Conquer Club

Accused:

sevensociety
ponzi




The accused are suspected of:


Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):
All three player games. One of them wins every single one.
Game 6447031
Game 6609868
Game 6718291
Game 6744830
Game 6821682
Game 6832815
Game 6886819
Game 6893155
Game 6894455
Game 7619856
Game 7655012
Game 7925211
Game 7926301
Game 7934756




Comments:
One of them has won every single three player game theyve ever played...and most have accusations in them of one throwing the game. It was obvious on turn one what was going to happen in mine. The other turns only confirmed it. Ive played doubles teams not as coordinated.

this AA guy suicided on sevensociety, which pissed him off and he suicided back

they both handed me the win what can i say

not my fault i win a lot of 3 player games i don't even like sevensociety lol

ponzi wrote:this AA guy suicided on sevensociety, which pissed him off and he suicided back

they both handed me the win what can i say

not my fault i win a lot of 3 player games i don't even like sevensociety lol

Defense fail!

Blocked, locked, and closed.

The irony is that Ponzi is the name of a famous scam.

I don't think accusations like this are funny and i take them seriously. I have no need of secret diplomacy. I enjoy 3 player games and know how to play them. I will follow up on this to see what happens to members like AA, that accuse out of vindictiveness and spite. A member should not be allowed to slander and accuse another member and get away with it.

A quick look at SevenSociety's games shows he plays a lot of 3-player FS games on classic, by the looks of it with random people, whoever will join. I can't see any ongoing abuse.
If he and the second accused are in league they are doing an exceptionally fine job of making it looking random, and are being quiet disciplined about only creating one game here and there to utilize secret diplo. Seems unlikely in my humble opinion. Though I'm sure then men in orange will look into it more thoroughly than I did.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Arama86n. I play 3 player FS Classic almost exclusively and will play anyone who will join. I have played thousands of games and earned my rank honestly. Why I would risk a secret diplomacy when i win most 3 player Classic games in the first place regardless of the other 2 players. A look at my games with almost any player who knows how to play FS Classic 3 player (ex. Tdans, Murphy16) will show that either I or that player will win almost all the time if the 3rd player is not familiar with the gameplay. I will leave this to the "men in orange" to clear me but I stress again that I am not satisfied with just being cleared. I want irresponsible members who throw out accusations like this punished. If there is no punishment for vindictive accusations like this a precedence will be set essentially saying its "ok" to slander and accuse at will with no consequense.

ponzi wrote:this AA guy suicided on sevensociety, which pissed him off and he suicided back

they both handed me the win what can i say

not my fault i win a lot of 3 player games i don't even like sevensociety lol

Actually, I made the only move I could make which was to run away from both of your immense stacks, and I completely left his stack of 37 armies intact and hid in a corner. He, then instead of hitting the strongest player, suicided into me giving you the game in one turn.

Had he taken his stack of 37 and smashed you with everything, leaving myself with my 10 stack and a possible bonus, my turn would have been my saving move, instead, as in all of your games, he chose to exterminate the third player.

Now I admit, I already suspected he would suicide into me if I attacked him, but since you were both aimed at me anyways, I simply made the last move I could and if I was in a game with two players that played fairly and didnt cheat, was actually a good move and my only one arguably.

SevenSociety wrote:I don't think accusations like this are funny and i take them seriously. I have no need of secret diplomacy. I enjoy 3 player games and know how to play them. I will follow up on this to see what happens to members like AA, that accuse out of vindictiveness and spite. A member should not be allowed to slander and accuse another member and get away with it.

I take cheating seriously too. There is no slander of any kind. You or him have won every single three player you have ever played. This is simply a fact. I made the accusation well before the game was over when it was clear on turn one what was going to happen. I further only am posting my suspicion that a record like that, with two people executing the third in every single game they every played together is probable secret alliance, especially when I saw it happening on turn one in our game.

In fact, most cases are actually must less suspicious and obvious than this one with a percentage of the examples given.
In the end, I simply have nothing further to add. I saw you throw the game in our game. I see one of you always wins in every game together. I posted I fully believe its intentional cheating. Its really that simple and the exact purpose of the cheating and accusation forum.

I Personally hope you get blocked from each other, so others can join and get a possibly fair game, but its out of my hands. My responsibility was to report some extremely suspicious behavior, so I did. I even gave you the opportunity to prove me wrong in our game, and you instead decided to suicide and confirm it, not unexpectedly of course.

