Conquer Club

Accused: king achilles

The accused are suspected of: Moving topics to the "Closed C&A Reports" section while they are still being investigated.

Comments:

Masli, who is a Multi Hunter, and as such falls under the responsibility of KA, is accused of wrong-doing. The word is that it is being investigated and will be dealt with "internally".

Has it been investigated and dealt with internally? I don't think so, so why is it in "Closed Q&A Reports?

KA, who is the team leader of the Multi Hunters, should not even investigate the issue with Masli, since any wrong doing in his department clearly reflects on his leadership. In fact, if Masli would be proven to have done wrong. KA should take responsibility. If Masli is found guilty, he should take do the honorable thing and admit he was not able to control his team.

As it stands now, the guy responsible for the team is probably still "investigating", while the original report, as well as a follow-up thread, are already filed under "Closed Q&A Reports.

Now, I'm not saying Masli is guilty. First of all the issue should be investigated and handled by somebody else than his department head. Second: It should remain an open case in the Q&A Forum. I would go as far as to say that any results and findings should also be made public. We're talking about the Multi Hunter team here, any attempt to keep this under wraps or internal will always be suspect.

Some people say that Masli's reputation is now tarnished, whether he is actually guilty of the accusations made or not. I would say that until he is declared innocent, preferably by somebody other than his own department head, the whole department is tarnished. And the way the department is dealing with it right now is definitely not helping to put the CC community's mind at rest.

I have always had great confidence in the administrators of this site, KA included, but at this point I think KA is abusing his position of power, basically the same way Masli is accused of. The only difference is that KA isn't gaining any points he's simply trying to make this "go away".

One little remark I can't help to make: This whole thing with Masli playing 1v1 and having his opponents being exposed as multis (wrong or right) has been going on a lot longer than him being a multi hunter.

For the record: I have nothing personal against Masli or KA. In fact, when I was a member of TeamCC I got along fine with them and admired their work and endeavor.

Even though this shouldn't really be classified as "the same thing", go ahead KA, make my day and give me my "well-deserved Christmas gift". Or you could be a "real man" and keep this case "open" and tell us all what's going on and maybe we will keep some confidence in your team.

Lx

lol... how do you accuse this guy and win? he runs the C&A and will just lock this... hes not gonna guest himself LOL!

The only way to even make a difference is unite as a productive group and demand some form of communication and respect. Then we will all be banned to shut us up, guaranteed!

Lindax, it is not only me who is looking into this. Now, enjoy the holidays for now and wait. Some people actually do.

That thread will be updated when we have already finished the investigation.

king achilles wrote:Lindax, it is not only me who is looking into this. Now, enjoy the holidays for now and wait. Some people actually do.

This thread

I have been waiting a month for you to get back to me, so how long do we wait again, kinda tired of waiting bud.

^ Keep it on topic bud.

king achilles wrote:Lindax, it is not only me who is looking into this. Now, enjoy the holidays for now and wait. Some people actually do.

That thread will be updated when we have already finished the investigation.

Fair enough. I'm a very patient man. But why is it filed away under "closed"?

Lx

PS: Your holidays aren't everybodies holidays. Gotta keep a world wide perspective here.

Sigh ok man, at least you are answering me! I will send another E ticket but 3 is my max. Just curious who else may be looking into this? I hope it is Andy.

It's in the closed section because since this is a potential C&A abuse case, the admins will handle this and look into the facts and also give the accused a chance to defend himself. The thread got locked because some of you could not control your spamming and flaming.

Just like any other ex-mods who were once mods but got taken out eventually, we don't see the reasons being publicly posted by their head supervisor so that everyone will know why he got laid off from the mod position. Things like that are handled internally whether there's a dirty laundry or not. I will update that report once we have all the needed information and a verdict. This was already my plan from the start. Nothing is being hidden or conspired about but some of you can think what you what to think regardless of what I say anyway.

PS. Not everything is done swiftly as we may like it. Just because this involves a mod, we should not hatch up conspiracy theories like some people would want us to think.

king achilles wrote:It's in the closed section because since this is a potential C&A abuse case, the admins will handle this and look into the facts and also give the accused a chance to defend himself. The thread got locked because some of you could not control your spamming and flaming.

Just like any other ex-mods who were once mods but got taken out eventually, we don't see the reasons being publicly posted by their head supervisor so that everyone will know why he got laid off from the mod position. Things like that are handled internally whether there's a dirty laundry or not. I will update that report once we have all the needed information and a verdict. This was already my plan from the start. Nothing is being hidden or conspired about but some of you can think what you what to think regardless of what I say anyway.

PS. Not everything is done swiftly as we may like it. Just because this involves a mod, we should not hatch up conspiracy theories like some people would want us to think.

Ok, I understand your point, but you may have missed mine. Speaking for myself, I never asked for anything to be dealt with quickly. Nor did I complain about topics being locked. It was obvious why that happened and just IMHO.

There is nothing wrong either with the accused defending themselves, even behind closed doors. That is not the point.

