Conquer Club

Accused:

Keefie
Awesome A
Johnny Dickshot
of the Headless Horseman clan

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 10258045

Comments: Team 1, Awesome A & Johhny Dickshot have been leading the game, with team 2 Keefie & GeneralRisk in second place. Team 3 pretty well screwed but stacking on our borders to keep us busy. Team 4 (me & smegal69) deploying 1 less troop than team 2 but two +1 autodeploy, still plenty of room to play (except, of course, for team 1 being left alone). Team 2 continuously ignored breaking team 1's deploy (currently 23). Multiple times I've asked GeneralRisk why he was sitting on his ass letting team 1 get so far ahead and he responded he couldn't do anything without Keefie agreeing. Keefie decides to gut my bonus (killing 18 troops over 3 regions breaking 3 bonuses), totally ignoring team 1 who he could have broken a +7 bonus by bombarding a 12 stack from his 27 stack artillery (Keefie used that 27 to bomb my 4 stack artillery that was seriously threatening his +1 bonus with 48 total troops on it).

Normally I would mark this up to poor playing or poor sportsmanship, but as any Stalingrad regular knows Keefie is top-notch on the map. Not that we have played many games together, but I hope he wasn't holding freestyle Game 10587195 against me and being a poor sport. He is well rated and an often partner of my clan mate GeneralRisk. The only reason I could think of Keefie doing this was to guaranty his clan mates win.

I have no way of proving AA or JD asked Keefie to attack the 3rd place team, just using common sense. FAMO isn't a satisfactory response when good players behaves poorly. I expect nothing to come of this, just wanted to express my disappointment with these players and let others know when they are in multi-team games with these Headless Horsemen to watch out for being hit from behind. ☠

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Absurd.

Johnny Dickshot wrote:Absurd.

Well that's certainly a convincing argument.

Woodruff wrote:

Johnny Dickshot wrote:Absurd.

Well that's certainly a convincing argument.

I agree. Certainly convinced me.

An absolutely laughable suggestion. If a mod would like access to my account to check my pm's, then absolutely no problem.. GR is my regular partner and we often play against my own clan mates, usually beating them. So why would I pick this game to do this ? Tec805 has got the ass with me because I accused him of using cheap tactics the other day http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10587195.

This accusation doesn't deserve any more of a reply.

So are you also accusing GeneralRisk, who happens to be in your clan AND a self proclaimed Stalingrad guru, of cheating too?....

jefjef wrote:So are you also accusing GeneralRisk, who happens to be in your clan AND a self proclaimed Stalingrad guru, of cheating too?....

I do not cheat on this site and as far as I know Keefie doesnt cheat either. Keefie and me are regular partners in Stalingrad games including many against his own clanmates.

GeneralRisk wrote:

jefjef wrote:So are you also accusing GeneralRisk, who happens to be in your clan AND a self proclaimed Stalingrad guru, of cheating too?....

I do not cheat on this site and as far as I know Keefie doesnt cheat either.

Exactly my point. From the complaint it would appear that tec805 feels something is going on other than you and keefie simply trying to win a game.

jefjef wrote:

GeneralRisk wrote:

jefjef wrote:So are you also accusing GeneralRisk, who happens to be in your clan AND a self proclaimed Stalingrad guru, of cheating too?....

I do not cheat on this site and as far as I know Keefie doesnt cheat either.

Exactly my point. From the complaint it would appear that tec805 feels something is going on other than you and keefie simply trying to win a game.

I am really unsure what Tec thinks is going on but iI have lost about 600 of the 1800 stalingrad games I have played in and 1 more loss dont mean dickshit to me, after all its just a freakin game.

Just one more thing. Tec805 says in his OP that he contacted Generalrisk on more than one occaision. Well I don't see anything in game chat ? So we can only believe that he was secretly trying to influence his own clan mate to alter the course of the game. So Tec805 it looks like you are the one guilty of secret diplomacy.

JefJef,

I've played this game for over 5 years and I've always maintained the highest levels of sportsmanship and integrity. I never have nor never will cheat in this game.

