Conquer Club

Accused:

King_Herpes

The accused are suspected of:
Farming
Illegal Point Collecting

Game number(s):
Game 10199722
Game 10202204
Game 10215274
Game 10215275
Game 10215277
Game 10215668
Game 10215675
Game 10215678
Game 10215756
Game 10215757

Comments:
Farming noobs and newbies with inviting them to fs games which he can win by objective in 1 round ...

Edit: Looking at his other games I found around 50 of these farming games: LINK TO GAMES

A screenshot attached in case of he deleted his games ...

Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

That's a pretty stupid map if you can win it by objective in one round.

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

angola wrote:That's a pretty stupid map if you can win it by objective in one round.

Well if you play with someone who knows how to play then it could be fun, but that guy is mass inviting noobs/newbies and all he need to do is getting the objective after manual deploy round and as soon as he starts his next turn, game is over ...

Some examples:

2011-12-03 09:07:25 - Incrementing game to round 3
2011-12-03 09:07:37 - King_Herpes lost 716 Jones to neutral player
2011-12-03 09:07:37 - King_Herpes held the British Officers objective
2011-12-03 09:07:37 - King_Herpes won the game

2011-12-03 09:06:06 - Incrementing game to round 3
2011-12-03 09:06:19 - King_Herpes lost Hook to neutral player
2011-12-03 09:06:19 - King_Herpes held the British Officers objective
2011-12-03 09:06:19 - King_Herpes won the game

2011-12-03 13:51:51 - Incrementing game to round 4
2011-12-03 13:52:00 - King_Herpes held the British Officers objective
2011-12-03 13:52:00 - King_Herpes won the game

2011-12-03 22:19:13 - Incrementing game to round 4
2011-12-03 22:19:27 - King_Herpes held the British Officers objective
2011-12-03 22:19:27 - King_Herpes won the game

ISN2 wrote:

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

The players invited were not New Recruits (under 5 games). Thus, as the rules state and as several past cases have shown, he is doing nothing wrong, as farming is ONLY specific targeting of New Recruits. Check the cases a week or two ago on GeneralLeeGettinhead (sp?), you may not agree with it but KH and others are entirely within their right to do this.

Why is this pending?

demonfork wrote:Why is this pending?

...Because they're discussing it?

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:

demonfork wrote:Why is this pending?

...Because they're discussing it?

-Sully

Could this be a tide change in CC? If there's ever been a case that is not farming, but is "gross abuse", it is probably this one. The particular map and setting combinations that allows a 3-turn victory, combined with the active solicitation of unwitting players could definitely be called into question. I'm not saying I come down one way or the other. I am saying that a stronger case could be made for sanctions here than in many other cases (like General Lee's).

agentcom wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

demonfork wrote:Why is this pending?

...Because they're discussing it?

-Sully

Could this be a tide change in CC? If there's ever been a case that is not farming, but is "gross abuse", it is probably this one. The particular map and setting combinations that allows a 3-turn victory, combined with the active solicitation of unwitting players could definitely be called into question. I'm not saying I come down one way or the other. I am saying that a stronger case could be made for sanctions here than in many other cases (like General Lee's).

No. They put pending on everythinga lot of things. It just means that they are looking at it. KRK is looking, so now Evil Semp or Masli or e84 know that it is already being taken care of.

ISN2 wrote:

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

Only New Recruits, you know, the user's who have a question mark "?" as a rank, are where Farming comes in.

[url="Unwritten Rules"]

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.[/url]

Notice the bold and underlined part. Doesn't say anything about low ranks.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

ISN2 wrote:

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

Only New Recruits, you know, the user's who have a question mark "?" as a rank, are where Farming comes in.

[url="Unwritten Rules"]

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.[/url]

Notice the bold and underlined part. Doesn't say anything about low ranks.

You could continue the sentence above:

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting,** etc.

If what King_Herpes is doing is not against rules, I could do same thing and get +200 points per day and that will make me Conqueror in 2-3 weeks!!!!! Is that really the way this site rules are allowing people to get points and win ratio!!!!?

Not sure whether this is farming, A not inviting question marks, B) looking at turn taken percentages King H is not trying to exploit the lowest turn taken component of site(something which have noticed the "true" farmers love doing).

We might want to remember that playing a skilled opponent 1vs1 even if you lose is often a good way to learn a map/style of play etc. I've learnt maps best by losing on them to a more skilled opponent.

Me thinks that King H is bored and thus playing a lot of 1vs1 games, which to be realistic are a much higher points risk to him, than playing team games. Looking at the rank of some/most of the players King H needs to win about 11 out of 12 games to merely be points neutral. Obviously he is not playing these for the points. Would take many times many games to gain say 200 points if he loses even 1 in 20games. He also isn't deleting games if invites are declined, shows he is not scared of playing higher ranked opponents.

Might I suggest that possibly this is a case of "tall poppy" syndrome. Where others want to cut down the tallest flower in the field as makes them look short in comparison?

