Conquer Club

Accused:

Moop



The accused are suspected of:

Other: Intentionally deadbeating



Game number(s):

Game 7850830



Comments: Seems pretty self-explanatory. He missed 3 consecutive turns, while still being active in other games over the same time period. If you look at the game in question, you can see why he did it. His teammate inherited his cards, and (as of when I am writing this) is about to start his turn with 7 cards, and the escalating values are at 60. They were getting their asses handed to them in a game, but now they have a chance to get back into it, and possibly even win, solely due to the fact that Moop has intentionally been booted from the game.

Timminz wrote:His teammate inherited his cards.

Don't forget his territories, too. We had them both at about 25. Adds up quickly on that map.

Cheap coward petty tactic for sure if true. But this one instance will not suffice for a warning...

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&p=2888846#p2888846

At the risk of being added to jjs foe list. Moop does have a reason for missing turns. He had an issue about a week and a half ago and hasent been on since. Several members from our clan have been sitting for him, but clearly they havent reached this game. This being a clan league game, it is very unlikely that he was intentionally missing, as escpecially on this map, missing turns even once can cause a game to be lost. I know that it wasnt intentional, bc I have been sitting for him, If you want proof check his other games, you can see that ive been declaring that he isnt taking turns, and that I am in his absence. Honest mistake, annoying, but will not change the outcome of that game.

Considering the fact that one of the people sitting for him, is the one who inherited the cards, and territories, I don't think the previous comment is all that pertinent.

I took a very quick look through Moop's games before posting this thread, and while he has been missing a lot (all, possibly) of turns over the past day or 2, I easily found numerous examples of him (or a sitter, I guess) taking turns in other games, well-within the time that he could have taken the first 2 missed turns in the game listed in the OP.

jefjef wrote:Cheap coward petty tactic for sure if true. But this one instance will not suffice for a warning...

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&p=2888846#p2888846

I hope that's not the case, since these are two very different examples.

Timminz wrote:Considering the fact that one of the people sitting for him, is the one who inherited the cards, and territories, I don't think the previous comment is all that pertinent.

I took a very quick look through Moop's games before posting this thread, and while he has been missing a lot (all, possibly) of turns over the past day or 2, I easily found numerous examples of him (or a sitter, I guess) taking turns in other games, well-within the time that he could have taken the first 2 missed turns in the game listed in the OP.

I looked though the games as well. Interestingly enough, there have been announcements by sitters starting way back on 11/15. So why has Moop been placed into Clan League games that started this past week?

I'm hoping the sitters just saw Hive and said "screw that"... but really their only chance in that game WAS to deadbeat, so only the Grim Reapers will know if it's more of just a coincidence. The fact that the missed turns were 11/19, 11/23, and 11/27 make me think it was more intentional, though. I've seen sitters miss an occasional turn... but three missed turns over 8 days when other games were clearly played on those days?

Bones2484 wrote:I looked though the games as well. Interestingly enough, there have been announcements by sitters starting way back on 11/15. So why has Moop been placed into Clan League games that started this past week?

That is an excellent question.

You will have to see what greens deploy is to decide that if they were sharing bonus areas it could add up to a massive deploy it is already at 139 so mght get a lot bigger and if it does then that is a defo abuse.

Timminz wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:I looked though the games as well. Interestingly enough, there have been announcements by sitters starting way back on 11/15. So why has Moop been placed into Clan League games that started this past week?

That is an excellent question.

I believe clan league is considered a tournament which makes it ok for a sitter to join it.

As far as this deadbeat complaint. It takes a lot more than one or 2 instances. Even if its a sitter deadbeating/chosing not to take the turn. CC has always been quite clear about it. Just a few instances will not be considered an abuse. In this case it looks to be a strategy and CC supports the use of turn missing and deadbeating as a strategy. It blows chunks that at times people benefit from doing this crap but CC will not punish it unless a large number of games are involved.

jefjef wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:I looked though the games as well. Interestingly enough, there have been announcements by sitters starting way back on 11/15. So why has Moop been placed into Clan League games that started this past week?

That is an excellent question.

I believe clan league is considered a tournament which makes it ok for a sitter to join it.

I'm not too convinced... especially since there are limits on how many games one person can play. Can be an easy way to get around the limits by putting Moop into games that he won't be playing.

But if you're correct, what about the public games? I think I saw at least two that have started in the last two weeks.

Bones2484 wrote:

jefjef wrote:I believe clan league is considered a tournament which makes it ok for a sitter to join it.

I'm not too convinced... especially since there are limits on how many games one person can play. Can be an easy way to get around the limits by putting Moop into games that he won't be playing.

But if you're correct, what about the public games? I think I saw at least two that have started in the last two weeks.

Sitters may NOT join OR create any non tournament games. NONE. The problem will be to prove they were joined/created when sat and by which sitter.

Yes, the clan is supposed to be sitting for moop, and we've been doing a terrible job for him and others this week especially. I know I barely have time for my own turns this week, much less others, and most of our clan is in the same boat. It was not intentional at all.

Public games, you may be right with the D-Day game. He said he would be on sporadically, so he may have joined it himself. Even so, since he wasn't coming back fully, that invite should have been declined. The Nubia game was created a while ago though based on the game number, I think it just took a long time to get the second team in there.

And I gained one +1 region from moop, the only other bonuses I have I took from you last turn (you'll see in a few minutes)

jefjef wrote:CC supports the use of turn missing and deadbeating as a strategy.

WHAT!!!?!??! I understand that CC cannot punish anyone unless a clear trend of abuse is established. But there is no way in hell I believe that CC SUPPORTS the use of missing turns and deadbeating as a strategy. Doing so goes against the spirit of fair play, and I suggest you foe anyone who does this.

Even though it looks like the sitters deliberately missed the turns we can't punish moop for this. I would rate accordingly. moop is CLEARED.

I know a sitter can join games for on going tourneys but I am not sure about clan challenge or league games. I will get clarification and follow up here. I will also check this out for account sitting abuse and see if the sitters joined any public games.