Keefie

Game chat:

2011-12-29 18:16:53 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 5~????BdDaCdGhCaDaCaCaDaBeCfDaCeFf?CdDiBaDc?DeBaCaDcFeFe?Cc?DhCaBdBbCdCd??BaDeCgBaCaBaDdBa??EfBaDfDaEiDf??Dg??Db????Ca?EfEhDiDaDcBcDeCaDbCbEbDeDd??DeDg???CbChDcDbDiDhDc???
2011-12-31 13:24:30 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 5~????BdDaCdGhCaDaCaCaDaBeCfDaCeEf?CdDiBaDc?DeBaCaDcGeFe?Cc?DhCaDdBbCdDd??BaDeCgBaCaBaDdBa??EfBaDfDaEiDf??Dg??Db????Ca?EfEhDiDaDcBcDeCaDbCbEbDeDd??DeDg???CbChDcDbDiChCc???
2012-01-02 16:32:19 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 6~????BdDaCdHhCaDaCaCaDaBeCfDaCeEf?HdDiBaDc?DeBaCaDcFeDe???????BaBa??BaDeCgBaCaBaCdBa??BfBaDfDaEiBa??Dg??Fb????Ca?DfEhDiDaDcBcDeCaDbDbEbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcCbCiChCc???
2012-01-07 00:44:01 - smegal69: GR wet powder in your cannon?
2012-01-07 18:27:42 - Johnny Dickshot: let's keep the personal talk out of it, shall we?
2012-01-07 21:50:40 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 9~????BdDaCdFhFhDaCaCaDaCeBdDaCeEdEdBdDiBaDc?EeBaCaDcHeHe???????FbFb?BgFgDeCgBaCaBaBaBaCiBaCfEiDfDaEiBa??DgFh?FbBaBaFfDbCa?FfGhCfDaEcBcEeCaIbEbEbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcCbEiChCc???
2012-01-08 00:44:41 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 9~????BdDaCdFhFhDaCaCaDaCeBdDaCeFdEdBdDiBaEc?EeBaCaDcJeIe???????GbGb?BgFgDeCgBaCaBaBaBaCiBaCfEiDfDaEiBa??DgBh?FbGhGhFfDbCa?FfBhCfDaEcBcEeCaIbEbEbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-10 08:45:41 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 10~????BdDaCdGhGhDaCaCaDaCeBdDaCeFdEdBdEiBaEc?EeBaEeDcJeMe???????GbGb?EgFgDeCgBaCaBaBaBaCiBaCfGiDfDaEiBaFh?DgBh?FbIhIhFfDbCa?FfCfDfEcEcHcEeCaIbEbEbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-12 17:46:29 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 11~????BdDaDdHhHhDaCaCaDaCeBdDaCeJdEdBdJiBaEc?DeBaEeEeJeMe???????GbGb?KgFgDeCgBaCaBaBaBaCiBaCfGiDfDaEiBaFh?DgDh?FbIhIhFfDbCa?FfCfDfGcIcHcEeCaMbFbEbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-16 19:53:05 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 13~????BdDaDdHhHhDaCaKiDaCeBdDaCeNdIdBdCiBaEc?EeBaGeGeKeMe???????GbGb?IgIgDeCgBaCaBaBaBaCiBaCfGiDfDaCiBaGh?DgKh?FbIhIhFfDbCa?DcCcCcIcJcIcEeCaMbGbGbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-19 02:56:30 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 14~????BdDaDdHhHhDaCaKiDaCeCdDaCeNdMdBdCiBaEc?EeBaHeHeMeMe???????GbGb?IgIg?Cg???BaBaGiBaCfGiDfDaCiBaGh?DgIh?FbKhPhNfBbCa?EcIcCcIcMcIcEeCaMbGbGbDeDd??DeDg????DhDcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-21 05:15:20 - tec805: is this Arm's Race, Eldritch?
2012-01-21 22:59:56 - Eldritch: seems so
2012-01-23 00:35:24 - tec805: this round I made sure my p actually deployed his troops
2012-01-24 05:26:16 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 16~????BdHhHh?????DaCeCdDaCeRdQdBdCiBaDc?EeBaKeKeNePe???????GbGb?JgJg?Cg???BaBaGiBaFfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgIh?FbVhMhXfBbCa?GcIcEcKcMcIcEeCaNbGbGbDeDd??DeDg????DhEcBaEiChCc???
2012-01-24 23:02:15 - tec805: please don't take my Hill, I react poorly
2012-01-25 05:02:43 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 17~????BdChHh??Da?KiDaCeGdDaCeRdQdBdCiBaDc?BeBaKeKeNePe?Ba?Ba???GbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaBaBaBaGiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaFh?DgIhIhFbNhMhBhBbCcDaHcIcCcKcOcIcEeCaObGbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBbDhEcCeEiChCcEgFcDa
2012-01-28 17:44:47 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 18~????BdIhKh??Da?JiDaDeKdDaDeRdQdBdCiBaDc?CeBaKeKePePe?Ba?Ba???GbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaBaBaBaGiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgIhIhFbNhOhBhBbCcCcHcKcDcKcOcIcEeCaObGbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBbDhEcCeEiChCcEgFcDa
2012-01-30 21:06:19 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 19~????BdIhKh??Da?JiDaBeKdDaBeVdQdBdCiBaDeFeCeBaKeKePePeDaBa?Ba???GbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaBaBaBaJiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgIhIhFbNhOhBhBbEcEcIcIcDcKcPcIcEeCaObGbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBbHhEcCeHiChCcEgFcDa
