Conquer Club

L M S and MNDuke

Accused:

[player]: LMS
[player]: MNDuke



The accused are suspected of:

PM Abuse
Other: In LMS's case actively telling people to Foe me as well as wall abuse. MNDuke just insulted me in PM and politely demands I remove my rating. I stand by said rating and do not appreciate the abuse.




Game number(s):

Game 6639018




Comments: If you need my permission to view the PM then let me know. If I am in the wrong the I have to say I still stand by my rating and will not remove it unless ordered to do so by an Admin.

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:L M S and MNDuke

Accused:

L M S
MNDuke



The accused are suspected of:

PM Abuse
Other: In LMS's case actively telling people to Foe me as well as wall abuse. MNDuke just insulted me in PM and politely demands I remove my rating. I stand by said rating and do not appreciate the abuse.




Game number(s):

Game 6639018




Comments: If you need my permission to view the PM then let me know. If I am in the wrong the I have to say I still stand by my rating and will not remove it unless ordered to do so by an Admin.

Links added.

As per this complaint. Nothing wrong with asking others to foe someone. Unless it's mass pm spams.

You say MNDuke insulted you politely? How the hell do you do that? I might just unfoe him for that. LOL.

BTW. Your wall is empty.

LOL, really?

Game 6639018

These are the PM's between he/she and MNDuke. Basically he/she is upset and left us bad ratings because of our tactics in Feudal Epic....which were to drop all available armies on one player to act as the runner and take out one of their team mates at a time....LOL, pretty standard Feudal Epic tactics if you ask me. Our team won the game and if anything should happen regarding this, Zyzyx Qyzyx should be warned for unfair ratings/abuse and the offending ratings should be removed from our records. I have already foed this player and had moved on but, it seems he/she is not willing to let it end.

by MNDuke
Hi. We recently played in game Game 6639018 against one another. This was a feudal epic game. You left me and my teammates with a very bad rating. You gave us 1 star for gameplay and fair play and no stars for attitude as well as attaching the cheap tactics tag. Could you please explain to my why you chose to rate me and friends this way. I would appreciate it if you would withdraw this negative rating as it is unjustified. I don't know if you were upset because you lost or just confused as to how we were able to beat you. I can explain the strategy behind that map if you'd like.

If their are other PM's I am unaware of them.

Did I post on his wall that I was going to foe...no...I did that as a response to his rating.
This is what I wrote:

Response: This guy got his ass beat in a Feudal Epic game, he thinks dropping all on one person is cheap tactics...what a moron, FOE him.

He/she also posted this to MNDuke:

by Zyzyx Qyzyx
I personally have never used or approve of the tactic and the fact that you use it lessens the games enjoyment and makes it just another mindless encounter.

ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

duke doesnt seem to make many friends....is this like his 4th accusation?

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

Ha thanks Megas.
Maybe he's mad because he found out he's not the only one on the site with no vowels in his username...or that I beat him to that idea...that's the best I can figure.
Either Way, FOED! and happily moved on.

THORNHEART wrote:duke doesnt seem to make many friends....is this like his 4th accusation?

What does this have to do with anything? Why do you feel the NEED to post unimportant things in this forum? Did you actually read the "accusation?".....total junk.

please use the report a pm feature. That way one of us mods can read it.

As for the rating...its one rating based on a users opinion. The way the ratings was designed. Hence you get a place to respond like you did.

Anyway I reserve judgement until ive seen some pm's

Here's the pms:

Sent: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:08 am
by MNDuke
Hi. We recently played in game Game 6639018 against one another. This was a feudal epic game. You left me and my teammates with a very bad rating. You gave us 1 star for gameplay and fair play and no stars for attitude as well as attaching the cheap tactics tag. Could you please explain to my why you chose to rate me and friends this way. I would appreciate it if you would withdraw this negative rating as it is unjustified. I don't know if you were upset because you lost or just confused as to how we were able to beat you. I can explain the strategy behind that map if you'd like.

Sent: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:41 pm
by Zyzyx Qyzyx
Just because a tactic is considered standard does not make it any less cheap. I personally have never used or approve of the tactic and the fact that you use it lessens the games enjoyment and makes it just another mindless encounter.