FYI I don't have a horse in this race. If anything I should be pulling for King H to get a slap on the wrist as am playing a Clan War against him. Just feel that possibly he is being picked on once again because of his past high profile on site.

Love and kisses all, Uncle Bogan

BoganGod wrote:He also isn't deleting games if invites are declined, shows he is not scared of playing higher ranked opponents.

The games are private. And I don't see how they can punish him for it when Gen.LeeGettinhed has got his score to 4700 doing the same thing without punishment.

sdh wrote:

BoganGod wrote:He also isn't deleting games if invites are declined, shows he is not scared of playing higher ranked opponents.

The games are private. And I don't see how they can punish him for it when Gen.LeeGettinhed has got his score to 4700 doing the same thing without punishment.

This is exactly the point. There is no difference in the KH or GLG case so the outcome will be the same. Mods close this one you know it makes sense.

what i don't like about the farming rule, is that it's basically just for money. the site doesn't care at all about what people think is an abuse. they just don't want "?"players to get ass kicked on their first games so they come back and eventually become premium, at least this is how i interpretate this.
I think they should just create a sort of "noob instructor" status for all of those who want to play low ranks/new recruits and farm their points. the counterpart would be the obligation to teach them stuff, like general lee does.
let's say it's ok to do this, if you systematically teach noobs and make them want to play some more.
I see no diference between playin a "?" or a private, apart from economical reasons for the site.

otherwise, people are welcome to use this method if they think they can get +200 per day. if they care about how other people get their points that much, well then I guess they are concerned about their own points.
as bogan says, just lose 2/15 games and you will see what happens to your score. just curious, as everyone is always saying that they can become conqueror in weeks; why are the top 3 players always the same since monthes?

please random cc player; for scientific cc purposes, can you start doing it, open a thread and update us about your skyrocketing points? we can give you the time you want to become conqueror and prove that what you say is right.

betiko wrote:what i don't like about the farming rule, is that it's basically just for money. the site doesn't care at all about what people think is an abuse. they just don't want "?"players to get ass kicked on their first games so they come back and eventually become premium, at least this is how i interpretate this.
I think they should just create a sort of "noob instructor" status for all of those who want to play low ranks/new recruits and farm their points. the counterpart would be the obligation to teach them stuff, like general lee does.
let's say it's ok to do this, if you systematically teach noobs and make them want to play some more.
I see no diference between playin a "?" or a private, apart from economical reasons for the site.

otherwise, people are welcome to use this method if they think they can get +200 per day. if they care about how other people get their points that much, well then I guess they are concerned about their own points.
as bogan says, just lose 2/15 games and you will see what happens to your score. just curious, as everyone is always saying that they can become conqueror in weeks; why are the top 3 players always the same since monthes?

please random cc player; for scientific cc purposes, can you start doing it, open a thread and update us about your skyrocketing points? we can give you the time you want to become conqueror and prove that what you say is right.

I guess someone already mentioned a good example: Gen.LeeGettinhed, a total of 1533, 81% of win using same dirty method as King_Herpes and has 4700+ points, isn't it enough for you?

Well, it's certainly pathetic, that's for sure. I have no idea how anyone could ever gain any sort of satisfaction from this.

niMic wrote:Well, it's certainly pathetic, that's for sure. I have no idea how anyone could ever gain any sort of satisfaction from this.

And to what you said I can remember this:

Remember: Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple.

ISN2 wrote:

betiko wrote:what i don't like about the farming rule, is that it's basically just for money. the site doesn't care at all about what people think is an abuse. they just don't want "?"players to get ass kicked on their first games so they come back and eventually become premium, at least this is how i interpretate this.
I think they should just create a sort of "noob instructor" status for all of those who want to play low ranks/new recruits and farm their points. the counterpart would be the obligation to teach them stuff, like general lee does.
let's say it's ok to do this, if you systematically teach noobs and make them want to play some more.
I see no diference between playin a "?" or a private, apart from economical reasons for the site.

otherwise, people are welcome to use this method if they think they can get +200 per day. if they care about how other people get their points that much, well then I guess they are concerned about their own points.
as bogan says, just lose 2/15 games and you will see what happens to your score. just curious, as everyone is always saying that they can become conqueror in weeks; why are the top 3 players always the same since monthes?

please random cc player; for scientific cc purposes, can you start doing it, open a thread and update us about your skyrocketing points? we can give you the time you want to become conqueror and prove that what you say is right.