2012-01-31 04:36:49 - tec805: a +7 is a little hard to let you have Johnny, don't you think?
2012-01-31 04:37:59 - tec805: keefie, would you mind bombing me off r64th 72nd? I hate having a 1 sitting there waiting to get nuked, so much suspense!
2012-01-31 08:30:33 - Keefie [team]: Glad to oblige
2012-01-31 08:30:44 - Keefie: glad to oblige
2012-02-01 01:43:51 - tec805: thanks!
2012-02-01 03:15:06 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 20~????BdIhGh??Da?JiDaBeKdDaBeVdTdBdCiBaDeBeCeBeKeKePeYeDaBa?Ba???GbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaBaBaBaJiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgEcIhFbCcNhBaBbEcCcEcEcBcCcPcBcIbCaObDbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBbHhEcCeHiChCcEgFcDa
2012-02-01 07:44:53 - tec805: retaliation is gonna suck when there is nothing left to lose
2012-02-03 06:30:12 - tec805: could have broke you easily BB but left you intact, I'd appreciate the same because of the ever increasing team 1 problem
2012-02-03 22:08:28 - Johnny Dickshot: um...are you guys aware of the ever-increasing team 2 problem?
2012-02-03 22:10:47 - Johnny Dickshot: we're just minding our own business
2012-02-04 04:16:24 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 21~????BdIhGh??Ih?KiDaBeKdDaBeVdXdBdBiBaEeCeCeCeMeMeQeBDeDaBa?Ba???CbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaBaBaBaJiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgEcChFbCcChBaBbEcEcKcEcBcGcPcBcIbFbObFbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBaFhEcCeDiChBaEgFcDa
2012-02-04 08:01:43 - tec805: team 2 didn't tear me apart on the south shore, they can do as they please unmolested from me
2012-02-10 08:36:40 - GeneralRisk [team]: what do u think we should do in this game?? Especially what should I do??
2012-02-10 16:56:41 - Keefie [team]: Deploy on Left Div and I'll make a move on Orange ?
2012-02-10 17:14:19 - GeneralRisk [team]: lol...............I am just concered with team 1 out deploying us ...but if we do like u say then i better fortify a few more rounds esp on bombardables
2012-02-10 17:15:22 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 23~????HhIhIh??Lh?KiDaBeKdDaBeVdBBdFdBiBaEeEeEeKeMeMeVeBIeDaBa?Ba???FbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaHiBaBaBiBaBfGiDfDaCiBaIh?DgEcChFbBaEhBaGcGcGcKcGcGcGcScGcIbFbUbFbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBaFhEcGeEiChBaEgGcDa
2012-02-12 11:32:21 - GeneralRisk [team]: snap :: 24~????IhIhIh??Lh?KiDaBeVdDaBeVdBBdFdBiBaEeEeEeKePePeVeBIeDaBa?Ba???FbGb?JgJg?BaBaCaRiBaBaBiBaBfIiDfDaCiBaIh?DgIcChFbBaEhBaMcGcGcKcIcGcGcYcGcIbFbXbFbGbDeDdDiDfDeDgCgCfBaBaFhEcGeEiChBaEgGcDa
2012-02-13 23:01:09 - smegal69: good game Team 1..... Team 2 must want you to win..... shame they don't get points for coming second..... but then they are your clan mates
2012-02-14 00:19:44 - tec805: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=164688
2012-02-14 04:55:44 - Johnny Dickshot: wah
2012-02-14 04:56:29 - Johnny Dickshot: you guys see enough of the board to know better
2012-02-14 04:56:43 - Johnny Dickshot: and we've played before with no complaints
2012-02-14 04:57:22 - Johnny Dickshot: no clue where this is coming from, but if we never play again, so be it
2012-02-14 05:07:09 - Keefie: Pack guys, you really are a couple of assholes Tec, GR will confirm this I asked him 4 days ago when he had a bonus to deploy on me so I could make a move on you. Not for any other reason other than our own expansion. So f*ck you pal.
2012-02-14 05:10:49 - Keefie [team]: In the past couple of days you really have gone down in my esitmation.
2012-02-14 05:10:52 - Johnny Dickshot: I think what makes me saddest is the mistaken notion that General Risk would cheat
2012-02-14 05:11:03 - Johnny Dickshot: except to beat me
2012-02-14 05:11:30 - Keefie: In the past couple of days you really have gone down in my esitmation...
2012-02-14 05:12:30 - Keefie [team]: Exactly JD, GR is way better than that bunch of flea ridden street mutts
2012-02-14 05:12:42 - Keefie: Exactly JD, GR is way better than that bunch of flea ridden street mutts.
2012-02-14 05:14:57 - Keefie [team]: Err sorry GR, I keep posting things in private that should be public. They're not aimed at you.

