Conquer Club

Accused:

qwert


The accused are suspected of:

Other: Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 8249006
- rated barterer2002 1 stars with explanation: Suicider, Irrational. Obviously can understand bad feelings in a multi player game like this, and would ignore this normally if it wasn't for the overriding pattern.

Game 7612925
- see above for similar with ratings of coreykm

Game 8216095
- rating of shepdog. Seemingly because he didn't win an assassin game, so rated the other member 1 stars.

Game 8124968 & Game 8137033
- rating of fonsken all 1 star and tags: Paranoid, Irrational, Poor Strategy. Lost 2 games in a row to him so decided to rate him this way.

Game 8147687
- rating of Daviedoo... qwert lost so again rated all 1 star.

Game 8138229
- rating of ۩░▒▓₪№™℮₪▓▒░۩... qwert lost so again rated all 1 star.

Game 8122034, Game 8125115 & Game 8127404
- rating of timmy1... qwert lost 3 out of 3 games, all 1 star. Pattern emerging here?

Game 8125398
- rating of malabrosse... lost game, all 1 stars and rating "coward".

Game 8124719
- rating of Maert... lost game, all 1 stars.

Game 8068342 & Game 8367875
- rating of hagardunor... lost 2/2, all 1 stars.

Game 7342748 & Game 7342852
- rating of Kenbutsu... lost 2/2, all 1 stars.

Comments:
Ratings go on like this. Just look at his ratings left page for more evidence! He hasn't left anyone a good rating since June 2009. This is clear abuse of the ratings system; we all know qwert thinks he is the best player on the site and that IF ONLY the dice were "fair", he would be conqueror with 9000 points through his vastly superior 1v1 skill, but it's not his opponents' fault he's the unluckiest player in the history of gaming! Rating them ALL 1 star simply for beating him is just plain mean.

barterer give me one star
spy give me one star- i dont give hem anything
the raven black-give me one star
timmy1-give me one star
fonsken-give me one star all

maert-give me one star all
inonzuk-give me one star
lector-give me all 1
samuelc812-give me one star-i dont give any rating
pander88 uk-give me one star-i dont give any rating
tenman-give me all one star
koesirius-give me one star
glorious-give me one star
gamemaster-give me one star
superkeener-give me one star
highlanderattack-give me one star(even with that we are in ok relations)
endar1077-give me one star
porkenbeans-give me one star( good relations)
eers-give me one star
knighthawk-give me one star
k99-give me one star

tripitaka-one star-i dont give any rating
coreykm-2 star
ooge-2 star
yoyimbo-2 star
pezter-2 star
maineyguy-2 star
rami-2 star
bryan,davis-2 star
shoop-2 star
sportuspider-2 star
juls-2 star
limo-2 star
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so you want to tell me that fonsken,maert,barterer and all here can give me bad rating,and i dont have right to give nobody rating? and some of these player directly insulting me,when i dont use any bad words against hem? I dont give you bad rating,and you give me bad rating, And how many you count bad rating from june 2009?
also many of these player who give me bad rating,i dont give hem nothing.
in a same way,i can give you list of yours rating,and belive me,you have more all 1 star then me. So everybody here can insulting me,and give me bad rating,but im forbiden to give rating?

You really have no idea why you deserve low ratings, do you? Have you read your chat logs??

"by Bones2484 on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:11 pm

You really have no idea why you deserve low ratings, do you? Have you read your chat logs??"
so i deserve low rating,and im forbiden to give low rating? i dont know what its itention of pander88uk, i dont give hem any rating,probably hes get some instruction from other player to open topic,because he dont want to open directly. He give also very bad rating,and only diference its that i dont give good rating. nothing else.