The fact remains that you are the leader of the multi hunters and also one of the two site administrators who "handle this case". I still think that could be a problem, or at least a conflict of interests.

Apart from that you have not satisfactorily explained why this topic has been moved to "Closed Q&A Reports" when it's far from closed. What's a potential C&A abuse case? Haven't we had those before? Can't you be a bit clearer? Still smells like trying to "make it go away".... Don't you understand that the CC community wants answers and not some vague description of what's going on?

FFS, you guys (admins) should feel good about so much interest in the integrity of multi hunters!

Lx

i do not really see the problem with the thread being closed lindax. because what does it actually fall under. the case was given a noted plz remember masli has a clean sheet record wise. there is no outright rule against what has happened. so in the public side of it this case is closed. now it is down to lack andy ka + other mods to decide if what he done affects his mod dutys.

sorry for double posting.

there is another case a bit similar to this that was dealt with via e ticket. i will explain it.

it was in regards to the duality accounts one player used to sign up to his games knowing he was about to get busted. king a (or a c and a mod) sent this player a polite noted pm telling him to stop. this info came from the player involved in the case so i will not post his/her name but they might come in and verify this.

eddie2 wrote:i do not really see the problem with the thread being closed lindax. because what does it actually fall under. the case was given a noted plz remember masli has a clean sheet record wise. there is no outright rule against what has happened. so in the public side of it this case is closed. now it is down to lack andy ka + other mods to decide if what he done affects his mod dutys.

As usual eddie, you missed the point.

Lx

no lindax i do see the point. but what i also see is

1)joshyboy for the case involving herkman this was noted then mods dealt with it behind the scenes and removed his mod powers.

2)soliderboy this case was dealt with then his powers were removed behind the scenes.

3)masli case this case has publicy been dealt with it got a noted (due to no actual rule in place to stop it.)
and is getting dealt with behind the scenes in ref to his mod status.

non of the first 2 cases did admin go back to the thread and say anything. nor did anybody complain about it all. trust me if i thought king a dealt with this wrong i would be the first to say so.

In fact, if Masli would be proven to have done wrong. KA should take responsibility.

This farce of a thread is just a personal attack against ka.

As it stands now, the guy responsible for the team is probably still "investigating", while the original report, as well as a follow-up thread, are already filed under "Closed Q&A Reports.

This farce of a thread is spurious.

Or you could be a "real man"

This farce of a thread is a vindictive bait.

This farce of a thread was created after the justified locking of 2nd thread and a friendly warning to not create another.

You should be warned lindax. YOU chose to miss the point.

Lindax, I can close and lock threads if they are already getting out of control or do I have to ask permission to the community so that I can be "open" and that I am not hiding anything? Just because a moderator is being reported, you easily believe something suspicious is going on. I already] said that you guys would have to wait and that report will be updated soon. I already told why it was locked. What is so vague and hard to understand in that? Conspiracy? Abuse?

Bear with the wait. Nobody wants this dragged longer than it is getting to be. I certainly don't, as personal grudges and accusations keep coming up towards me as if I am hiding everything from you.

Spare me the conspiracy theories. I am not making this "go away" but believe what you want to believe. Just because you disagree with something I did, you make a report about me. Again, spare me with your suspicions and bear with the wait.

This is closed.

I don't know if you guys are truly confused or if you are intentionally misreading each other's posts just so you can get the last word in!?

Lindax is not bitching about the thread being locked, he's bitching about it being MOVED to closed. Is it possible to lock it and leave it in the open section? This would signify that it is still being investigated.

king achilles wrote:Lindax, it is not only me who is looking into this. Now, enjoy the holidays for now and wait. Some people actually do.

That thread will be updated when we have already finished the investigation.

Could u give us a time frame?

king achilles wrote:It's in the closed section because since this is a potential C&A abuse case, the admins will handle this and look into the facts and also give the accused a chance to defend himself. The thread got locked because some of you could not control your spamming and flaming.

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PS. Not everything is done swiftly as we may like it. Just because this involves a mod, we should not hatch up conspiracy theories like some people would want us to think.

- Previous thread is marked as noted... which sounds like "yes we notice what u say now chill out, celebrate the upcoming holidays and continue to play games".
- So far you claim that there is investigation going on but there is no time frame for it.
- Masli isn't the only MH that has done this.
- Keeping the thread closed while the case is still investigated(at least C&A team claims that investigation is not over)
- Masli has never responded to the accusations which created a situation for everyone to think of why was he doing that... and that combined with what I previously said leads to speculations(u read this as spamming and flaming) and conspiracy theories.
- You ask we to be patient and to have faith C&A team, but u haven't given us anything in return.

You call conquer club a community, well in a community where wrong doings happen the public is made well aware of it. The same should happen here. If he is innocent or not innocent the whole community wants to watch it unfold. All the secret behind the scenes whispers that happen on this site should be publicly viewable.