There is validity to this complaint. Doesn't hurt to have it looked at...

Wouldn't hurt to have SevenSociety ratings looked at either. Looking kinda of abusive/vindictive...

ponzi ratings appear even more abusive...

SevenSociety wrote:Thanks for the vote of confidence Arama86n. I play 3 player FS Classic almost exclusively and will play anyone who will join. I have played thousands of games and earned my rank honestly. Why I would risk a secret diplomacy when i win most 3 player Classic games in the first place regardless of the other 2 players. A look at my games with almost any player who knows how to play FS Classic 3 player (ex. Tdans, Murphy16) will show that either I or that player will win almost all the time if the 3rd player is not familiar with the gameplay. I will leave this to the "men in orange" to clear me but I stress again that I am not satisfied with just being cleared. I want irresponsible members who throw out accusations like this punished. If there is no punishment for vindictive accusations like this a precedence will be set essentially saying its "ok" to slander and accuse at will with no consequense.

Again, where is the slander? There is no part of my post that is a lie of any kind. A simple game search can confirm that. One of you always wins. Either its because you both play so as to favor one of you winning, or you are playing fairly and it is a coincidence. I simply am posting why I think it is not at all coincidence, and a result of a conscious decision between you too, that gives a third player a 0% chance of winning in a game with both of you.

The thread is also meant to warn future players, that they probably should not expect a fair game by joining with both of you in it. Realistically and statistically, they do not have a 33% chance....in fact, it seems no matter what any of them do, they have a 0% chance. Some people simply prefer to avoid such games and some are willing to take time out of their day to help them do just that.

Your opportunity to prove you wrong meant handing you the game on a silver platter. In light of your suicide on me and slanderous accusations towards me i decided not to hand you the game. You attack me and wipe out my bonus and leave me with 6 countries and then decide that in order to prove a baseless accusation i need to go ahead and attack the 3rd player is silly. I will see what happens to players like you who slander out of spite and vindictiveness. If you are not punished for this then it will mean open season on posting an C&A report on any player at any time for whatever reason. This is a dangerous precedent. You used the threat of a report to try to gain an advantage in the game and it failed.

SevenSociety wrote:Your opportunity to prove you wrong meant handing you the game on a silver platter. In light of your suicide on me and slanderous accusations towards me i decided not to hand you the game. You attack me and wipe out my bonus and leave me with 6 countries and then decide that in order to prove a baseless accusation i need to go ahead and attack the 3rd player is silly. I will see what happens to players like you who slander out of spite and vindictiveness. If you are not punished for this then it will mean open season on posting an C&A report on any player at any time for whatever reason. This is a dangerous precedent. You used the threat of a report to try to gain an advantage in the game and it failed.

Again, it is you doing the lying and "slandering". I left you with a stack of 37 that I easily could have suicided if I wanted to let green win. What I did instead was make my only possible move, which was to force you to actually fight green and not me. Instead you suicided with every army you had. Had you aimed your near 40 armies at him, the game was not nearly over. Especially if you did not attack my remaining men. Together we could have kept him at bay easily and made an actual game out of it...but instead, you did what happens in all of your games with him.... the third person was exterminated so one of you won...this time it was him. My turn was a last ditch effort, yours was the suicide. Again, not unexpectedly. As far as handing me the game. Both of you focused on keeping me the smallest player the entire time. There was never the possibility that I was about to get handed the game....especially since you are suggesting I suicided. To say you hit me to make sure I didnt win after I suicided, its as contradictory and the biggest lie yet, not to mention....well, just stupid.

And just one more time...the word slander means posts something untrue or made up. There is nothing ive said that is not fully backed up by the evidence, and the case was so obvious, I had posted it well before the game was over and for all I knew, I was going to win, so there simply was no reason for spite of vindictiveness....only that I saw the beginnings of suspicious behavior and a quick search provided sufficient evidence of it. Our game was immaterial at that point. Had I searched you two and your record, Id have posted the same exact thread, even without ever having played you.

Again, all of these statements are fully backed up with plenty of evidence and time stamps. Its simply what happened, and ive even presented it with nothing more than the facts, and only to protect other players.

I wont debate what is a matter of opinion. "And just one more time...the word slander means posts something untrue or made up." You are accusing me of a secret diplomacy and lying. In YOUR opinion you THINK what YOU did was NOT a suicide. You THINK that by handing you the game i could have cleared my name of your accusation. That is cohersion and is not allowed. You posted the facts in spite and that is also not allowed.