pander88uk -how he rating people:(i hope that i dont miss some,because he give so many bad ratings)
williamprowse-all 1
wilson-all 1
mbarile-also 1
ronalds-all 1
djwar-all 1
simurg-also
darkmatus-also
gambler-1 star
darkomuhi-also 1
heno-also 1
roks-also 1
arty-all 1
reptileus-all 1
mulender-all 1
probes-all 1
reb-1 star
alching-all 1
chevu blue-all 1
elsimondo-all 1
roadhawg-all 1
leolou2-aslo 1
qwert-also 1
kosako-all 1
socraton-all 1
johnh2-also 1
spinbot-all 1
fussbal-all 1
astronaut-all 1
da bradler-also 1
deadhsquad-all 1
aron rogers-all 1
topremix-also 1
sequencher-all 1
duality-also 1
farto-all 1
usofemerica-all 1
ivanbuba-all 1
euanie-all 1
aalmeida-also 1
askme to-all 1
c-rod932-all 1
blackmagic-all 1
tommo-all 1
solidsnake-all 1
2al-all 1
pad282-all 1
vacecooper-also 1
matheusma-all 1
gabatron-all 1
flanny-all 1
general peron-all 1
jose17-also 1
drew06-also 1
ismael-also 1
renedoes-all 1
dr,winerman-also 1
kizer-all 1
umba-also 1
slober-also 1
the,kiling 44-also 1
celeryuk-also 1
grain-all 1
sgt ali-also 1
vingir-all 1
led zepeliner-also 1
caymanmew-all 1
joshl-also 1
bernooch-all 1
bowser-all 1
d3adg-all 1
acegreat-all 1
the baron-all 1
pieterpopken-all 1
mr general-all 1
wakko-all 1
therb-all 1
207 space odysey-all 1
perna-all 1
hug it out-all 1
etropal-all 1
banockles-also 1
robindreuh-all 1
jaythewar-all 1
fiercerisk-all 1
thysteconquerer-all 1
astarr-all 1
erckle-all 1
socergirl-all 1
nygalegos-also 1
ivoricoastninja-all 1
tegan-all 1
rbelgrod-also 1
ichp-all 1
hellsong-all 1
trevort-all 1
ib91-all 1
mnps-all 1
petethefish-also 1
pauleyboy-also 1
lucidis-all 1
hatta-also 1
atila the hun-all 1
saswasted-all 1
constantinus-all 1
ronhugh-all 1
mpballa-all 1
gwas123-all 1
zione-all 1
blakebowling-all 1
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if im for prison,then you are for firing squad,because you have almost 10 time more bad rating then me-and also when im not give any respond,you insulting people- before you start any acusation,first look yourself..

I think the difference here is that I've rated 1280 people. Add to that that most of those 1 star ratings were also given the tag "deadbeat".

Most of YOUR ratings were because you got beaten.

yea right-so give bad rating for deadbeat,its ok?
Any way,we play two games -and i dont give you any rating even not put you on foe,and you give me bad rating
last game what we play are 11-10-2010.(2 game total) Now i dont understand what its your motiv for acusation, i assume that you give some orders from third person for these,because we dont have any contact from these last game. Can you be honest and tell me who give you order,because i dont belive,that one day you decide " well how abouth to acuse qwert". when i dont do to you any bad thing.

You don't see at all why I'd rate you badly after this gamechat?

