Conquer Club

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:53 pm**

Accused:

Alstergren

The accused are suspected of:

Farming NRs

Game number(s):

Game 10434968
Game 10434958

Game 10432836
Game 10430017
Game 10430003

Game 10427508

Game 10406152

Game 10399090

Game 10396470

Games discovered by IrishAce that were played against NRs at the time.

Game 10416387..................2012-01-11 19:12:55 - Game has been initialized
WARLORDe..............3 GP on 11 January 2012 18:03:08

Game 10392820...................2012-01-07 21:17:09 - Game has been initialized
hr.jakobsen..............3 GP on 07 January 2012 19:37:12

Game 10347828...................2011-12-30 23:34:53 - Game has been initialized
BenBrazos...................3 GP on 30 December 2011 22:56:35

Game 10269143........................2011-12-16 19:58:02 - Game has been initialized
mateja321.....................2 GP on 16 December 2011 18:40:48

Game 10368204...................2012-01-03 17:59:02 - Game has been initialized
The Mighty P...............1 GP on 03 January 2012 18:05:41(0 GP when this game started)

Game 10347533.....................2011-12-30 22:48:37 - Game has been initialized
tolemac........................1 GP on 31 December 2011 00:14:21 (0 GP when this game started)

Game 10300826......................2011-12-22 10:02:11 - Game has been initialized
eEagle.........................1 GP on 22 December 2011 10:06:52 (0 GP when this game started)

Game 10269426.......................2011-12-16 19:57:23 - Game has been initialized
richardk.........................1 GP on 20 December 2011 12:54:45 (0 GP when this game started)

Game 10366178................2012-01-03 09:52:18 - Game has been initialized
MyNamesJosh...............1 GP on 03 January 2012 08:44:42

Game 10267132..................2011-12-16 09:34:06 - Game has been initialized
maesteezyy................First and last game on the site

Comments: A quick look shows mostly 1v1 games against low ranked players. It appears he is raking gamefinder and joining against very low ranked opponents. If this is what you wanna' do, idgaf as long as it is not NRs. Except it is NRs. I would also bet that some of the low ranked 1v1s he played were NRs when the game was played. This is only the first page of his games.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:02 am**

Hmm... seems questionable and reasonable.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:54 am**

Looks like farming to me.................problem is, he is partners with eye84 in some questionable games. so more than likely, it well be swept under the rug. Also. Masli joined a couple of games with ? last week and in one, that he got beat in, he questions the player if he has another account..............http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10420888

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:56 am**

good choice on Game 10434968 where the ? got thrown out for being a multi, I checked 1 game, are the rest the same?

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:08 pm**

SirSebstar wrote:good choice on Game 10434968 where the ? got thrown out for being a multi, I checked 1 game, are the rest the same?

The first 2 games listed are against a cadet and was busted as a multi. On page 1, I see 7 games against players that are still listed as ? s and of those none have been busted as multis.......Makes no difference if multis or not because it is a clear attempt at farming new recruites,.................The question is why are these guys joining games against ?....thats what I would like to know. I see many complain about GLGH and yet what he does is within the rules....what these others are doing joining games against ? ....should be dealt with...............Looking thru some of his games and a run across hektorhero
Rank:
Private 1st Class Private 1st Class....not sure what his rank was when games took place, but what I find somewhat amusing is that Alstergren joined 3 Stalingrad games that hektorhero had set. Now I have played approx. 18oo games on that map and set games up almost daily and yet Alstergren and I have never played together on any map. Another thing that I find somewhat amusing is Alstergren belongs to a elite group of 5 members.....Strategy Guides Leaders.....what a fucking joke....but a strategy that has worked for many of the elites so far.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:53 pm**

Alstergren will go unpunished. he is part of the circle around here.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:26 pm**

Master Bush wrote:Alstergren will go unpunished. he is part of the circle around here.

Go unpunished for what? He is not breaking any rules! Lack said that we are allowed to play MANY new recruits!

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:28 pm**

yeah this is bull, in game 10393528 he asks Alstergen to quit joining his games,he doesnt,so in the last game they are in together he says something about it again. This guy apparentley didn't know about the foe option, just gave him some advice on how to do it. If this is indictive of how some of the upper ranked players conduct themselves,there should be alot of point resetting going on. Truly sad if you have that rank and need to raise your win ratio this way. You bring shame to this site and the players who try and get rank fairly. Totally disgusted with this mess. If something doesnt change soon,Thinking some of the people I have been against on site reform are correct and I have stood on the wrong side of this argument. Wrong by anyones standards what is going on there. Yeah I know MB you got something to say as usual,be done with it, Just make it something on topic and new please

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:40 pm**

demonfork wrote:
Master Bush wrote:Alstergren will go unpunished. he is part of the circle around here.

Go unpunished for what? He is not breaking any rules! Lack said that we are allowed to play MANY new recruits!

Oh so that is how you became conqueror....I was wondering because it made no sense to me.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:55 pm**

GeneralRisk wrote:
demonfork wrote:
Master Bush wrote:Alstergren will go unpunished. he is part of the circle around here.

