Conquer Club

Accused:

saturelle
shepherd book
xxxxxxx



The accused are suspected of:

possible multis




Game number(s):

Game 8995892

Comments: Waterloo is a difficult map to play and saturelle seems far too good on it(only completed 2 other games) we are playing freestyle as well which adds to the difficulty.

My guess is that they are multis of a different account, and that whoever it is has multiple multis. Look at the game log - one always takes turns after the other, within an hour with the sole exception of the first turn:

2011-05-12 21:13:51 - Shepherd Book ended the turn
2011-05-12 21:17:17 - Saturelle received 4 troops for 14 regions

2011-05-13 09:35:30 - Saturelle ended the turn
2011-05-13 10:04:00 - Shepherd Book received 3 troops for 10 regions

2011-05-14 08:20:00 - Saturelle ended the turn
2011-05-14 08:55:16 - Shepherd Book received 3 troops for 11 regions

2011-05-15 00:11:42 - Saturelle ended the turn
2011-05-15 00:18:16 - Shepherd Book received 3 troops for 11 regions

2011-05-15 23:24:00 - Shepherd Book ended the turn
2011-05-15 23:25:46 - Saturelle received 4 troops for holding ?

The last turn is particularly interesting. It looks like he logged out of one account with the turn still open, and into the other to play the turn, then back to the first to end the turn.

2011-05-16 12:24:30 - Shepherd Book received 5 troops for 16 regions
2011-05-16 12:24:35 - Shepherd Book deployed 5 troops on ?
2011-05-16 12:24:38 - Shepherd Book assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Chewie1
2011-05-16 12:25:44 - Saturelle received 8 troops for holding ?
2011-05-16 12:25:44 - Saturelle received 4 troops for holding ?
2011-05-16 12:25:44 - Saturelle received 7 troops for 23 regions
2011-05-16 12:26:01 - Saturelle deployed 9 troops on ?
2011-05-16 12:26:43 - Saturelle deployed 5 troops on ?
2011-05-16 12:27:52 - Saturelle deployed 5 troops on ?
2011-05-16 12:28:02 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Barbarossa1
2011-05-16 12:28:19 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Barbarossa1
2011-05-16 12:28:24 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from hobbie89
2011-05-16 12:28:37 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from hobbie89
2011-05-16 12:28:42 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from denominator
2011-05-16 12:29:18 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from denominator
2011-05-16 12:29:23 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Chewie1
2011-05-16 12:29:35 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Chewie1
2011-05-16 12:29:43 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from neutral player
2011-05-16 12:29:45 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Shepherd Book
2011-05-16 12:29:48 - Saturelle assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Shepherd Book
2011-05-16 12:30:27 - Saturelle reinforced ? with 3 troops from ?
2011-05-16 12:30:36 - Saturelle reinforced ? with 2 troops from ?
2011-05-16 12:33:48 - Saturelle reinforced ? with 3 troops from ?
2011-05-16 12:34:32 - Saturelle reinforced ? with 4 troops from ?
2011-05-16 12:34:58 - Saturelle ended the turn
2011-05-16 12:35:27 - Shepherd Book ended the turn

About the rules

15. Can more than one person play from the same computer?

The short answer is yes. Our Multi Hunters are pretty good at distinguishing roommates & family members from people with multiple accounts. However, some members prefer playing only in team games with people from the same computer to avoid accusations of cheating.

Saturelle is my wife. So us playing in a team game is what this site recommends. So its not a mutli account. My wife has one and I have one. And as such its a team game and our whole team knew to focus on one person and get them strong.

2011-05-12 11:57:29 - Shepherd Book [team]: hey cam can you reinforce from MJ1 to MJ2 or just attack out of that spot so Megan can get two Villages next turn as she is close to where im sitting right now but ill just attack out and try to make some space for her. that way she can get a plus 4 bonus
2011-05-12 15:41:44 - TofuD2 [team]: Frick. This map is confusing... I assume Megan is Saturelle?
2011-05-12 16:59:25 - Shepherd Book [team]: Yup she is. She could also get the bottom corner there and the other village at the bottom so i think we should push them back that way so she gets a big bonus cause she can deploy her troops on us if needed.
2011-05-12 17:23:04 - Shepherd Book [team]: so should we just go after one person at a time, or just go for whoever whereever?
2011-05-12 17:26:33 - Barbarossa1 [team]: thats a confusing map....i thought getting 2 villages would get me +4? anyhow, gave a few reinforcements to you guys.
2011-05-12 17:30:38 - Barbarossa1 [team]: maybe lets go for areas for reinforcement for one more turn...then hopefully it'll be clearer to finish someone off?
2011-05-12 22:42:52 - Shepherd Book [team]: sounds good, Shall do what we can.
2011-05-14 18:50:15 - Barbarossa1 [team]: lets kill yellow if we can
2011-05-14 18:51:36 - Barbarossa1 [team]: actually nix that...he seems to be everywhere! haha
2011-05-15 00:07:41 - Saturelle [team]: Lets kill Matt off, or at least remove as many of his territories as possible.
2011-05-15 00:23:06 - Shepherd Book [team]: Alright boys I took blue off most of our side of the map. So we just need to kill Matt off our side then he will be stuck fighting with his own guys.
2011-05-15 00:26:22 - Shepherd Book [team]: David just stock up on your artillary for now, keep yourself alive and kill off who you can, unless you have some awesome plan then let me know.
2011-05-15 08:20:10 - Barbarossa1 [team]: can someone lend me 1 or 2 troops on R07? next turn i wanna take chewie's artillery out
2011-05-15 08:22:01 - Barbarossa1 [team]: actually put them on CO4 if ya can, my artillery against his.
2011-05-15 08:23:02 - Barbarossa1 [team]: nix that, looks like david needs troops!
2011-05-15 22:11:01 - Shepherd Book [team]: we need to kill matt so david can live
2011-05-15 22:18:52 - Shepherd Book [team]: hey cam you dont get any bonus for that lower village so maybe reinforce or attack out of there and let megan take it so she gets more troops
2011-05-15 22:23:28 - Shepherd Book [team]: If you kill matt there then ill go for him up top and maybe we can take him off our side of the map
2011-05-15 23:31:36 - Saturelle [team]: Hey if you can reinforce me or kill people who are close to me off that would be great then I can keep my 20 troops and we can destroy them.
2011-05-16 08:10:28 - Barbarossa1 [team]: k, so i reinforced saturelle's p11 and L06
2011-05-16 08:10:50 - Barbarossa1 [team]: take the village if ya want
2011-05-16 08:11:46 - Barbarossa1 [team]: matt is also nearly dead
2011-05-16 08:15:14 - Shepherd Book [team]: Solid work, as long as green goes for you this turn and doesnt try to kill Megan she can reinforce you up top and we can take matt out and maybe even blue out.
2011-05-16 10:38:36 - denominator: Nikita for denom
2011-05-16 11:18:28 - TofuD2 [team]: Woooo go team!
2011-05-16 12:35:41 - Shepherd Book: For Frodo!
2011-05-16 15:10:37 - Barbarossa1 [team]: i cant believe it....that one man took out 7 troops! arghhh!!!
2011-05-16 15:20:13 - Saturelle [team]: oh man! you were so close to killing red off!
2011-05-16 15:21:00 - Saturelle [team]: well as long as I stay with getting 30 troops next round, I'll give you both some.
2011-05-16 18:46:15 - Barbarossa1 [team]: any troop help on C04 would be awesome! thanks!

