Conquer Club

Accused:

NukesofHazard

The accused are suspected of:
Other: Wall and in game abuse



Game number(s):

Game 8996635

Comments: sorry to open a post again, but after nukesofhazard was warned, he posted on my wall against just to be rude and call me a moron, in-game he has also been extremely abusive with word, i understand the game of risk and there is always going to be not so nice chatting, but this guy really has gone to far, it almost feels like harassment with him posting on my wall AGAIN, anyways apologizes for opening a post against him again, especially since i usually never report people, but I'm just fed up with this players actions

He was warned for secret diplomacy, here is the thread: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=148176

That language/action on your wall is not an offensive in itself (foe and move on) and I don't think that the SD warning carries over to him posting/PMing you unless it was very abusive (much more abusive than in the screen)

its not just the wall post, if you go to the game you will see him rambling more abusive chat, and yeah i saw that he was warned for that already this is why i apologized for opening an other thread against him, but this guy in almost everyone of his games, does the same thing, calling people retarded and such over and over, usually i dont get offended but someone this angry really shouldnt be on the site...

I read the whole game chat (a decent read) and it doesn't look like anything in there is against the rules.. usually chat is kind of a free-for-all except for racist and anti-gay terms. I mean you called him a "cunt" and I would think that would be more offensive than being called a retard but meh.. mods will make the decision.

ive been warned for using the word "fag" because it is bigotry to the gay community.... this was in game chat, my son is slightly challenged, so mental problems do run in my family, this is why i was offended and fed up with his actions, and again he does this in almost EVERY single one of his games

I feel for you when it comes to your son, and I try specifically avoid saying "retard" in CC and RL in order to avoid any kind of perception that I am somehow disparaging those who may have mental/learning challenges.

From the guidelines, found here: viewtopic.php?p=1759436#p1759436

Bigotry Specifics

Bigotry includes racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia/sexual orientation bashing, religion bashing, lack of religion bashing, or wishing violence on any group of people, etc.
Bigotry takes into account historic events, emotional baggage and generally accepted associations with a term, phrase or intent - posting "White Power" in a topic has a history and is bigoted, posting "Green Power" makes you an environmentalist.

Dibbun wrote:That language/action on your wall is not an offensive in itself (foe and move on) and I don't think that the SD warning carries over to him posting/PMing you unless it was very abusive (much more abusive than in the screen)

Sorry, but this is wrong. Serbia received a ban for using the word "moron" and if CC wants to remain consistent, this needs to be punished as well since it's on the wall and not in game chat.

If they decide not to punish NukesofHazard for the use of "moron", then they also need to take Serbia down a notch in the escalating scale and notify him about a change in his official record.

Serbia received a ban because he violated the rules of that particular thread.

Vincent M wrote:RULES OF THE THREAD

In order to post on this thread, all you have to do is follow these simple guidelines.

First, no bigotry of any kind. That means no racist jokes, no racist comments, no homophobia of any kind (this doesn't however mean that you cannot express your views on homosexuality, ie "I disagree morally with homosexuality", but, you may not go around using insulting terms, such as "fag" or "fairy").

Second, this is NOT a Flame Thread. If you wish to make fun of us, take it to Flame Wars.

Serbia wrote:

colton24 wrote:

diddle wrote:Good to hear. Are post counts counted in this forum?

Unfortunatly

You're a moron, uneducated, childish, and a waste of my time.

His statement qualifies as flaming in my book, especially since it was completely unprovoked.

The standards are much more lax in game chat than on the forums, especially in a thread with a specific extra restriction on flaming.

Dibbun wrote:I mean you called him a "cunt" and I would think that would be more offensive than being called a retard.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts. Your offended by "retarded" I'm sure there are plenty of women who would be sensitive to your use of the word "cunt".

If you want others to be considerate, at least hold yourself to the same standard.

IcePack

Dibbun wrote:His statement qualifies as flaming in my book, especially since it was completely unprovoked.

The standards are much more lax in game chat than on the forums, especially in a thread with a specific extra restriction on flaming.

You lost me right here for a variety of reasons.

1. The usage of "moron" in this report that I am referring to is not in game chat. In fact, I'd argue that doing this on someone's wall is worse than doing it in game chat and the forums due to the fact it is reaching stalker levels. You have to go out of your way to flame someone on their wall.

2. This was just as "un"provoked as Serbia-Colton's situation. Meaning, there was outside circumstances in both situations that caused the "flame". (The debate on whether "moron" is actually a "flame" is for another thread)

3. There are forum rules, not specific thread rules. If I make a thread and say "no one with an 'S' in there name can post in this thread" does not mean that the forum moderators are going to ban those that post. Serbia was specifically banned for the use of "moron" and it said so in the message he received. He was not banned for any other reason. This is no different.

Bone: Forum use of "moron" vs wall use is a different issue. P.S. Serbia/colton issue was way more in depth then just moron baiting/flaming + 1 wall post does not equate to stalking either.