"I had posted it well before the game was over and for all I knew, I was going to win, so there simply was no reason for spite of vindictiveness" You claim that you knew you weren't going to win bc there was a secret diplomacy but then you claim for all you knew you were going to win so it wasn't out of vindictiveness. Well which one is it? or do you just want to twist the facts further. You got caught in a meaningless vindictive accusation and we are going to see how this plays out.

SevenSociety wrote:I wont debate what is a matter of opinion. "And just one more time...the word slander means posts something untrue or made up." You are accusing me of a secret diplomacy and lying. In YOUR opinion you THINK what YOU did was NOT a suicide. You THINK that by handing you the game i could have cleared my name of your accusation. That is cohersion and is not allowed. You posted the facts in spite and that is also not allowed.

"I had posted it well before the game was over and for all I knew, I was going to win, so there simply was no reason for spite of vindictiveness" You claim that you knew you weren't going to win bc there was a secret diplomacy but then you claim for all you knew you were going to win so it wasn't out of vindictiveness. Well which one is it? or do you just want to twist the facts further. You got caught in a meaningless vindictive accusation and we are going to see how this plays out.

Im not caught in any meaningless vindictive accusation in any way. I have posted that one of you wins in every single 3 player game you have ever played. That looks like cheating. I found it because on turn one, I saw the same thing happening in ours. That is to say, I was suspicious before having been suicided into or losing. In fact, I posted in spite of the fact that posting would probably seal my loss. Or in other words, was so convinced you were cheating, didnt even care about the game I was going to lose, and posted it because stopping two cheaters in my opinion was more important than any single game.

That may very well be self-righteous, but it sure the hell isnt vindictive, and we will most certainly see how this plays out. In the past, with players favoring other players in games like this repeatedly and so obviously, they get blocked from playing each other. Otherwise, if enough evidence is not presented, they are cleared.

As far as the game goes, it was not suicide. Suicide is making a turn that insures your death no matter what. What I did was RISKY, but what I deemed my only chance. In fact, it was brilliant and my only possible move, to avoid being executed by forcing you to either lose, or try to win by attacking green whom you were completely ignoring. There was no coercion whatsoever, because I was not asking or suggesting you did anything in that game, ever. I was only informing you that I posted the accusation and that I thought you were cheaters. If anything, it was respectable that I posted the info and didnt do it behind your back, knowing that it might very well mean my death in the game, which as you stated, it did since it was the real reason you attacked me.

But since this accusation is beyond warranted, and tame at least, showing more than enough evidence to support my opinion and the accusation, many of which will believe summarily after looking a those games with you too, thats about the only outcome possible....except im sure you calling me a slanderer again. When you do though, just do me a favor. Quote where I lie or present something not true....just once.

davmoho has also thrown numerous 3 player games to SevenSociety. of the 15 they played, davmoho won zero and SevenSociety won 12. in the game i played with both of them (5657528) davmoho suicided me even though seven was by far the strongest. if u look through their games you'll see that davmoho suicided other players too.

these 2 obviously had secret diplomacy, or davmoho might be a multi of sevens

"these 2 obviously had secret diplomacy, or davmoho might be a multi of sevens"

yes your "evidence" is clear. If any mods are reading or following up on this could you lock down this thread as it is quickly turning into a "lets bash Seven" party by anyone who i might have beaten or is angry at me. Clear this matter and put an end to what is becoming a vendetta with no proof.

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SevenSociety wrote:

it is quickly turning into a "lets bash Seven" party by anyone who i might have beaten or is angry at me. Clear this matter and put an end to what is becoming a vendetta with no proof.

i beat u 2/2 times in 3 player games. and now u accuse me of having a vendetta against u for winning against me?
but babycakes...despite ur teaming cheating ways i still kicked u in the vag!

TWICE

Shit, I thought Fitz was on to some sort of ponzi scheme and I wanted in.

Seven, if you are clean it will be shown, fitz doesn't usually throw around accusations. No need to get your shorts in a bunch....unless you're guilty..

CamelToe wrote:davmoho has also thrown numerous 3 player games to SevenSociety. of the 15 they played, davmoho won zero and SevenSociety won 12. in the game i played with both of them (5657528) davmoho suicided me even though seven was by far the strongest. if u look through their games you'll see that davmoho suicided other players too.

these 2 obviously had secret diplomacy, or davmoho might be a multi of sevens

If those numbers are true, and the games back it up, its actually more suspicious than what I presented. Davmoho would need to be shown suiciding in many of those games however. Further, it may very well just warrant a block between the two players, except if Seven really is in lots of games with others that end this way. Personally Id be surprised if that were the case, but if your info is correct, and the games back it up...it certainly seems possible.