So team work is why the newest member to conquer club on our team is the strongest. She had the best positioning possible and we made sure to protect her so she could get her bonus and give us troops when we needed them. And we lost Good men in the process with TofuD2 sacrificing himself for the cause.

So no its not multi accounts its just a husband and wife who like to play strategy games together, and when there is no one to play Risk with this is a great option.

Thanks for your time.

I fail to see how this is a problem

I can vouch that Saturelle and Shepherd Book are two different people; they are married so they live in the same house / use the same comp. Also this was a 4v4 team game, so not sure why working as a team is considered 'cheating' ??

Im with TofuD2 and Hobbie. Shepherdbook and Saturelle are married, and play together on the ONE computer they have. Should Shepherdbook have to go buy a brand new computer just so he can play apart from his wife and not one right after the other? That would be bogus. Its smart tactics to play team games all at the same time anyways. Working as a team on a team game isnt "cheating". And i dont understand why losing in a fair fight has to be followed by so much drama and whining. Its risk..you either win or lose. You cant win them all. This has put such a sour taste in my mouth from playing with "seasoned" risk players on here. You all assume rookies dont know how to play the game. Just because they only have 2 games under their belt as opposed to 1500, doesnt mean theyre going to lose to you. Its just a number. Dont get so cocky, and maybe next time you will take a rookie more seriously, and not lose.

Just to be clear im not whining or being a bad loser, im not a seasoned player who is a point whore who thinks I should always beat the rookies cause ive played a lot of games.

The way that the turns were taken (see game log above) looked suspisious especially from unseasoned players. I have only asked the question, not point blank accused. There is a lot of multi accounts some hiden well some not so well.
If I have got this wrong and the explanation given is true then I will apologise unreservedly to the players involved.

Hey Chewie1 I totally understand where you are coming from, but the reason we played the way we did was that in a doubles game I got totally destroyed and then asked the guy for some advice so I could get better Strategy. And this is what he told me.

doubles freestyle strategy

"Sent: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:59 pm
From: donination
To: Shepherd Book
the real key is joining other ppl's games to get first attack, which is a huge advantage b/c you can knock them down troops.
if you are playing an unlimited reinforcement game then you want someone to end and they reinforce as many guys to the teammate who is still assaulting as possible so he can go around and take a bunch of territories. If you both 11 territories that is worth a lot less than one person has 7 and the other has 15.
and the real key is coordination, if you can go simultaneously, you will always have first go, but you need to be more decisive in what you are doing and just do it, and if you see the other team starting, don't let them end first as we did to you."

As you can see he said if you have unlimited reinforcements like we did in our game it makes good strategy for one person to attack then the other then reinforce the first person so they can keep attacking which is what we did which is why it looked weird that last turn. I just took the advice of a seasoned veteran of team games.

Hopefully this clears up why it looked the way it did. It was just strategy.

Chewie1 wrote:Just to be clear im not whining or being a bad loser, im not a seasoned player who is a point whore who thinks I should always beat the rookies cause ive played a lot of games.

The way that the turns were taken (see game log above) looked suspisious especially from unseasoned players. I have only asked the question, not point blank accused. There is a lot of multi accounts some hiden well some not so well.
If I have got this wrong and the explanation given is true then I will apologise unreservedly to the players involved.

Now that is one of the best responses I have read in a long time!!! Nicely done Chewie.

I agree that these accounts could be husband and wife. saturelle and shepherd book are CLEARED of being multis.

I asked the question and the question was answered.

To shepard book and saturelle,
I offer my deepest apologies for any embarresment or grief I may have caused you by suggesting that you were multis. I hope it hasnt tarnished your experience of cc and you continue to enjoy the game.
Maybe we will meet again on the battlefield(unless you have foed me) if not then happy cc ing

good luck and best wishes
Chewie1