Jaylou - collusion[closed]es

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:50 pm

Accused:

Jaylou

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Collusion/Throwing game on purpose

Game number(s):

Game 10150292

Comments:

After I reported him for being a multi-account user, he decided to team up with another player, with his main goal to take me out. This happened in a game he joined with one of his multi-accounts btw.

2011-11-26 11:53:58 - jaylou: gg blue iam going help you kill this stupid dumbasss
2011-11-26 11:55:15 - jaylou: what do you want blue
2011-11-26 11:55:24 - jaylou: iam building up and takeing reds dumbass out

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:52 pm

And please no baiting this time. I just want a multi-hunter to look over this report, and give whatever ruling he deems fit. I know my last thread got out of hand, and I apologize for that. But I felt like some people were coming in baiting, when they had no business in the thread.

Thank in advance Mods.

by **Symmetry** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:02 pm

Collusion with who?

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:06 pm

It should say "attempted collusion", which he is offering with Blue.

by **Symmetry** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:10 pm

Master Bush wrote:It should say "attempted collusion", which he is offering with Blue.

You made a good catch on this guy with the other thread, and I think you're right to be angry, but this just looks like diplomacy in chat.

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:14 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Master Bush wrote:It should say "attempted collusion", which he is offering with Blue.

You made a good catch on this guy with the other thread, and I think you're right to be angry, but this just looks like diplomacy in chat.

Diplomacy in round 3, to team up against 1 player with no bonuses and two spoils, seems a little off-putting to me. But again, i'll wait to see what a mod thinks about it. If they rule that all is on the up and up, then thats fine.

by **Evil Semp** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:35 pm

MasterBush it is like Symmetry said it can be considered diplomacy but as of right nothing has happened. Lets give it a chance to play out.

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:52 pm

Evil Semp wrote:MasterBush it is like Symmetry said it can be considered diplomacy but as of right nothing has happened. Lets give it a chance to play out.

fair enough.

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:00 pm

can someone point me to the multi-account rules? i cant find them.

by **Symmetry** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:07 pm

Master Bush wrote:can someone point me to the multi-account rules? i cant find them.

Not sure what you want exactly, but you can look through most of the rules by scrolling up and clicking on rules, and further information can be found in the link to community guidelines within that link.

Rules

Community guidelines

by **IcePack** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:32 pm

FAMO so he can't rejoin after your report? That way he can't chase you down and use regular diplo to eliminate you.

by **Master Bush** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:01 pm

IcePack wrote:FAMO so he can't rejoin after your report? That way he can't chase you down and use regular diplo to eliminate you.

Thats helpful, thanks.

What im looking for sym is where it list the rule against multi-accounts, and the punishment that comes with it.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:06 pm

Where exactly is the line drawn when it comes to collusion anyhow?

-Sully

by **Symmetry** on Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:19 pm

Master Bush wrote:
IcePack wrote:FAMO so he can't rejoin after your report? That way he can't chase you down and use regular diplo to eliminate you.

Thats helpful, thanks.

What im looking for sym is where it list the rule against multi-accounts, and the punishment that comes with it.

The rule against multi accounts is in the first link, and the list of punishments is in the second. I'm not sure how they apply in your case, but that's where they're written, and where the unwritten parts are outlined.

by **Master Bush** on Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:42 pm

there have been 6 threads in the cheating & abuse forum on jaylou, including this one:

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=157523&p=3460669&hilit=Jaylou#p3460669

I mean, really? Why is this guy's account allowed to stay active, after making 6 different multi-accounts. premium or not, this dude needs to be gone from CC.com.

by **Evil Semp** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:23 am

Master Bush wrote:there have been 6 threads in the cheating & abuse forum on jaylou, including this one:

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=157523&p=3460669&hilit=Jaylou#p3460669

I mean, really? Why is this guy's account allowed to stay active, after making 6 different multi-accounts. premium or not, this dude needs to be gone from CC.com.

Does it matter how many of those threads he was cleared in? How about the one where he didn't break a rule by giving away troop counts in a fog game? As far as this thread goes I haven't seen any collusion yet.

So please give it a rest sir.

by **KraphtOne** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:34 am

here's the "rule" (and i use that bullshit term loosely)
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

this place has become a joke...

should be some sort of a ban, a week a month, something... against players that get busted for cheating...

these idiots do not care that they get busted, and honestly why would they...

have some integrity assholes... moderate your fucking site...

"the wicked flee when none pursueth..."

by **Master Bush** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:18 am

it seems like if you have paid the site the premium money, it buys you the right to cheat and stick around. the reason is, they know you already paid the $25 once, so we'll let you stick around, and after a period of time, we'll take your money again, so you can have your premium privileges back. This guy has now had 2 threads lead to first a "warning", and now a "busted" on having 7 SEVEN multi-accounts but he's still PLAYING..... IN GAMES HE JOINED WITH HIS MULTI-ACCOUNTS lol.

the truth is, I have had a premium account, and have been thinking about getting it again, but after this crap, i'm probably gonna pass, which means this site doesn't give a shit about me, because i'm not giving them my money.

by **Master Bush** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:24 am

and btw, in case you're wondering why they won't reset a caught cheaters score to 1000, the reason is simple. once they are free to re-pay the $25 to get premium again, the owners of this site want them to have a reason to re-up for premium. If they reset their score back to 1000, then all their hard work (and by "hard work" I mean cheating) of getting their score high will be gone, and they wouldnt have the desire to play premium again.

by **Master Bush** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:25 am

for the record, this is just my take on things from the outside looking in. i could be way off base.

by **SirSebstar** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:20 am

@krapone throwing games is not the same as taking someone out. throwing games is the act of intentionally loosing a game with no ulterior motive but loosing, e.g. in a 2 player game only attacking neutrals, and or starting your turn but not placing troops consistently. If i were to take you out in a game of mine and it would end up loosing the game, it might just be worth it. However going into a game with such a mindset would then be possibly an SD or the catch all, being annoying, but that is something a FOE list can solve.

@bush, yup, triple posting. well done!
Also, read up on when cheaters get banned for life, it does happen you know! However everybody should get some sort of second chance, and payment is usually better then a verbal promise. Not always, which is why a continual cheater will be banned for lie. A score reset would attack the integrity of the scoreboard. lets assume a cheater wins, that means taking points out of the pointpool. Since there is no way to create more points then are lost, this means there would be eternal shrinkage. this is seriously unwanted. My advice, step back, think about what you are about to do. Do not let a game ruin your game. breathe and then proceed to kick the crap out of the guy..
have a nice day!

by **ben.cleuch** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:24 am

Master Bush wrote:for the record, this is just my take on things from the outside looking in. i could be way off base.

I think that most of what you say is valid. The cheats can prosper. May I suggest that you open a thread in the suggestions forum and ask for a change in the punishments for multi accounts. I would support such a change.

by **Agent 86** on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:21 pm

Well Master Bush may think I'm lame...but he is correct in what he says about someone having 7 multi's..come-on mods. This guy should be gone from CC.

So when I go to the opening page..let's see??

Warning: Having multiple accounts is considered cheating. We routinely scan for multiple accounts and offending members will be banned from Conquer Club.
I will only ever use one account..you check this and agree.

So the will should be changed to possibly banned :roll:

If you are Premium we give you a second chance, not sure why as you can play as many games as you like and you don't need other accounts to play more games. I understand that Fremium try to do this so they can play more games usually. Premium member being a multi is just a flat out cheat..ban them for good I say as they should know better.

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