I guess someone already mentioned a good example: Gen.LeeGettinhed, a total of 1533, 81% of win using same dirty method as King_Herpes and has 4700+ points, isn't it enough for you?

i mention GLG as well in the post you are quoting, and you don't get my point. there are always some C&A reports about low ranked farmers, each time with people saying that if it's accepted, well they can just start doing it as well and become conqueror in a short time. I'm just encouraging anyone saying this to step up and prove what it s right. is the point loss in stake worth it?

it's like if you make a bet; you go for the favorite or the underdog.

let's say you play a favorite with a 1.05 odds because it seems impossible he doesn't win. is it worth it? are you going to make a lot of money on it? you need to repeatedly bet the same thing and win each time, and you will lose so easily all your earnings by doing one single mistake.
if you bet for the underdog, with let's say a 7.00 odd you just need to win one 2 out of 7 to make money.

the points system makes you choose whatever method you want, and it takes different type of skills. the path chosen by herpes and GLG is the one of constance and patience. not anyone could make it, that's why I invite people to go for it at tell us how it goes for them.

ISN2 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

ISN2 wrote:

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

Only New Recruits, you know, the user's who have a question mark "?" as a rank, are where Farming comes in.

[url="Unwritten Rules"]

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.[/url]

Notice the bold and underlined part. Doesn't say anything about low ranks.

You could continue the sentence above:

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting,** etc.

If what King_Herpes is doing is not against rules, I could do same thing and get +200 points per day and that will make me Conqueror in 2-3 weeks!!!!! Is that really the way this site rules are allowing people to get points and win ratio!!!!?

You aren't accusing him of "Illegal Point Collecting". You are accusing him of farming. Update your first post to reflect that. And GLG has been cleared COUNTLESS times by the Multi Hunters. You're basically saying that High ranks can't play low ranks.

TheForgivenOne wrote:You aren't accusing him of "Illegal Point Collecting". You are accusing him of farming. Update your first post to reflect that. And GLG has been cleared COUNTLESS times by the Multi Hunters. You're basically saying that High ranks can't play low ranks.

Updated, thanks for the note, I'm not saying high ranked players can't play low rankeds, but in this case the player is creating special games that his win chance against a low ranked player is already at 100% ratio (This is what King_herpes has gotten in last day from this method: 51 from 53(96%) and more than 200 points (Exactly what I said before, 200 points per day)) and is forcing them to play with himself by inviting them and those low ranked player will join without any clue of what is going to happen ...

@betiko: I will talk with you later after the result of this case ...

well looking at the 2 cases mentioned.

generallee
most players in his games come to his praise because he does give them some advice on the maps. and does play different maps and settings.

king herpes.
no advice nobody here defending him from them games. and has picked a map and setting to kill a player before they even have a proper chance on the map.

this case is not farming but could fall under the rule of making the site less entertaining for others. because i am sure his opponants are wondering what the hell happened. and ps this case is pending because the mods look at all the rules and try see if they can match one to the offense. in general lees case they could not match anything. but this case is different to that one.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

ISN2 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

ISN2 wrote:

Evolution299 wrote:Were any of these games when the were actually "?"'s / new recruits? Because if they weren't, it's not farming.

Sorry I can not understand what are you trying to say ...!!!???

Only New Recruits, you know, the user's who have a question mark "?" as a rank, are where Farming comes in.

[url="Unwritten Rules"]

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.[/url]

Notice the bold and underlined part. Doesn't say anything about low ranks.

You could continue the sentence above:

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting,** etc.

If what King_Herpes is doing is not against rules, I could do same thing and get +200 points per day and that will make me Conqueror in 2-3 weeks!!!!! Is that really the way this site rules are allowing people to get points and win ratio!!!!?

You aren't accusing him of "Illegal Point Collecting". You are accusing him of farming. Update your first post to reflect that. And GLG has been cleared COUNTLESS times by the Multi Hunters. You're basically saying that High ranks can't play low ranks.

It won't matter Forgivenone. I tried to change the approach to how to deal with GLG case by not accusing him of Farming but of "gross abuse", and it was swept under the rug , on the same premise of "farming". Even though its not what i accused him of.
But what ever. this case will be cleared as well. If its not, and he does get warned, somebody should re file a complaint on GLG then...But not me. I already tried.

Evolution299 wrote:It won't matter Forgivenone. I tried to change the approach to how to deal with GLG case by not accusing him of Farming but of "gross abuse", and it was swept under the rug , on the same premise of "farming". Even though its not what i accused him of.
But what ever. this case will be cleared as well. If its not, and he does get warned, somebody should re file a complaint on GLG then...But not me. I already tried.

It wasn't swept under the rug. He was not breaking any rules.

eddie2 wrote:well looking at the 2 cases mentioned.

generallee
most players in his games come to his praise because he does give them some advice on the maps. and does play different maps and settings.

king herpes.
no advice nobody here defending him from them games. and has picked a map and setting to kill a player before they even have a proper chance on the map.

this case is not farming but could fall under the rule of making the site less entertaining for others. because i am sure his opponants are wondering what the hell happened. and ps this case is pending because the mods look at all the rules and try see if they can match one to the offense. in general lees case they could not match anything. but this case is different to that one.

Why is this case different? Just because a bunch of low-rankers aren't defending Herpes?

If it isn't against the rules for one person, it shouldn't be against the rules for another, no matter if that person is liked or not.