2010-05-16 13:22:41 - qwert: playing first its big advantage-again i dont have luck
2010-05-16 20:09:24 - Pander88uk: gl!
2010-05-16 21:19:30 - qwert: please, no gl- if i had any luck i will not lost 1000 points
2010-05-16 21:20:48 - qwert: and this first round show me,where these game go-its look that you all ready start geting insane dices,and these will be not good game
2010-05-16 21:21:41 - qwert: pure shit of dices-now im regret to join this shit game-with 5 i kill 2
2010-05-16 21:22:18 - qwert: mine series of bad dices continue,and again opponent will win, with big help of dices
2010-05-16 21:22:46 - qwert: actualy im lost 4 to kill 1
2010-05-16 21:23:52 - qwert: why this shit hepend in last 40 game,i dont understand-people say "dices are random" but im constantly get shit of dices,not any game i can not win in normal way
2010-05-16 21:24:32 - qwert: instead to get equal chance for at least fair game,i get shit
2010-05-16 21:25:47 - qwert: im just want to warning you-like im warn many people-
2010-05-16 21:26:30 - qwert: dont say "GG" when you win these game in easy way,with big help of dices,because these will hepend
2010-05-16 21:28:03 - qwert: in all mine games only one person been a fair man,and tell me that he will in unfair way,with big help of dices,all other people are not admite that
2010-05-16 21:28:25 - qwert: and because that i whas forced to put on foe list
2010-05-16 21:28:39 - qwert: so i hope that you not use these words
2010-05-16 21:39:51 - qwert: like i expected-all luck to one side-very fairly
2010-05-16 21:40:58 - qwert: nadam se da ce sranje od ove igre brzo da se zavrsi
2010-05-16 21:56:20 - qwert: what a luck,
2010-05-16 21:57:50 - qwert: in 3 fucking round,im lost everything and kill nothing, from other side you kill everything,and lost nothing-how can these be fair game?
2010-05-16 21:59:16 - Pander88uk: you like to moan don't you?
2010-05-16 21:59:21 - qwert: well mine fault, im expected these but belive that its time to dice be fair after last 30-40 game-again i whas wrong
2010-05-16 21:59:44 - qwert: moan? what its that
2010-05-16 22:00:14 - Pander88uk: i've played a different tactic from you, if you'll notice, you always deploy on 1 region and hope for decent dice. I spread my deployment to get more chance of taking regions
2010-05-16 22:01:48 - qwert: i play 1000 games-and if i can not kill with 6 ,1 yours army in 3 round,so how can any other tactic help,me
2010-05-16 22:02:39 - Pander88uk: i know you'll hate to hear it but the dice are random. if you dislike the luck element, don't play 1v1s on small maps
2010-05-16 22:02:47 - Pander88uk: almost always decided through good or bad luck
2010-05-16 22:02:50 - qwert: every one round i attack yours 1 and can not kill-from other side you manage to kill everything what you attack,with small loses
2010-05-16 22:03:11 - Pander88uk: try playing more team games where there's a lot more thinking involved
2010-05-16 22:03:29 - qwert: i only hate when people belive that game are good,when will in this way
2010-05-16 22:03:42 - qwert: win
2010-05-16 22:04:29 - qwert: and usualy only this thing hepend when i play against high ranked players-when i play against low ranked,they dont get these luck
2010-05-16 22:04:29 - Pander88uk: this is almost always how the 1v1s go, when is a small-map 1v1 ever decided purely by skill?
2010-05-16 22:05:04 - Pander88uk: does that not lead you to the obvious conclusion that maybe the high rankers are better than the low rankers?
2010-05-16 22:05:15 - Pander88uk: gg
2010-05-16 22:05:19 - qwert: if i get these dices what you get,i will win every game
2010-05-16 22:05:57 - qwert: did you dont see mine warning? good buy
2010-05-16 22:05:59 - Pander88uk: true, that's why they're random. sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad
2010-05-16 22:06:08 - Pander88uk: i saw it quite well thanks
2010-05-16 22:08:15 - qwert: its bad,that people even when i say,that i dont like use of gg word,in this games where dices favorised one side
2010-05-16 22:08:40 - qwert: well you are not first or last
2010-05-16 22:09:44 - Pander88uk: i still believe it's a good game, and I will say as such, out of respect for your skill

well you only prove what i say-i dont say,not one single bad word against you,not give any ratin,not foe you, and you still,not tell me who give you order for these acusation. Its very hard for me to belive,that after 8 month,one day, you jump and remember me,and say "how abouth to acuse qwert, he complain abouth dices,dont tell me any insult word,dont give me any rating,and he dont foe me! " cam on be honest, its these hard to say,name of person in shadow?
and game what these related it been 8 month earlier, i can not remember that after these game we hava any kind of comunication
2010-05-16 15:10:25 - Game has been initialized
2010-05-17 00:05:12 - Pander88uk eliminated qwert from the game
2010-05-17 00:05:12 - Pander88uk won the game
2010-05-17 00:05:12 - qwert lost 10 points
2010-05-17 00:05:12 - Pander88uk gained 10 points

Are you defending yourself by accusing someone else?
How about you explain why you rate so poorly on such a consistent basis Qwert, that might help your case more than what you are currently presenting as defense.

There may be a perfectly logical (Qwertish) reason for your habit, in your mind, that you need to illustrate more clearly.
Or
Maybe not and Pander is right, you are just plain mean.

Co-sign.

its look that i need to exlane all,well i will try.
Barterer2002-well he call me moron,and he give me same rating, itentionaly suicide on me, i dont see nothing bad here

coreykm, well after very long game, he totaly give game to therecanonlybe,and instead to left me one territory for card,he kill mine bonuse with no purpose,ruin completely game,also he put me on foe.

shepdog-assasin game,and he play totaly against rules for assasin games, and when i look hes rating (4.3) im not only one who give hem bad rating for hess pointless play.

fonsken-well he have same oppinion abouth me, i only with mistake join second game because im not realised that when you foe person,you can still join a game.

daviedo-put me on foe, and i put hem on foe- i can not see what write in game chat, and i can not remember reason

- ۩░▒▓₪№™℮₪▓▒░۩- what to say,again game chat are hide-i foe hem, and i dont make mistake when i give hem rating( how can someone have rating 2,5, dont tell me that only i make wrong decision)


timmy1- i dont understand- he dont want rematch in mine map,and give me bad rating, and when i give hem bad rating, then its mine fault?

malabrose-when i realised that he its farmer,playing same map,over and over, and refuse rematch on mine map, he deserve bad rating,also put hem on foe, to not pla ywith hem anymore

maert-fosken frend- i realised these later-he want to teach me statistic, think that im stupid-give me same rating.

for hagardunor and kenbutsu, i whas very anger, and give hem bad rating, hagardunor not give me any rating,and kenbutsu give me all 5- in these two case i made mistake, but all other above deserve rating.