OP - you have foe feature and wall delete feature. Use them.

jefjef wrote:Bone: Forum use of "moron" vs wall use is a different issue. P.S. Serbia/colton issue was way more in depth then just moron baiting/flaming + 1 wall post does not equate to stalking either.

OP - you have foe feature and wall delete feature. Use them.

Care to explain the "way more in depth" part to me then? Cause I'd love to hear it, especially from someone on the inside, like you.





Oh wait.

jefjef wrote:baiting/flaming + 1 wall post does not equate to stalking either.

Harassing someone who recently opened a C&A report against you that resulted in punishment by baiting and flaming on their wall seems like the perfect definition of stalking.

Also, if you bother to read the OP you'd realize that there have been multiple wall posts.

wall posts pm's and forum posts come under the same catergory. all i have read in the rules is that the site is relaxed in game chat. giving a player abuse that has been punished for in forums also need to be punished for wall posts.


but what really takes the biscuit in my opinion is.

if you call a gay person the f word . then why should you be aloud to call someone a fucking retard. this saying is abusive towards mentally handicapped people so does fall into the bigotry guidelines that is against the rules.

Bones2484 wrote:

jefjef wrote:baiting/flaming + 1 wall post does not equate to stalking either.

Harassing someone who recently opened a C&A report against you that resulted in punishment by baiting and flaming on their wall seems like the perfect definition of stalking.

Also, if you bother to read the OP you'd realize that there have been multiple wall posts.

Well if you had bothered to research the evidence you would have seen only 1 wall post. Could have been more more but without proof, well, you know, it would be like you claiming that I was repeatedly walling you to get bent and you just having an empty wall as evidence. Maybe we should just put take everyone's word for what they are complaining about and not worry about proof.

The wall post is a noted situation at the most. Nothing more. Maybe the PM is severe enough to be warnable.

You all have a nice day.

eddie2 wrote:wall posts pm's and forum posts come under the same catergory. all i have read in the rules is that the site is relaxed in game chat. giving a player abuse that has been punished for in forums also need to be punished for wall posts.


but what really takes the biscuit in my opinion is.

if you call a gay person the f word . then why should you be aloud to call someone a fucking retard. this saying is abusive towards mentally handicapped people so does fall into the bigotry guidelines that is against the rules.

I have red hair and I seriously, honestly will not tolerate being called a "ginger" in real life.. if someone says it they get one warning, after that I consider it to be disrespect that needs to be corrected.

However, am I going to cry to the mods and tell them that the "g-word" should be banned on CC? No, because I am probably one of the very, very few who finds it offensive. Many people (including me, a straight white male) find the n-word and the f-word to be offensive, and I support that those words are not tolerated.

I don't think that "retard" falls into the category of having widespread offense specifically because when it's used it's not being used pejoratively against the group - if I call you the n-word, not only am I disrespecting you, but I am implying that blacks are inferior. If I call you the f-word, not only am I disrespecting you, but I am implying that gays are inferior. If I call you a retard, just how the connotation works, I am not, in my perception, making any kind of insult against the mentally challenged, it's just a rather mild (to me) insult against you.

na if you use the n word (how do you know i am/am not black ??
if you use the f word how do you now i am/am not gay.
so same should go for retard it was a word that was banned by states and office workers to use because it was classed in the same lines as above.

eddie2 wrote:na if you use the n word (how do you know i am/am not black ??
if you use the f word how do you now i am/am not gay.
so same should go for retard it was a word that was banned by states and office workers to use because it was classed in the same lines as above.

Neither the f word nor the n word apply to me yet I find them offensive. Also, there's probably quite a few gays, blacks, and gay blacks on the site who would find it directly insulting.

The r world doesn't apply and I don't find it offensive. There are unlikely (I believe) to be very many, if any, mentally challenged people on this site.

But it doesn't matter what I think, otherwise "ginger" would be banned. It's a community consensus, and the rules I posted on the 1st page say nothing about not being allowed to say the r word, so if you want the rule changed then lobby for it, but imo it would be inappropriate to warn/ban someone for using it when it appears to be currently legal.

Dibbun wrote:

eddie2 wrote:na if you use the n word (how do you know i am/am not black ??
if you use the f word how do you now i am/am not gay.
so same should go for retard it was a word that was banned by states and office workers to use because it was classed in the same lines as above.

Neither the f word nor the n word apply to me yet I find them offensive. Also, there's probably quite a few gays, blacks, and gay blacks on the site who would find it directly insulting.

The r world doesn't apply and I don't find it offensive. There are unlikely (I believe) to be very many, if any, mentally challenged people on this site.