Keefie wrote:JefJef,

I've played this game for over 5 years and I've always maintained the highest levels of sportsmanship and integrity. I never have nor never will cheat in this game.

Keefie

I'm not saying or believing that you or GenRisk are cheating. I find it ludicrous that tec specifically accuses you but not GR who would have to be in on it. Does he think GR wouldn't notice you playing oddly? If you were throwing the game I'm sure GR would not be happy about it. He wouldn't look the way.

This looks to be a spurious complaint designed to smear HH.

I expect nothing to come of this, just wanted to express my disappointment with these players and let others know when they are in multi-team games with these Headless Horsemen to watch out for being hit from behind.

Thank you JefJef

This would appear to be a classic example of why I avoid multiple team games like the plague!

Keefie wrote:check my pm's,

Does anyone seriously believe clans do not use IM for communicating instead of or in addition to PM's?

Keefie wrote:Tec805 has got the ass with me because I accused him of using cheap tactics the other day http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10587195.

I'm pretty sure I don't "got the ass", but I did list that game in my initial post. It was silly of you to join a freestyle "herders" game and expect them to not utilize the settings to their advantage. I was on the winning team, I hold no grudge about the game or what you said. Your team was not the first nor will be the last to get freestyle'd by us and leave unhappy thoughts in chat. Do I need to apologize once more to make you feel better?

jefjef wrote:So are you also accusing GeneralRisk, who happens to be in your clan AND a self proclaimed Stalingrad guru, of cheating too?....

