Conquer Club

Accused:

loutil
gavriloprincip
anitam

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: collusion to dump points

Game number(s):

Game 9786787
Game 9782826
Game 9782543
Game 9777259
Game 9775585
Game 9765725
Game 9755490
Game 9751029
and many many more

Comments: Just came across the name in the scoreboard area and saw a win ratio of 87%, had to have a peek at that.

Loutil has played almost exclusively in private games individually against gavriloprincip and anitam, or a 3 player private game with all of them. Just seems rather suspicious if you view all of Loutils games. I believe he has lost once to each in the several hundred games they have played.

Pending!

you might want to add rettan and riech1 to the list for checking. with the 2 mention above loutil has only won ten games that didn't involve the 5 of them alone

Thanks for reporting this Friendly1, as I was going to do it in the past. This is a scummy way to climb the scoreboards. Unrealistic win %

wow some pretty obvious point dumping here

First off, your math is bad as I have lost more than 2 times to them in hundreds of games. Second, both of them work for me and we like to play at work and prefer private games. Third, neither of them is a very good player. Four, they probably do defer to me a bit from time to time as the whole point system is out of whack. Five, I do not play for ranking and medals...rather I play to enjoy the games. Six, my record in large player games is also very good. Did I somehow do something wrong there as well? Here are the last 5 large games I have entered. 2 still going but I am leading: Not sure how to make them interactive but here you go- 9363848, 9339357, 9022384, 9019305, 8977741.
Sorry for stepping on something that holds no value to me . If you all prefer and it makes you happy I will be happy to "lose" games to satisfy your moral outrage...

nebsmith wrote:you might want to add rettan and riech1 to the list for checking. with the 2 mention above loutil has only won ten games that didn't involve the 5 of them alone

Seriously, I have only won 10 games without them in the game? You either are bad at math or a liar or just made the number up.

I would like to make one more point here.
I do not play with any of you. I am not involved in any clans. I do not play in any tournaments. It was only yesterday that I got my first invite to play with a group of players. The point system takes away any incentive for me to play random singles and almost all the higher ranked players do not play except with their own groups and usually in doubles, trip, or quads. Not very inviting for someone like me. I enjoy playing singles or games with 3 so I choose to play with my friends.

The laws of average against you winning that many,with so few lost.

jgordon1111 wrote:The laws of average against you winning that many,with so few lost.

Not sure what the verdict will be, but if he's playing crappy players, it's an easy win. My brother and I play (on here and real life) and he has beaten me once in probably 30 games. Just saying.

It does look pretty bad though.

jgordon1111 wrote:The laws of average against you winning that many,with so few lost.

There is some truth to that statement. I will add that Anitam is a very bad player by his own admission. He never reads the rules as we play random maps and prefers to just follow what I do (he is 53 yrs old for the record). I suspect that almost anyone on this site would beat him 70% of the time maybe more. Gavriloprincip and I have tried to average out our points which I guess is considered wrong on this site? I certainly will refrain from that going forward but you can message him direct and he will validate that I win the VAST majority of the games we play as I am just the better player. I have won every 3 player game we have played except one and NONE of them involved any point balancing. Maybe it is luck. Maybe they are not very good. But those games are legitimate. I should add that I am 47 and NOT a child. I have NO reason to cheat and do not even follow the scoreboard. This is a GAME. This is NOT life or death. I am stunned that people even care how I choose to play as it has NO effect on anyone else.

Thanks for your info loutil.

loutil & gavriloprincip & anitam are cleared of beeing multi's with eachother.
anitam might be 53 yrs old, but he still doesn't understand the rules!
anitam is busted with rettan
reich1 cleared

What I can see in all the games and logs is that all games are played the way they should be. I will keep an eye on this so I will mark the collusion to dump points as noted.

I must say, I'm currently in a game with loutil... he's a tenacious and very analytical player... I can easily see him winning 80% against a couple players who aren't very careful.

I also checked out the game chat in one of the games listed in the original complaint, and it sure sounded to me like real people talking, and not someone pretending with himself.

loutil wrote:Four, they probably do defer to me a bit from time to time as the whole point system is out of whack.

I'd like to see some action taken against loutil since he conveniently posted an admission of guilt.

Dibbun wrote:

loutil wrote:Four, they probably do defer to me a bit from time to time as the whole point system is out of whack.

I'd like to see some action taken against loutil since he conveniently posted an admission of guilt.

I don't actually see this as an admission of guilt.. he said probably, he didn't say they did for sure or that he either made or asked them to defer to him

I dont care about his points. His win percentage holds no weight at this point. NOW, all he has to do is go out into the real world of this game and wont lose his percent. That is my point.

D00MandD3A7H wrote:I dont care about his points. His win percentage holds no weight at this point. NOW, all he has to do is go out into the real world of this game and wont lose his percent. That is my point.

I disagree with this. If he plays others on the site, his percentage will not stay where it's at.

chapcrap wrote:

D00MandD3A7H wrote:I dont care about his points. His win percentage holds no weight at this point. NOW, all he has to do is go out into the real world of this game and wont lose his percent. That is my point.

I disagree with this. If he plays others on the site, his percentage will not stay where it's at.

I think he meant to say he will lose it.

That win percentage means SOOOOOO much to me. Some of you act as if it somehow matters to me. I can assure you it does not. I am a bit to old (47) to put value in a meaningless statistic in a game.

loutil wrote:That win percentage means SOOOOOO much to me. Some of you act as if it somehow matters to me. I can assure you it does not. I am a bit to old (47) to put value in a meaningless statistic in a game.

Then why did you comment that your friends probably defer to you (lay down and let you win) because you think the point system is out of whack?

TeeGee wrote:

Dibbun wrote:

loutil wrote:Four, they probably do defer to me a bit from time to time as the whole point system is out of whack.

I'd like to see some action taken against loutil since he conveniently posted an admission of guilt.

I don't actually see this as an admission of guilt.. he said probably, he didn't say they did for sure or that he either made or asked them to defer to him

v This sure looks likes an admission of point manipulation and should specifically be ruled upon.... v

loutil wrote:Gavriloprincip and I have tried to average out our points which I guess is considered wrong on this site?

Dibbun wrote:

loutil wrote:That win percentage means SOOOOOO much to me. Some of you act as if it somehow matters to me. I can assure you it does not. I am a bit to old (47) to put value in a meaningless statistic in a game.

Then why did you comment that your friends probably defer to you (lay down and let you win) because you think the point system is out of whack?

Because it was my opinion. What exactly does that have to do with my comment that my win percentage means nothing to me?

[quote="Masli"

What I can see in all the games and logs is that all games are played the way they should be. I will keep an eye on this so I will mark the collusion to dump points as noted.[/quote]

Ladies and gentlemen read the post that Masli made. The part in red seems to have been overlooked.

poasting in a lulz-worthy thread

apparently Internet risk is serious business

GavriloPrincip & Loutil. Welcome to Tier 1 CC. We doan play! You bes' represent, yo! Blaa blaa blaa (in ebonics)

I appreciate Loutil's honorable (and humorous) defense of himself and as he has been cleared, I would like to play with him and his minions.

Can someone explain the deets of this:

"anitam might be 53 yrs old, but he still doesn't understand the rules!
anitam is busted with rettan"

Busted for wot rules? My clan is considering old man loutil (I'm 37 so I'm old too) and, like Owebama, who one consorts with is relevant to my opinion of a sucka.