Conquer Club

Accused:

Mr Changsha

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Deliberate and intentional deadbeating and missing turns.

Game number(s):

Game 9072565

Comments: After it became apparent that the BpB would lose this game and ultimately our 41 game challenge also, Mr Changsha decided it was time to quit taking his turns in this game. The interesting thing is that he was online and using the forums during his two 24 hour time slots in which it was his turn. He posted at least four times during his first missed turn, and three more times during his second missed turn.

Intentionally missing turns and deadbeating is clearly against the rules.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

The sad part is, my teammates and I really enjoyed this and the other challenge games until this display of poor sportsmanship tainted them.

Deadbeating is missing three turns in a row and getting kicked from a game. Mr Changsha only missed two turns so he did not deadbeat. Even though it might sportsmanship it is not deadbeating. I suggest you rate him accordingly and move on. This is CLOSED

so evil he is not going to be noted, he missed turns and still was online to post at least seven times? I guess the rules don't apply to everyone then?

artur1 wrote:so evil he is not going to be noted, he missed turns and still was online to post at least seven times? I guess the rules don't apply to everyone then?

Did you bother to read the response?

Evil Semp wrote:Deadbeating is missing three turns in a row and getting kicked from a game.

Like it or not, but this is the precedence that has been set in countless other cases. Unless someone purposely misses three turns in a row, the C&A team will do nothing.

I've tried arguing this with LoVo back in the day, but had no luck.

So things would be different wenn he was not killed on the last turn ?

pascalleke wrote:So things would be different wenn he was not killed on the last turn ?

No one game does not make for intentional deadbeating.

You guys are so funny...intentional deadbeating (of one game I didn't actually deadbeat) must be the silliest accusation of 2011.

When did become against the rules to miss turns?

I love this one...

so evil he is not going to be noted, he missed turns and still was online to post at least seven times? I guess the rules don't apply to everyone then?

It assumes that I somehow have some influence here (heh), that missing turns is against the rules (if it is then about 98% of us should have been noted) and that by posting through the day in any way proves I didn't have a legitimate reason for missing those turns...

You managed to make three ridiculous points one after the other!

Well done!

However, if this thread is simply an excuse to spout about how crappy a player I am (and for your sakes I kind of hope it is) then of course carry on...or at least get on with it. At the moment I'm just seeing a candidate for the 'dumbest thread of the year'.

Finally, after I quite genuinely apologised for these misses...

But I will apologise for the two missed turns. I'm honestly not sure how that happened. I thought it was only one until today when I checked. Amusingly, Fc took a break (so I was covering his) and I believe I managed to chase up spoon to play his (who makes me look conscientious). So it is ironic that the one chap (me) who was trying to keep up with these dead games generates the complaint. Though looking at it another way, leaving me in charge of dead games was probably always likely to have this end result.

I find it a bit rich that you can't accept my apology like gentleman.

Are you not gentlemen?

Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

being a sore loser still aint against the rules

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

One game doesn't count as regular basis I think.

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

And where is this "precedent" you so boldly speak of?

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

Really? What's the definition of "regular basis"?? Bcuz IF that's true (I've never heard or seen that and seen it said many times that missing turns for strategic purposes is ok) then I'll start reporting tonnes of players.
Frankly, I dont see what u said anywhere. please provide a reference if your going to say that I'm "boldly making false statements".

IcePack

jefjef wrote:

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

And where is this "precedent" you so boldly speak of?

b00060 in his city mogul games

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=97871&hilit=b00060

i dont remember exactly but they said that making the other person wait for their turn was gross abuse of the game.

Correct me if I am wrong because I don't play much freestyle or manual deploy. In a manual deploy if you miss the deploy round don't you get to see where your opponent deployed in round two? So wouldn't that give you an unfair advantage on where to deploy your troops?

If you look at the game in question, that was using manual freestyle settings on 1 map, none of which apply to a clan challenge game.