If I thought GR was cheating I would have said so. I don't want to put anything into your mouth so please stop putting your words into mine. Keefie said he wanted to do something, GR went along with him. GR couldn't care less about another win or loss unless it's against some low ranker that gets lucky against him a couple times, then he gets a little perturbed. I highly doubt Keefie told GR he wanted to hand the game to his clan mates. Smegal and I have called GR many things over how they were playing this game, but none that need be repeated here. Keefie and GR had a terrible drop and were able to turtle their way into second place while the rest of us jockeyed for position. When it was obvious my partner and I were getting a little too far ahead GR took to a plane and bombed two of my regions. Team 1 is far ahead of where we had been at any time and team 2 hasn't once broken a single bonus of theirs even though they had connections to every single one of them.

jefjef wrote:Exactly my point. From the complaint it would appear that tec805 feels something is going on other than you and keefie simply trying to win a game.

You do not win a game by eating up your and another teams troops, taking no bonus nor gaining control of a vital area while leaving the game leader alone. Anyone who has played a few games understands this. I have a very hard time thinking Keefie would play so poorly without purpose. +2607 points, 536 from 793 games with a 68% win ratio, he doesn't make cook moves like that. If he was smoking crack when he came up with that move I'd be happy to apologize for this C&A report.

Keefie wrote:So Tec805 it looks like you are the one guilty of secret diplomacy.

Yes, I must work on my secret diplomacy because GR apparently thought I was trying to tell him to give the game to AA & JD. Imagine how embarrassed I must be!

jefjef wrote:This looks to be a spurious complaint designed to smear HH.

Yes, of course jefjef, I often come here to file spurious reports and smear other clans because I have nothing better to do then troll the forums pretending to be a mod and sticking my nose into everyone else's business. You really stuck it to me there!

BTW, I value my 4.9 rating and wouldn't lightly piss people off for no reason. I do not rate people vindictively but am not naive enough to think others do not. But I also think if clan mates are going to help each other they should be on the same team or not have a stake in the game.

Tec805, I swear on the life of everyone who is dear to me that there has been absolutely NO communication between myself and team 1 regarding this game or any other.

You were deploying 13 at a time and breathing down my neck. You were a far bigger danger to me than team 1. Also if you were so worried about team 1 why didn't you deploy on your plane and bomb their bonuses ? You were trying to influence us, through GeneralRisk and not in game chat, to do your dirty work for you. You failed, suck it up like a man and deal with it.

Thought I'd throw this out there...

HH doesn't use any IM to communicate (like skype). In fact, there is really only minimal communication outside of game chat through PMs, and the chat isn't always what you'd call overflowing with discussion either. So to think that they are using outside sources for SD is pretty much dumb.

QoH is quite correct, HH do not use any external method to communicate with each other. Hell, I can't even get the buggers to use our forum, so everything is done either in game chat or by pm.

Keefie wrote:QoH is quite correct, HH do not use any external method to communicate with each other. Hell, I can't even get the buggers to use our forum, so everything is done either in game chat or by pm.

i hate to say this but i think this case is going to go down the same lines as sd. i think you will all get a noted and if this kind of thing appears again a block.. they will proberly also say try keep games like this with clan players or other friends. because if someone else joins they have every right to think underhand tactics are at play. me on the other hand i think things are being played proper but i hate that map and have no idea of the bonus layout.

You'd better be wrong eddie2. I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

Keefie wrote:You'd better be wrong eddie2. I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

i hope so as well but that is how they usually play it.

A few things:

First, sorry for shortening the name. I needed to fit in there

Second, let's try to tighten up on the the posts and keep it on topic. So far, you have all done an admirable job of not flaming or baiting each other, but the discussion is getting a bit heated. We don't mind the posts as long as they are not way off topic or flaming, so keep it as it's going and everything will be cool.

Third, this is goingto take a bit more time, so please be patient and let us do our job.

Thanks, guys and gals.

Thank you DCR.

I'd just like to add one more thing. Generalrisk and I have been regular partners since the summer of 2010 and have played many many games together and I regard him as my closest mate in this game. I would do absolutely nothing to damage that friendship/partnership. Neither would I do anything to damage the reputation of my clan The Headless Horsemen, I'd rather lose than that happen.

IMHO, this is a nasty, mean spirited and spurious complaint designed to either damage the reputation of HH or more likely, break up the partnership between myself and Generalrisk. A successful team that is seen as a big threat by the OP.

Cheers
Keefie