Sent: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:44 pm
by MNDuke

Please enlighten me. How is the tactic considered cheap? It is a team game. Please do remember that; so how is dropping on my teammates considered a cheap tactic? It is allowed by the rules of CC and is far from being considered a cheap tactic. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it cheap or any less valid. It's no more cheap than esc spoils. Please pull your head out of your ass and grow up YOU CHILD. You are acting a damn fool. Now please have enough courtesy to pull your fingers out of your vagina and remove your ridiculously petty rating. That is far more cheap than beating your ass in feudal epic.

Being a genius and having learned from prior experience, I will let the mods sort this out. The rest of you can speculate and make all the judgments you want as I'm tired of these pointless C&A debates that just end up as giant debacles.

lord voldemort wrote:please use the report a pm feature. That way one of us mods can read it.

As for the rating...its one rating based on a users opinion. The way the ratings was designed. Hence you get a place to respond like you did.

Anyway I reserve judgement until ive seen some pm's

Hey Lord V, could you send me a pm on how how report a pm please I'm not that good with tech stuff. Would be most grateful.

Back to topic at hand the game looks like a normal feudal epic game using bog standard tactics nothing cheap about it. I can't read the game chat as most of the people on Team2 are on my ignore list.

As for the wall posts I took them down

Also I don't see what my rank has to do with anything. I play and I play because I enjoy the game. Obviously I do get beaten a lot do I give hem all bad ratings? No. So no I am not "Butt-hurt" or being a baby. As for acting like a child, I just posted a rating based on my interaction with the game. The following responses I got were far more childish than a mere posting.

jefjef wrote:

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:L M S and MNDuke

Accused:

L M S
MNDuke



The accused are suspected of:

PM Abuse
Other: In LMS's case actively telling people to Foe me as well as wall abuse. MNDuke just insulted me in PM and politely demands I remove my rating. I stand by said rating and do not appreciate the abuse.




Game number(s):

Game 6639018




Comments: If you need my permission to view the PM then let me know. If I am in the wrong the I have to say I still stand by my rating and will not remove it unless ordered to do so by an Admin.

Links added.

As per this complaint. Nothing wrong with asking others to foe someone. Unless it's mass pm spams.

You say MNDuke insulted you politely? How the hell do you do that? I might just unfoe him for that. LOL.

BTW. Your wall is empty.

No he did not insult me politely he insulted me and demanded politely I remove my rating. I think you may have read that wrong

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

I have won on the map w/o using the tactic. I have also lost, I am not saying don't support your team I say loading every available troop you have to one person so they can run across the map is messed up. Yes I know everyone thinks its a fine tactic to use and a lot of people do it, but I don't.

Also I don't care about my rank I play to have fun. I don't need to win to feel good or have fun. Not all games are endlessly enjoyable but there are those that have their moments, and on a lot of those I didn't win. So what? Who cares about losing or winning a game. I'm not a general or professional tactician in real life nor would I be any good at it. But I love Conquer games and Feudal is one of my favorites. I played the old one and the new one is fun too.

Way too many words were spoken here, I may have gotten my point across or jumbled it up into an unreadable mess, (I have that penchant) but focusing on my rank made me feel like I had to properly explain myself to you. I assume that child is a neutral equatable term referring to everyone in general playing a game.

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

I have won on the map w/o using the tactic. I have also lost, I am not saying don't support your team I say loading every available troop you have to one person so they can run across the map is messed up. Yes I know everyone thinks its a fine tactic to use and a lot of people do it, but I don't.

Also I don't care about my rank I play to have fun. I don't need to win to feel good or have fun. Not all games are endlessly enjoyable but there are those that have their moments, and on a lot of those I didn't win. So what? Who cares about losing or winning a game. I'm not a general or professional tactician in real life nor would I be any good at it. But I love Conquer games and Feudal is one of my favorites. I played the old one and the new one is fun too.

Way too many words were spoken here, I may have gotten my point across or jumbled it up into an unreadable mess, (I have that penchant) but focusing on my rank made me feel like I had to properly explain myself to you. I assume that child is a neutral equatable term referring to everyone in general playing a game.

In that case, I would strenuously suggest you stop playing any Feudal map team games immediately...as well as Poland, AOR and a few others that I can't think of right now (it's 2:30 in the morning lol) because more often than not that is the 'tactic' used to win on those maps...on second thought do you wanna play 800 games of Feudal Epic against my team?
I'm sorry you don't think winning is fun.