It definately seems like not all those 1 stars were deserved.

"natty_dread on Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:48 pm

Oh, the OP was being serious? Wow.

Boo hoo, someone gave me a low rating. Someone doesn't think I'm great! How will I survive this!

Like it or not, a rating is a subjective opinion, and everyone is free to rate as they like. If someone doesn't like the way you play, or conduct yourself in gamechat, they're free to rate you poorly. If you don't like it, tough.

So the next time you get a bad rating, instead of going on a whiny rant on how the world is unfair and everyone is against you, how about doing some self-reflection... like figuring out the reason why you got a bad rating and then working on improving your own behaviour, so others won't have a reason to give you any more bad ratings in the future?"
Apsolute right, and i suport that- if someone give me bad rating, i will not jumping across forum and complain abouth that- i dont complain,and i will never complain in forum abouth bad rating, everybody can give me all kind of rating,if they want. If im complain abouth dices, why people dont want to accept that, and live me with that? do you want to kick me out of CC, its these your intention?

"by IcePack on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:00 am

It definately seems like not all those 1 stars were deserved."
well i will give these to mods,and they can investigate what its deserved and what not,
hagardunor,and kenbutsu,like i say,its mine mistake, i whas anger, all other can mod investigate and let they give list what its wrong and what its deserved.

qwert wrote:Barterer2002-well he call me moron,and he give me same rating, itentionaly suicide on me, i dont see nothing bad here.

You mean where he took you out in a tournament game that elimination order matters before you could take him out? And don't you also mean to say that you intentionally suicided on him in other games in the same tournament because you were upset you lost in the first game? You even announced your intentional suicide here (not to mention indirectly implying you were only going to attack Bart in another game of the set).

Bart made a smart play based on the rules of the tournament. You, on the other hand, decided to take revenge for a loss and intentionally suicided (even being dumb enough to say you were doing so) in other games.

And I don't see him calling you a "moron" in any of the games. Care to provide proof for your claims? Or are you just a liar, too?

edit: I actually found a game where YOU called HIM a "moron". Not the other way around.

I dont think the problem is with rating people 1's actually. We all do it. The problem is abuse of the ratings system by leaving poor ratings, consistently and/or vindictively.
So where is the line?

im not a liar-when i tell that someone call me a moron, that these is true. also i forget that he call me jackass.these is rating respond
"barterer2002
Jackass thinks that if I take him out before he takes me out its a sucicide. Grow up, stop being a baby and play the game moron."

Like i say, let mode investigate one by one rating(even i show that pander88uk have almost 10 time more bad rating but nobody will investigate these,because he hide this with good ratings), and then to say what rating are wrong and what rating are bad. Some player will give maybe more bad rating for period of 16 month.

I played a game with qwert where he bitched in the game chat. So when I rated him, I gave him 5 stars for fair play and game play (I've since changed the game play to 3 stars, because his 1v1 play isn't worth 5), while giving him a 1 for attitude. He then pm'd me, and essentially threatened to "remember" how I rated him after our next game together, if I kept the ratings for him unchanged. I pm'd him back telling him that ratings blackmail is against the rules. This however is proof of his vindictive use of the rating system.

I have the pm chats saved, if a mod would like me to forward them. Or if you'd prefer, I can post the conversation here (though I'd rather not, and just pass it on to the mods - confidentiality and all).

qwert wrote:its look that i need to exlane all,well i will try.
Barterer2002-well he call me moron,and he give me same rating, itentionaly suicide on me, i dont see nothing bad here

Qwert you're a liar.