Go unpunished for what? He is not breaking any rules! Lack said that we are allowed to play MANY new recruits!
Oh so that is how you became conqueror....I was wondering because it made no sense to me.

I rarely played against new recruits, I raised my score by playing public speeders that anyone could join.

I became Conqueror when my score was close enough to challenge the at the time Conqueror. I challenged him to a 5 game series and I prevailed....

All of which has nothing to do with Alstergren and this accusation against him.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:03 pm**

demonfork wrote:
GeneralRisk wrote:
demonfork wrote:
Master Bush wrote:Alstergren will go unpunished. he is part of the circle around here.

Go unpunished for what? He is not breaking any rules! Lack said that we are allowed to play MANY new recruits!
Oh so that is how you became conqueror....I was wondering because it made no sense to me.

I rarely played against new recruits, I raised my score by playing public speeders that anyone could join.

I became Conqueror when my score was close enough to challenge the at the time Conqueror. I challenged him to a 5 game series and I prevailed....

All of which has nothing to do with Alstergren and this accusation against him.

k

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:52 pm**

Also, keep in mind. This is only his last 5 days worth of games...

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:55 pm**

TheGeneral2112 wrote:Also, keep in mind. This is only his last 5 days worth of games...

I think today was a slow day for him though....no ? s and legally beat up a cook and a private.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:42 pm**

TheGeneral2112 wrote:Also, keep in mind. This is only his last 5 days worth of games...

So what exactly does it mean to you when Lack says...

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:46 pm**

demonfork wrote:
TheGeneral2112 wrote:Also, keep in mind. This is only his last 5 days worth of games...

So what exactly does it mean to you when Lack says...

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

Repeatedly joining the game of a new recruit even as that recruit is asking you to stop doing so...that doesn't seem "systematic" to you?

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:55 pm**

Woodruff wrote:
demonfork wrote:
TheGeneral2112 wrote:Also, keep in mind. This is only his last 5 days worth of games...

So what exactly does it mean to you when Lack says...

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

Repeatedly joining the game of a new recruit even as that recruit is asking you to stop doing so...that doesn't seem "systematic" to you?

No it doesn't

What Maxatstuy was doing (and the reason why this rule was made in the first place) would be what I consider "systematic targeting"

Max specifically sought out only new recruits, 99% of the games he played were against new recruits.

Alstergren has played THOUSANDS of games against a great diversity of ranks. This handful of ?'s that Alstergren has played against could hardly be considered a violation of the rule.

Posted: **Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:58 pm**

GeneralRisk wrote:Looks like farming to me.................problem is, he is partners with eye84 in some questionable games. so more than likely, it well be swept under the rug. Also. Masli joined a couple of games with ? last week and in one, that he got beat in, he questions the player if he has another account..............http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10420888

Actually, if anything, Evil Semp or king achilles will look into this if Alstergren is friends with eye.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:34 pm**

TheForgivenOne wrote:
GeneralRisk wrote:Looks like farming to me.................problem is, he is partners with eye84 in some questionable games. so more than likely, it well be swept under the rug. Also. Masli joined a couple of games with ? last week and in one, that he got beat in, he questions the player if he has another account..............http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10420888

Actually, if anything, Evil Semp or king achilles will look into this if Alstergren is friends with eye.

I don't believe GeneralRisk's implication was that eye84 would sweep it under the rug, actually. Rather, that it would be "overlooked" in the same manner that eye84's situation was. I could be wrong about that, of course.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:51 pm**

Ahhhhh. Our friend alstergren. Do a search on 2 player public = 2826 games. It seems the average rank would be cadet, maybe private, with a lot of "?" and alster is pretty well exclusively player 2.

alster loads his opposition. The only times he really has any is in tourney's. Everyone complains about GLGH but alster game loading is way beyond. He just isn't any were near as successful at it.

This does deserve to be NOTED at the minimum.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:19 pm**

Woodruff wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
GeneralRisk wrote:Looks like farming to me.................problem is, he is partners with eye84 in some questionable games. so more than likely, it well be swept under the rug. Also. Masli joined a couple of games with ? last week and in one, that he got beat in, he questions the player if he has another account..............http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10420888

Actually, if anything, Evil Semp or king achilles will look into this if Alstergren is friends with eye.

I don't believe GeneralRisk's implication was that eye84 would sweep it under the rug, actually. Rather, that it would be "overlooked" in the same manner that eye84's situation was. I could be wrong about that, of course.

You are correct

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:33 pm**

jefjef wrote:Ahhhhh. Our friend alstergren. Do a search on 2 player public = 2826 games. It seems the average rank would be cadet, maybe private, with a lot of "?" and alster is pretty well exclusively player 2.

alster loads his opposition. The only times he really has any is in tourney's. Everyone complains about GLGH but alster game loading is way beyond. He just isn't any were near as successful at it.

This does deserve to be NOTED at the minimum.

I did the search on his two player public games and it indicates to me that he is a herder, rancher and farmer and a great strategist.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:24 pm**

Sigh - just got a head's up regarding this thread.

