**t. And that would have been ok. But telling he/she to go and play with dolls is an offense. Seriously, you don't find a problem in that? Especially when nowadays it is socially acceptable for anyone to play with dolls?

Actually Eddie if you read both threads you'll see I've addressed a lot of what was said.
I have never supported nor will the words you mentioned. This is different. Thanks tho

IcePack

Also got to agree w Evo - a specific statement was made saying one statement was out of line in the warning. Go back and actually read te thread please eddie.

Ice

HAHA... you need a permanent forum ban for all this garbage you keep bringing.

IcePack wrote:No one has addressed Jefjef comment on game chat vs forum rules. They have been quoting forum rules for game chat violations. (previous thread).

My specific concerns have been addressed and answered. It was not only the dolls comment but in conjunction with several other segments of that games chat that resulted in the warning and I fully concur and support the verdict and am now also officially a Brainiac!

i can't believe somebody would get somebody kicked 4 that just foe them

lorenzolynnlogan wrote:i can't believe somebody would get somebody kicked 4 that

Apparently you think making sexist, racist or otherwise bigoted comments is OK?