Conquer Club

Accused:

bigeman01




The accused are suspected of:
Defamation, Game throwing


Game 7415981



Comments: He admits to throwing the game to murphy who clearly is not involved but makes the kill for the gifted win...but then he starts to defame murphy and trys to stir up a problem and conflict by trying to make the players think him and murphy are working together. This is abuse I think of the game by throwing it and of murphys name by accusing him of working together and no one really knows if its true people will wonder about murphy now.

I think something should be done.

did you know that posting for someone who is banned from posting is against the rules? also....i dont think he threw the game, I'm pretty sure he was just trying to piss off thornheart. the assassin games on maps like this and doodle earth are very much a game of luck as anything else.

Wow. Well Thorn was being a dick to the lower ranked guy...no surprise there. Then the lower ranked guy decided to have a bit of fun. Thorn shouldn't have been so mean to the lower ranked guy...the lower ranked guy is premium and just trying some new stuff. Hell, I remember trying feudal, speed, freestyle for the first time. Got my ass handed to me. A few of the other players bitched about how I ruined their game. f*ck 'em. If you want a game without low ranked players, make some friends (hard for some people I know) and set up a private game. Otherwise, shut up and stop being mean to people for no reason.

I think if there is going to be a defamation complaint, it should be made by the person being defamed. Not the proxy (i agree this is not allowed under CC rules) of a person in the game that was not subject to the defamation. Further, even a moron can see that Murph didn't have shit to do with what that lower ranked guy did.

I would warn the poster below, warn Thorn, clear Murph, and warn the lower ranked player that pretending to be a secret alliance is not cool.

It does really ruin assassin games playing with low ranked players who essentially suicide, intentionally or not. I'd rate him 1 on game play for playing like an idiot, 1 on fair play for suicide-ing, and 1 on attitude for pretending to be conducting secret diplomacy. It would be really nice to be able to exclude certain ranks from joining games to prevent this....

1. you guys are being ridicolous.
a.) reports about members ands games are made by players NOT in the specific game all the time.

2. I never said Murphy was in on it...you need to READ the complaint before stating your thoughts.

3. THORNHEART is a dick when people suicide pointlessly...THORNHEART didn't say a word to teal until teal in the first round reduced himself to 1's.

4. I don't believe reducing yourself to 1's is "learning the game its just being stupid and a dick.

5. He was quite happy and content throwing the game a true learner would have tried to appologize to the OTHERS atleast for wasting a game and being stupid.

6. Instead he revels in his ruination of the game.

7. He accuses Murphy of secret diplomacy.

8. He admits to secret diplomacy.

9. No one posting in this thread needs to be warned as NO posting rules were violated. ANYONE is allowed to make a report on ANYTHING suspicious.

10. Thorn DOESNT need to be warned because he is allowed to call names in chat and let others know about what he thinks is suspisious behaviour.

11. Murphy DOESNTneed to be cleared because he was never accused

12. bigeman01 SHOULD be warned for game throwing and pretending atleast to be involved in secret diplomacy and for defamation.

13. chemefreak DOESNT need to be posting stupid stupid in my thread NOR handing down rulings like some mod. thnx

Wow I was wondering if a thread about what happened in that games was going to be made and it was.

For words of my own, how he played was like any typical noob on this noobful site.
However, what he said in the end:
2010-08-04 13:01:25 - bigeman01: sorry, i ad a deal w/ green
2010-08-04 13:01:29 - bigeman01: had to do it
2010-08-04 13:01:38 - murphy16: Oh bull shit teal
2010-08-04 13:01:41 - bigeman01: ur welcome murph
2010-08-04 13:01:44 - THORNHEART: murphy im hoping he isnt hlping u win in other games...
2010-08-04 13:01:45 - bigeman01: bye bye now
2010-08-04 13:01:48 - murphy16: Don't you dare make accusations like that

That is outrageous and I really don't appreciate it.

Firstly, if you're going to post here sorry but ppl will reply. secondly, could you please explain how you came to make this accusation, because I could have sworn it was this :

Game Chat wrote:2010-08-04 14:01:57 - bigeman01: you'll never know thorne
2010-08-04 14:02:07 - bigeman01:
2010-08-04 14:02:14 - THORNHEART: ...i could careless really not like im a lamb
2010-08-04 14:02:20 - bigeman01: good worknig w/ u murph
2010-08-04 14:02:38 - THORNHEART: but now your slandering him
2010-08-04 14:02:47 - THORNHEART: so reported for defamation
2010-08-04 14:03:33 - THORNHEART: I'll have my brother do it since I am blocked atm

'Nuff said.


Now next point to make is that, yes, anyone may make an accusation, but you are posting FOR thornheart, because he cannot, and are therefore breaking forum rules.
You weren't in the game, yet you make accusations about him running down to 1s. do you have some hidden camera I don't know about?
BTW I was in the game. If i thought something unfair was going on, don't you think I would have said something?

pretty easy to read a game log and see how he suicided in the game round 1...also I was watching the game nooblet.


secondly ANYONE can make a report about ANYTHING suspious and THORNHEART alerting me to the fact it needed to be reported isn't breaking any rules

third you have NOTHING to do with the main accusation wiych is Murphy being defamed...and Murphy (who was in the game smart aleck) is obviously annoyed noticed his post above yours ...so basically...look at my middle finger and go away.

murphy16 wrote:Wow I was wondering if a thread about what happened in that games was going to be made and it was.