But it doesn't matter what I think, otherwise "ginger" would be banned. It's a community consensus, and the rules I posted on the 1st page say nothing about not being allowed to say the r word, so if you want the rule changed then lobby for it, but imo it would be inappropriate to warn/ban someone for using it when it appears to be currently legal.

lol think what you want but first i think you should read this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/14/AR2010021402893.html

or this

http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2010/02/15/shriver-retard-bigotry-28075/

or even this

http://therword.org/2008/12/01/commentary-the-word-retarded-is-hurtful-and-needs-to-be-cut-from-our-vocabulary/

if you want i can post loads more.

"Moron" is more of an insult than a bigoted word. Put him on your foe list so you won't be bothered reading his game chats and also prevent him from posting at your wall. That is what the foe list is for. Sometimes, it is too late for us to put a player on our foe list after we let ourselves be baited or get into a senseless exchange of communication with the other guy that we report them for offending us. What do you expect from two people flaming each other? One way or the other, someone is going to get offended.

You have control over your wall. Feel free to delete any posts that you want removed. Otherwise, why have that feature.

Please put him on your foe list. I am afraid there are lots of players out there who can also be as offending when they see people not playing according to their standards. If he is indeed a consistent offending player, we'll see how far he can go with his trash talk.

king a are these comments going to be dealt with or do you want another report opened.

2011-06-27 22:23:17 - NukesofHazard: lmao, didnt realize we were playing a retard.

2011-06-28 16:57:14 - NukesofHazard: lol, you are just too fucking stupid. 36% lol, 1 on 1 games retard.

2011-06-28 16:58:22 - NukesofHazard: lmao, ok retard.

2011-06-28 16:59:02 - NukesofHazard: keep making stuff up retard

2011-06-28 17:02:51 - greyghoast71: your retarded, you tryed telling me to deploy and attack blue, and said youd give asia back unless i fucked up lol, your actually a joke

maybe the moron comment isnt worth much but the above comments are worth a warning.

eddie2 wrote:if you call a gay person the f word . then why should you be aloud to call someone a fucking retard. this saying is abusive towards mentally handicapped people so does fall into the bigotry guidelines that is against the rules.

Sorry I know this is a closed forum and totally off topic but I had to respond to this post as it made me laugh so much, I love the P.C. "Politically Correct" debate so if there is a thread in some other forum on this please let us know.

"if u call a gay person the f word?????"
how do u know that they are gay to begin with? should everyone identify their sexual orientation? maybe just below hobbies and interests.....

Maybe everyone should identify their colour, sexual orient, race, religious beliefs and mental capacity so we all know what we can or cant say when leaving comments. then we can all avoid these pitfalls but if the mods here where to introduce all this extra info about people would it be then all right for two black users to use the N word? or two gay guys use the f word?
I mean what is P.C ?
I often leave comments about my disapproval of the dice or CC, usually along the lines of "these dice suck Balls" or "dice just bent me over and shafted me"......is this offensive to gay people? is gay offensive to (trying to think of P.C word for gays) people? about 50 years ago it was and 50 years b4 that it just meant been happy , now anything can be gay..."these dice are gay"
A word only has as much power as people give it

Some people on this site like myself like to identify there nationality by including it in there username which can lead to comments such as a game I played against welshbean here Game 8590759

2011-03-14 08:46:31 - IR1SH ACE: this map sucks about as much balls as the country of wales
2011-03-14 09:01:51 - welshbean: stop sulking you whining potatoe muncher

Would u identify this as some sort of "ism" (racism/culturism/nationalism) towards each other or just a bit of banter?????

it seems to me eddie that you are just one of those people that likes to complain about trivial stuff such as watchin a T.V show that has one of those warnings at the start: "this program may contain strong language, Scenes of a sexual nature &/ violence...viewer discretion is advised" then proceed in watchin said show and then been offended by the material shown in the show and ringing up some wacthdog and complaining about the show and feel as if you have done something to help better humanity for everyone's benefit when in fact you should have just changed the channel to something more to ur preference and let other people watch what they want.....

in ur comment u make a comparison between callin a gay person the f word and calling someone a fucking retard been the same thing and it been offensive to mental "handicapped" people, So I am assuming that u have had this phrase throwing at u b4 and that u are not claiming to be mental "handicapped" and there fore offended by this comment on behalf of all mental "handicapped" of the world or are u just lookin for reasons to open up C&A reports when u should just build a feckin bridge..

I have played against some idiots in my time on CC as I am sure everyone has and may or may not have referred to some as retards but I have never come to the conclusion that there is actually mental "handicapped" (in some countries this is frowned upon as a term) people playing on this site.....I might be wrong maybe there is some HSE/NHS (Health Service Ex/National Health Service) or whatever government run program for some sort of rehab that involves playing on-line strategy games.........that would explain some games I have been in

In conclusion their is a big difference between a bit of banter/ribbing and someone been downright abusive and threatening/vile for no reason and the latter of these two should be reported via C&A, where if u are offended by the former then just foe and move on and stop trying to be the moral force for what u believe is P.C