A bit surprised to see nine ?s games (although four is/was against multis, so hardly ?s in practice). In any event, these games covers quite a few days and just a fluctuation having joined a lot of games lately, both 1v1s and others. Looking at my game list, I don't see how this could be a farming case since games with ?s in them is a very small minority of the games in my game list. Joining games against ?s is allowed so long as it isn't systematic targeting of new recruits and I try to make sure I stay far away from such an amount of ?s so it could be considered anything close to systematic.

I keep KA's past ruling on this in mind to keep my game list away from anything near systematic:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=118608&p=2618284&hilit=alstergren#p2624248

But I don't mind throwing in a game or two with ?s. It's a pretty bad point loss if loosing but it adds unique kills, a ranking which I enjoy improving.

For it to be systematic, I would assume that it would have to reach a relatively high % of games joined. I would, looking at past rulings I'm aware of, assume that systematic entails a double digit % (games joined against ?s) at least. E.g. (at a quick search): http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=159499&start=0&hilit=farming So no, don't think this complaint holds water. But what do I know, haven't paid much attention to the C&A Forum during the past year or so don't know if the decision practice regarding this rule has changed. Feel free to post a link in that case and substantiate the complaints with some facts taking my game history in account (and not just cherry picking a few games).

I understand though that there has been some whining about the mods lately. Don't particularly enjoy seeing these posts connecting me to this whining. What is the deal here, "guilty" by association. Would appreciate to have this thread closed on the merits and not having it influenced by general complaints to influence the C&A mods.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:47 pm**

One player in particular asked you not to join anymore of his games due to how easy you were beating him, and yet you continued. You dont think that is taking advantage of someone? DarrenJG, starting at game 10393527 he asked you to stop joining his games and you laugh at him because he cant beat you,then join some more of his games. I see how you made your win ratio and rank well done mighty CC player, you have managed to beat alot of ?,cooks all the way up to corporal. I am :oops:

for you big time. What clan claims You, I forgot to look.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:19 pm**

alstergren wrote:For it to be systematic, I would assume that it would have to reach a relatively high % of games joined.

Systematic doesn't imply a high percentage. It implies you use a system.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:53 pm**

alstergren wrote:Sigh - just got a head's up regarding this thread.

A bit surprised to see nine ?s games (although four is/was against multis, so hardly ?s in practice).I have played over 10,000 games and am aware of only two multi busts. What is happening with your games is very similar to masli and eye84,except your not a multi hunter. Your frequent partner eye84 is a mh and would not surprise me if he is helping you out in both your team games with him and your 1 v 1 games. In any event, these games covers quite a few days and just a fluctuation having joined a lot of games lately, both 1v1s and others. Looking at my game list, I don't see how this could be a farming case since games with ?s in them is a very small minority of the games in my game list. Joining games against ?s is allowed so long as it isn't systematic targeting of new recruits and I try to make sure I stay far away from such an amount of ?s so it could be considered anything close to systematic.

I keep KA's past ruling on this in mind to keep my game list away from anything near systematic:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=118608&p=2618284&hilit=alstergren#p2624248Do you put this ruling under your pillow before you go to sleep?

But I don't mind throwing in a game or two with ?s. It's a pretty bad point loss if loosing but it adds, unique kills a ranking which I enjoy improving. We can all see you do not mind playing many games with ? and join even when asked not to.You mention loosing...here is from the urban dictionary1. loosing 230 up, 36 down

You never use this word so please spell "losing" correctly from now on.
You mean you are LOSING the war, not LOOSING you idiot!
buy loosing mugs & shirts
by Real World Person Sep 13, 2005 share this add a video
2. Loosing 81 up, 4 down

THANK YOU! In the last 6 months everyone seems to be writing 'loosing'. THE WORD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IS LOSING.
L-O-S-I-N-G. You are losing the match, you are losing your talent, you are losing your virginity! The second definition is wrong, you would say 'loosening'You mention you want to add to your unique kills......I am certain there is a huge untapped resource of players ranked above the rank of cadet that you have yet to play

For it to be systematic, I would assume that it would have to reach a relatively high % of games joined. I would, looking at past rulings I'm aware of, assume that systematic entails a double digit % (games joined against ?s) at least. E.g. (at a quick search): http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=159499&start=0&hilit=farming So no, don't think this complaint holds water. But what do I know, haven't paid much attention to the C&A Forum during the past year or so don't know if the decision practice regarding this rule has changed. Feel free to post a link in that case and substantiate the complaints with some facts taking my game history in account (and not just cherry picking a few games).

I understand though that there has been some whining about the mods lately. Don't particularly enjoy seeing these posts connecting me to this whining. What is the deal here, "guilty" by association. Would appreciate to have this thread closed on the merits and not having it influenced by general complaints to influence the C&A mods.

Not sure what you mean by whining, unless you are talking about cheating of which may have gone unpunished but is well documentedFinally, I would not lose any sleep over this complaint because you are well connected and almost certainly well be free to continue your farming operations.

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