For words of my own, how he played was like any typical noob on this noobful site.
However, what he said in the end:
2010-08-04 13:01:25 - bigeman01: sorry, i ad a deal w/ green
2010-08-04 13:01:29 - bigeman01: had to do it
2010-08-04 13:01:38 - murphy16: Oh bull shit teal
2010-08-04 13:01:41 - bigeman01: ur welcome murph
2010-08-04 13:01:44 - THORNHEART: murphy im hoping he isnt hlping u win in other games...
2010-08-04 13:01:45 - bigeman01: bye bye now
2010-08-04 13:01:48 - murphy16: Don't you dare make accusations like that

That is outrageous and I really don't appreciate it.

Deathwind wrote:pretty easy to read a game log and see how he suicided in the game round 1...also I was watching the game nooblet.
secondly ANYONE can make a report about ANYTHING suspious and THORNHEART alerting me to the fact it needed to be reported isn't breaking any rules

If you were watching the game then why do you also say thorn had to alert you to the game and its suspicious play. also, he admits to asking you to post for him. Don't lie.


O and here, let me quote two things for you.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1759440#p1759440

Night Strike wrote:Conquer Club takes a fairly liberal approach to what is said in Game Chats, but there are some deeds that should be dealt with by a moderator. If you encounter any of these violations, please open an Abuse Complaint in the Cheating & Abuse Forum.

So basically pretty much anything in chat goes, unless there is actually any truth behind his accusation.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1759436#p1759436

Night Strike wrote: Posting Repeatedly for Vacationed or Banned Users

If you choose to make posts for individuals who have received a vacation or a ban, don't be surprised if you find yourself quickly joining them in paradise.

Darwins_Bane wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Conquer Club takes a fairly liberal approach to what is said in Game Chats, but there are some deeds that should be dealt with by a moderator. If you encounter any of these violations, please open an Abuse Complaint in the Cheating & Abuse Forum.

So basically pretty much anything in chat goes, unless there is actually any truth behind his accusation.

I don't think you are reading into this correctly. The fact is that what is said leads the reader to believe there may be a C+A case. If there should not be, this does not make the chat acceptable.

It would be a dangerous precedent to make it OK to accuse your opponents of conducting secret diplomacy or attempting to do so, when this did not in fact occur. "Hey guys lets gang up on purple he just PM'd me asking for an alliance" or something like that. Then the other players have reason to suspect purple of secret diplomacy, open unfounded C+A cases, waste mods time, etc.

Your grasping at straws and its pathetic.

Also your trying to derail a accusation and turn it on my in my own thread which is against the rules.

To answer your points.

THORN called me online and said to watch this crazy noob in a game then I reported it.

Thats how he "alerted" me and how I was watching the game...your reading way to far into things. Yes he did say I was gonna post the accusation because he can't...theres nothing wrong with that...I saw thee same issues him and murphy did...I made the complaint...should I not make thee complaint because THORN is on a ban ?? don't be a noob...he told me it was suspious I looked it was and reported simple as that. stop derailing the topic.

Also I have not post "for" thornheart i have posted this for Murphy who was the victim here and even had i been posting for thornheart the crime i am reporting is real and therefore its the duty of anyone to report it so its invalid point that im posting for thorn. and finally I havnt not posted mutiple times as nightstrike was refering to so its mute again.

run along child

the sad part is you are getting it and no matter how much you bait and flame i wont rise to it. I'm trying to tell you that you don't have a case, and in fact, you are breaking the rule by posting for thorn, unless you talked to murphy? or is he a child too incapable of doing anything without daddy deathwind to swing to the rescue. grow up, im not derailing the topic, just illustrating the fact that there is none.

EDIT: Also, I am asking questions about YOUR case. and you are asking questions about MY character. It just makes me laugh that you're trying to "defame" me because i have a differing opinion, in a thread where you denounce defamation.

Darwins_Bane wrote: you are breaking the rule by posting for thorn

No he isn't. This isn't repeated posting. Also if someone/anyone feels there is a rules violation they may file a complaint regardless if they are an injured party or not.

# Posting Repeatedly for Vacationed or Banned Users

* If you choose to make posts for individuals who have received a vacation or a ban, don't be surprised if you find yourself quickly joining them in paradise.

jefjef wrote:

Darwins_Bane wrote: you are breaking the rule by posting for thorn

No he isn't. This isn't repeated posting. Also if someone/anyone feels there is a rules violation they may file a complaint regardless if they are an injured party or not.

# Posting Repeatedly for Vacationed or Banned Users

* If you choose to make posts for individuals who have received a vacation or a ban, don't be surprised if you find yourself quickly joining them in paradise.

Thank you jefjef and also darwin may i continue to direct your attention to what murphy posted in this thread...I have murhpys support and thanks for bringing this up.

murphy16 wrote:Wow I was wondering if a thread about what happened in that games was going to be made and it was.

For words of my own, how he played was like any typical noob on this noobful site.
However, what he said in the end:
2010-08-04 13:01:25 - bigeman01: sorry, i ad a deal w/ green
2010-08-04 13:01:29 - bigeman01: had to do it
2010-08-04 13:01:38 - murphy16: Oh bull shit teal
2010-08-04 13:01:41 - bigeman01: ur welcome murph
2010-08-04 13:01:44 - THORNHEART: murphy im hoping he isnt hlping u win in other games...
2010-08-04 13:01:45 - bigeman01: bye bye now
2010-08-04 13:01:48 - murphy16: Don't you dare make accusations like that

That is outrageous and I really don't appreciate it.

so I am wondering why you are not reading all the facts and still trying to get me in troubl for reporting abuse...

bigeman01 has been WARNED for throwing a game/gross abuse of the game.