LoL This is one of the most amusing things I have seen,When we paid or not which ever we chose,I dont recall the part that said we got to see all internal decisions that were made by CC and admin no matter what the circumstances might be.When you go to the movies or watch a movie on tv that you paid for do you demand to know what the actors had for lunch or how they arrived on set noooo.You get what you paid for.When you go to a sports game and an referee or umpire makes a call you dont like do you get to as a paying customer get to call them out and see why they made the call or do you sit there and wait to see how the game turned out.Achilles has explained himself wait for the verdict get off the lynch band wagon you are starting to look bad.And really if you dont like how the site is ran try something else tiddlywinks or whatnot,then you can make the decisions you want or get mad when your kids dont do things the way you want in the game

Gunn217 wrote:I don't know if you guys are truly confused or if you are intentionally misreading each other's posts just so you can get the last word in!?

Lindax is not bitching about the thread being locked, he's bitching about it being MOVED to closed. Is it possible to lock it and leave it in the open section? This would signify that it is still being investigated.

That is exactly my point. Thank you.

Lx

jgordon1111 wrote:LoL This is one of the most amusing things I have seen,When we paid or not which ever we chose,I dont recall the part that said we got to see all internal decisions that were made by CC and admin no matter what the circumstances might be.When you go to the movies or watch a movie on tv that you paid for do you demand to know what the actors had for lunch or how they arrived on set noooo.You get what you paid for.When you go to a sports game and an referee or umpire makes a call you dont like do you get to as a paying customer get to call them out and see why they made the call or do you sit there and wait to see how the game turned out.Achilles has explained himself wait for the verdict get off the lynch band wagon you are starting to look bad.And really if you dont like how the site is ran try something else tiddlywinks or whatnot,then you can make the decisions you want or get mad when your kids dont do things the way you want in the game

Try the enter/return key, maybe that big bar in the middle of the keyboard.

GoranZ wrote:- Masli has never responded to the accusations which created a situation for everyone to think of why was he doing that... and that combined with what I previously said leads to speculations(u read this as spamming and flaming) and conspiracy theories.

I can basically guarantee that Masli is not going to post his defense in public. With some of the people around here, no matter what he says to the public will matter. Plus, he very possibly may have to include mod hunting details to explain why he joined the games, which would definitely not be wise to post in public. Some of you are demanding that he posted a defense in public immediately, even though the accusation was made over a major holiday weekend. You're asking too much. Even real court trials stop for holidays.

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:- Masli has never responded to the accusations which created a situation for everyone to think of why was he doing that... and that combined with what I previously said leads to speculations(u read this as spamming and flaming) and conspiracy theories.

I can basically guarantee that Masli is not going to post his defense in public. With some of the people around here, no matter what he says to the public will matter. Plus, he very possibly may have to include mod hunting details to explain why he joined the games, which would definitely not be wise to post in public. Some of you are demanding that he posted a defense in public immediately, even though the accusation was made over a major holiday weekend. You're asking too much. Even real court trials stop for holidays.

Honestly, the "multi-hunting details" ha thats a joke. Anyone with any knowledge of the internet knows there are probably 4 or 5 ways you check for multi's and they are:

-Ip address's (block or singular)
-Operating systems
-Web Browser
-Gameplay times
-Log in times
-Possibly mac address's but that can spoofed

All of which can be circumvented by using two computers both with different operating systems and different web browsers and play at the same time, not different times but at the same time or wildly varying times, just be creative with it. Then all you need is a free web based proxy to deal with the ip issue. There are also international proxies that will allow the sly multi to fool your average cc player into thinking they are from different countries. And if you go into the detail of using mac address's well there are spoofers out there.

As for secret diplomacy well...its all about the log. There everyone is a lesson in multi-hunting, that was class 101. Stay tuned for multi-hunting class 201.

Now that we have put that out there I ask Masli to post and explain to us why he has the ability to gain free points when the rest of us dont. If its about being a multi-hunter i'm sure you will have loads of applications from people looking for free points. If it is simply a case of I didn't want anyone to join that naughty naughty multi's game, then maybe you should ban them then delete the game, instead of joining it, and boosting your rank at the same time. If you can't ban them then delete their game, then maybe that should implemented.

Anyway, enough bitching for one day. Masli, and KA I do hope your intentions were honorable, however if the whole issue was transparent to the community you wouldn't have a witch hunt on your hands. Just sayin...

s3x

s3xt0y wrote:Anyway, enough bitching for one day. Masli, and KA I do hope your intentions were honorable, however if the whole issue was transparent to the community you wouldn't have a witch hunt on your hands. Just sayin...

You still haven't posted what's not transparent. A verdict hasn't been reached, so that's not being hidden. They aren't going to come out and explain the multi hunting process, so there's no lack of transparency there. Masli probably has been enjoying his holiday instead of writing up a defense for himself, so there's no lack of transparency there. The only lack of transparency I've seen is that some people are upset that Masli wasn't immediately punished and are now going on a crying crusade. Is KA supposed to be posting every single step he takes in gathering information? If not, then there's nothing else to be transparent about.