Anyway, the point here is.....just because you don't like the 'tactic' or prefer to play the map differently doesn't make our game play bad or mean we play unfairly or mean that we use cheap tactics.
Your ratings are unwarranted.

jefjef wrote:As per this complaint. Nothing wrong with asking others to foe someone. Unless it's mass pm spams.

That's a bunch of shit, quite frankly. It's cowardly and assinine.

That being said, if what LMX has posted is accurate, then what he did is NOT cowardly and assinine, nor is it "asking others to foe him", really.

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

I have won on the map w/o using the tactic. I have also lost, I am not saying don't support your team I say loading every available troop you have to one person so they can run across the map is messed up. Yes I know everyone thinks its a fine tactic to use and a lot of people do it, but I don't.

Also I don't care about my rank I play to have fun. I don't need to win to feel good or have fun. Not all games are endlessly enjoyable but there are those that have their moments, and on a lot of those I didn't win. So what? Who cares about losing or winning a game. I'm not a general or professional tactician in real life nor would I be any good at it. But I love Conquer games and Feudal is one of my favorites. I played the old one and the new one is fun too.

Way too many words were spoken here, I may have gotten my point across or jumbled it up into an unreadable mess, (I have that penchant) but focusing on my rank made me feel like I had to properly explain myself to you. I assume that child is a neutral equatable term referring to everyone in general playing a game.

I'm not focusing on your rank. Ask yourself an honest question, the other team played to win, the tactic they used is a valid one, was it really fair to rate poorly just because someone used a valid tactic that you don't agree with?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be complaining about been asked(maybe in an unkind fashion, you haven't cut and pasted anything to support that accusation) to withdraw a rating that you left because you were upset that the opposing team adopted a winning and proven strategy against you, and played like a team.
Don't sweat people giving you shit about your rank, everyone started at the bottom, and as you don't have premium it may take you longer to rank up as your not playing as many games.

BoganGod wrote:

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

I have won on the map w/o using the tactic. I have also lost, I am not saying don't support your team I say loading every available troop you have to one person so they can run across the map is messed up. Yes I know everyone thinks its a fine tactic to use and a lot of people do it, but I don't.

Also I don't care about my rank I play to have fun. I don't need to win to feel good or have fun. Not all games are endlessly enjoyable but there are those that have their moments, and on a lot of those I didn't win. So what? Who cares about losing or winning a game. I'm not a general or professional tactician in real life nor would I be any good at it. But I love Conquer games and Feudal is one of my favorites. I played the old one and the new one is fun too.

Way too many words were spoken here, I may have gotten my point across or jumbled it up into an unreadable mess, (I have that penchant) but focusing on my rank made me feel like I had to properly explain myself to you. I assume that child is a neutral equatable term referring to everyone in general playing a game.

I'm not focusing on your rank. Ask yourself an honest question, the other team played to win, the tactic they used is a valid one, was it really fair to rate poorly just because someone used a valid tactic that you don't agree with?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be complaining about been asked(maybe in an unkind fashion, you haven't cut and pasted anything to support that accusation) to withdraw a rating that you left because you were upset that the opposing team adopted a winning and proven strategy against you, and played like a team.
Don't sweat people giving you shit about your rank, everyone started at the bottom, and as you don't have premium it may take you longer to rank up as your not playing as many games.

Agreed 100% Bogan, if anything this seems to be abuse of the abuse forum. The issue here is not the game or the ratings system (whether a standard winning strategy can be considered cheap tactics is neither here nor there as the OP is allowed to think this and rate/foe at his will - just as the winning team were perfectly in their rights to ask him to remove an unjust rating).

I haven't seen any proof of Wall/PM abuse as the OP suggests. If you can't back up your claims then don't acuse! I for one am not foeing the OP as though he seems like an extremely bad loser, there may well be easy points to be had on some of the maps aforementioned if he thinks dropping one member is cheap tactics! Feel free to invite me to a WWII Poland, Pelo, Feudal etc game any time!

Pander88uk wrote:

BoganGod wrote:

Zyzyx Qyzyx wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:ummm.....dude....maybe thats why you are a cadet-your idea of "cheap tactics" are how you actually play and win the map....