SevenSociety wrote: I am not satisfied with just being cleared. I want irresponsible members who throw out accusations like this punished. If there is no punishment for vindictive accusations like this a precedence will be set essentially saying its "ok" to slander and accuse at will with no consequense.

Suck It up princess...slander...lol

Sue him....

LetGodSortThem wrote:

SevenSociety wrote: I am not satisfied with just being cleared. I want irresponsible members who throw out accusations like this punished. If there is no punishment for vindictive accusations like this a precedence will be set essentially saying its "ok" to slander and accuse at will with no consequense.

Suck It up princess...slander...lol

Sue him....

I love your answer. =D

this is retarded.. THis entire accusation is stupid.. Ponzi is a decent, albeit, retarded player... He has kicked my butt a few times.. And seven is A good player too.. to accuse Seven of cheating is kinda stupid.. In 3 plyr games.. If one player gets mad, well, The player who just sits by and watches wins.. AAfitz screwed up by hitting someone too much for no apparent reason, who cares if you left a stack.. the point is you attacked.. and just a small matter like that is enough to cost you the game.. Therefore, It may be easy to think that Some type of game throwing or secret diplomacy is going on, but to Be honest with you, If me and seven were to be 2 players in a 3 plyr games.. i would have to say that me or him would probably win every time.. it matters on who joins and who gets mad at who.. this accusation was based on anger and stupidity.. AAfitz.. grow up man.. you should know how this stuff works..
I have played 19 3 plyr games with seven.. and me or him have won 18 of them games.. OUr skill level is the reason.. NOt secret Diplomacy.. i dont need that to win a bloody game.. Before you start accusing people man.. Perhaps you should look at the gamestyle, and Mabye think about the strategy that goes into it? 3 plyr games are a crapshoot with strategy and being able to talk in game chat.. and Given your ability to get people angry in the forums.. Id assume you suck at talking guys outa doing stuff in a 3 plyr game.. Suck it up cupcake.. we all lose some.. and not all of us cheat to win..

tdans wrote:this is retarded.. THis entire accusation is stupid.. Ponzi is a decent, albeit, retarded player... He has kicked my butt a few times.. And seven is A good player too.. to accuse Seven of cheating is kinda stupid.. In 3 plyr games.. If one player gets mad, well, The player who just sits by and watches wins.. AAfitz screwed up by hitting someone too much for no apparent reason, who cares if you left a stack.. the point is you attacked.. and just a small matter like that is enough to cost you the game.. Therefore, It may be easy to think that Some type of game throwing or secret diplomacy is going on, but to Be honest with you, If me and seven were to be 2 players in a 3 plyr games.. i would have to say that me or him would probably win every time.. it matters on who joins and who gets mad at who.. this accusation was based on anger and stupidity.. AAfitz.. grow up man.. you should know how this stuff works..
I have played 19 3 plyr games with seven.. and me or him have won 18 of them games.. OUr skill level is the reason.. NOt secret Diplomacy.. i dont need that to win a bloody game.. Before you start accusing people man.. Perhaps you should look at the gamestyle, and Mabye think about the strategy that goes into it? 3 plyr games are a crapshoot with strategy and being able to talk in game chat.. and Given your ability to get people angry in the forums.. Id assume you suck at talking guys outa doing stuff in a 3 plyr game.. Suck it up cupcake.. we all lose some.. and not all of us cheat to win..

Yeah that may be fine and dandy but you are way better than ponzi and you wont win them all which ponzi and seven society have done. Also i looked at the games and some decent players joined those games...it would seem like a big coincidence if all of them lost to either secen society or ponzi.

I was under the opinion that Mods were supposed to be impartial. Prehaps i am wrong about that as well. Not really sure that the above comment contributes to the discussion. If you aren't one of the Mods looking into this why express your opinion. If you are why are you making irresponsible biased comments?

TDANs is dead on in his comments. If you know the stratagy you will win in a 3 player game against someone who doesn't know it. And as for "you wont win them all which ponzi and seven society have done." Tdans said "out of 19 games that we have played me or him has won 18" Id say that's pretty close to ALL. You want to investigate us as well or maybe just maybe is is a coincidence. Ignorant comments dont add to threads so maybe think before you make them.