We were playing in Game 8249006 Each of us had 2 cards. I had two choices. A. take a card and allow you to eliminate me the next turn or B. Take you out first and hope to survive. I elected to take you out. Hath then eliminated me barely (had a 3v1 that he won to take that last tert)so it didn't work out for me however, you immediately sent me a PM asking for my strategy thoughts.
Here's your original PM

Can you explane to me why you eliminate me-In previous round,i have set,and i have chance to eliminate you,but i know that in these way i will not have another set,and yellow will eliminate me very easy. Now you eliminate me,and you give win to yellow?
If you have strategy what i dont know,then please explane to me how you going to win a game?

and my response said, exactly what I'd said here

My feeling was that you were set up to take me out. You had all your armies on our boarder and the ability to turn in and run right over me. I gambled that Yellow would not be able to get through everything and take me out and that I'd live another turn. He was able to do so although just barely. His dice were good, a bad run in the middle (like what you had complained about) would have had me live to win in the next round. It was a gamble that could have won for me against a certain loss had I left it for you to take me out.

You responded by calling me a liar, questioning my integrity and for some reason believing that because you hadn't attacked me that I shouldn't attack you

i had cards earlier,but i know that if i attack you i will lost,because yellow are going to ,win.
Unfortunatly,i dont belive you, these is intentionaly suicide,and that you stay alive after yellow,or light blue attack,because light blue also have set,and prepare all troops on your border to. I never attack,if i dont have chance for imediatly cash, with these atack, you give win to other. Sorry,but after all game finish i will put you on foe, because these whas not fair play, because you dont achive victory, and you avare of that with mine elimination,you only help to some other win,because yellow had 5 cards and cash of troops who can eliminate you. If yellow dont manage to kill you,then these will do ligh blue.

After that we had 2 other active games where you did nothing except attack my positions. I was left with no choice but to take out any of yours that were in adjacent areas simply to defend myself.
You actually posted such an intention here Game 8248995 declaring your intention to continue with unfair play.

I stand by the statement that you are a moron. I'll add to it by saying that you're a lousy excuse for a human being and a waste of oxygen.

serbia,put everything what you have,and please dont fix messages,removing some words.

Barterer-what to say, you continue with insultings- well you are not going to provoke me to use same words like you .
And like i say-i had 3 cards and i had set- you dont tell a true.

Serbia wrote:

qwert wrote:are you serious-you give me rating?
I dont use rating, only when people give me negative rating,because rating are nothing, but if you think that mine anger against dices(not player) worth 1 star, then i will reconsider what to give you when we play our next game Serbia ( mine country name)

That makes the case for this report pretty damn easy.

qwert wrote:timmy1- i dont understand- he dont want rematch in mine map,and give me bad rating, and when i give hem bad rating, then its mine fault?

I hadn't rated you until our last game, so don't give the excuse that you rate me badly because I rated you badly (3,2,1 stars btw). You were completely rude to me . Incidentally, about a rematch just look at game Game 8127404 chat.

2010-12-12 18:41:03 - qwert: i dont need points,i just want to see how people react,when i ask rematch in fairs conditions
2010-12-12 18:41:23 - qwert: and usualy high ranked players refuse that
2010-12-12 18:41:45 - qwert: i though that you are diferent,but i make big mistake again
2010-12-12 18:41:51 - timmy1: all you've asked me is if i can play pelo w/o fog
2010-12-12 18:42:03 - timmy1: was that a rematch....just name the settings and map
2010-12-12 18:42:11 - qwert: soory for any trouble here
2010-12-12 18:44:13 - timmy1: btw, i set up lots of random maps - i like to play certain maps i think are fun but will play ANYTHING
2010-12-12 18:46:21 - timmy1: gg
2010-12-12 18:46:24 - timmy1: despite the insults

It is a wonder that I didn't foe you.....until now.

yea,right im insulting all people with all kind of bad words, because me Flame war forum are closed. I hope that Mods will investigate one by one rating,and present what its wrong, and what its ok. I still dont know what its your intentions, but for Serbia its very clear, and i think that he give direction to pander88, hes first acusation are dismised, and its look that he its not pleased ,because im drop play in hes tournament. I stop to mention your name, but its look that you,even when i in good maner ,withouth any bad words ,leave your tournament,you continue bad words against me.And you start drag G1 clan member here,because you need more voices against me, i just wonder who will be next?

2011-01-15 19:05:33 - qwert: blue i will attack you and only you,i need revenge for suicide on me in pelo war- you there not have any chance for win,but you decide to suicide
2011-01-15 19:06:10 - qwert: and to kill bouth

bones- where you see that im play suicide against barterer? look on game log,
barterer its upset,because even with these suicide he not manage to defeat me,and now he use all kind of words to insulting me. I dont have any secret diplomacy,and with these announcing,i dont brake any rules in CC, or maybe exist some rules who forbiden to attack one specific player in game? What its next?