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

by king sam on Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:36 am
he may have missed turns in all those games, but thats not deadbeating.. deadbeating is missing 3 turns consecutively and getting kicked from the game for it..

missing turns for troop deferment or cause you dont want to use your cards is a tactic that some players chose to use.. its not widely grinned upon but its legal and it is used. You can describe this in the rating tags as : Slow, Rude, Coward, Irrational, Reckless, Cheap Tactics or Poor Strategy..

Sorry that is legal and this is still closed, best bet is to foe him and rate him as you see fit.

KS

Evil Semp wrote:Correct me if I am wrong because I don't play much freestyle or manual deploy. In a manual deploy if you miss the deploy round don't you get to see where your opponent deployed in round two? So wouldn't that give you an unfair advantage on where to deploy your troops?

Missed turns on Manual auto deploy your troops evenly over the map. So it basically turns into an "automatic" drop for you. But the thing with City Mogul, is that is apparently well known if you go first in City Mogul, you're going to win.

ljex wrote:

jefjef wrote:

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

And where is this "precedent" you so boldly speak of?

b00060 in his city mogul games

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=97871&hilit=b00060

i dont remember exactly but they said that making the other person wait for their turn was gross abuse of the game.

Totally different issue. The gross abuse in b000060 case was:

"missing turns just so that you can have the first turn? Whether there is an advantage in this or not, the whole setup, from creating manual/freestyle games and deliberately missing the deployment stage is already wrong". (This had to do with a very large number of games.)

jefjef wrote:

ljex wrote:

jefjef wrote:

ljex wrote:

IcePack wrote:Even if u missed on purpose missing turns isn't against the rules.
Everyone has said that missing turns to defer troops is "legitimate" strategy and within the rules. Hell I've seen dozens of people use this (annoying) strategy. But within the rules either way.

In those cases a player can miss turns, play other turns, AND post in forum! All while missing turns.

This report has zero merit.

IcePack

you might want to check some precedent before you boldly make statements are false. While missing a turn occasionally for strategic purposes is not against the rules, doing so on a regular basis is.

And where is this "precedent" you so boldly speak of?

b00060 in his city mogul games

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=97871&hilit=b00060

i dont remember exactly but they said that making the other person wait for their turn was gross abuse of the game.

Totally different issue. The gross abuse in b000060 case was:

"missing turns just so that you can have the first turn? Whether there is an advantage in this or not, the whole setup, from creating manual/freestyle games and deliberately missing the deployment stage is already wrong". (This had to do with a very large number of games.)

That ruling to me says that consistently missing turns is gross abuse of the game. If not, i lost a bunch of oasis games that i shouldn't have...

Whatever your interpretation of the ruling, Changsha missed turns in only 1 game. It wasn't a systematic attempt.

safariguy5 wrote:Whatever your interpretation of the ruling, Changsha missed turns in only 1 game. It wasn't a systematic attempt.

i didnt say that he broke the rules, just that intentionally missing turns on a regular basis is, even if it is for a strategic gain.

If one actually consider that all I did was to miss two turns in a dead match, doesn't it seem rather strange to even suggest it should be punishable, never mind speculate on how close it was to breaking a rule.

I missed two turns.

So what?

The issue here is that this is a clan game, and some members of clans take the game oh so seriously. 'I've dishonoured, them...' Have I f*ck. This is a casual game, I play most of my
turns.... I don't cheat. I just didn't play my turns in these games...

Rate me low, frankly I welcome it...4.5, 4.4, 4.3 4.2...it's not a bad thing to have a good record and a low rating. Frankly I believe it gives one edge. Codeblue is my hero on this (if only I had such face....)..but I'm perfectly happy to descend into the ranks of the degenerate. I'm about half way there as it is...

Foe me too...for missing two turns. Be an arsehole. Live the dream.

Only in the pepped-up, cc-iron man pro world of some here would this even be important,

why dont u just let this die, Mr sore loser eh

ljex wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Whatever your interpretation of the ruling, Changsha missed turns in only 1 game. It wasn't a systematic attempt.

i didnt say that he broke the rules, just that intentionally missing turns on a regular basis is, even if it is for a strategic gain.

Well you'd have to prove intent, and only certain settings (like City Mogul) would that be for strategic gain. Missing turns in most settings are not strategically beneficial.