LMS shame on you...play nice with the children....lol

I have won on the map w/o using the tactic. I have also lost, I am not saying don't support your team I say loading every available troop you have to one person so they can run across the map is messed up. Yes I know everyone thinks its a fine tactic to use and a lot of people do it, but I don't.

Also I don't care about my rank I play to have fun. I don't need to win to feel good or have fun. Not all games are endlessly enjoyable but there are those that have their moments, and on a lot of those I didn't win. So what? Who cares about losing or winning a game. I'm not a general or professional tactician in real life nor would I be any good at it. But I love Conquer games and Feudal is one of my favorites. I played the old one and the new one is fun too.

Way too many words were spoken here, I may have gotten my point across or jumbled it up into an unreadable mess, (I have that penchant) but focusing on my rank made me feel like I had to properly explain myself to you. I assume that child is a neutral equatable term referring to everyone in general playing a game.

I'm not focusing on your rank. Ask yourself an honest question, the other team played to win, the tactic they used is a valid one, was it really fair to rate poorly just because someone used a valid tactic that you don't agree with?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be complaining about been asked(maybe in an unkind fashion, you haven't cut and pasted anything to support that accusation) to withdraw a rating that you left because you were upset that the opposing team adopted a winning and proven strategy against you, and played like a team.
Don't sweat people giving you shit about your rank, everyone started at the bottom, and as you don't have premium it may take you longer to rank up as your not playing as many games.

Agreed 100% Bogan, if anything this seems to be abuse of the abuse forum. The issue here is not the game or the ratings system (whether a standard winning strategy can be considered cheap tactics is neither here nor there as the OP is allowed to think this and rate/foe at his will - just as the winning team were perfectly in their rights to ask him to remove an unjust rating).

I haven't seen any proof of Wall/PM abuse as the OP suggests. If you can't back up your claims then don't acuse! I for one am not foeing the OP as though he seems like an extremely bad loser, there may well be easy points to be had on some of the maps aforementioned if he thinks dropping one member is cheap tactics! Feel free to invite me to a WWII Poland, Pelo, Feudal etc game any time!

excellent idea! Freemiums can't send invites though I will invite the starter of this thread to a quads feudal epic I have up, lets see a) whether he accepts b) if he accepts, whether he wins c) what my ratings will be for stacking on one player.

BoganGod wrote: excellent idea! Freemiums can't send invites though I will invite the starter of this thread to a quads feudal epic I have up, lets see a) whether he accepts b) if he accepts, whether he wins c) what my ratings will be for stacking on one player.

Ah forgot they can't If he accepts your invite, let us all know how it goes I think I could put up with 1 bad rating!

Pander88uk wrote:

BoganGod wrote: excellent idea! Freemiums can't send invites though I will invite the starter of this thread to a quads feudal epic I have up, lets see a) whether he accepts b) if he accepts, whether he wins c) what my ratings will be for stacking on one player.

Ah forgot they can't If he accepts your invite, let us all know how it goes I think I could put up with 1 bad rating!

Will do mate

This post was made by BoganGod who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

This is how you address the problem. Foe and move on.

Woodruff wrote:

jefjef wrote:As per this complaint. Nothing wrong with asking others to foe someone. Unless it's mass pm spams.

That's a bunch of shit, quite frankly. It's cowardly and assinine.

That being said, if what LMX has posted is accurate, then what he did is NOT cowardly and assinine, nor is it "asking others to foe him", really.

Woody. Is it against the rules? NO.

I might just foe you and pass the word around.

I don't really care what you suggest I do LMS I can play w/e I please and that wasn't a message to you.

BoganGod wrote:I'm not focusing on your rank. Ask yourself an honest question, the other team played to win, the tactic they used is a valid one, was it really fair to rate poorly just because someone used a valid tactic that you don't agree with?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be complaining about been asked(maybe in an unkind fashion, you haven't cut and pasted anything to support that accusation) to withdraw a rating that you left because you were upset that the opposing team adopted a winning and proven strategy against you, and played like a team.
Don't sweat people giving you shit about your rank, everyone started at the bottom, and as you don't have premium it may take you longer to rank up as your not playing as many games.

The loading up to one person turns the game from strategy to the first person to get lucky. It becomes more of a game of "Rock Paper Scissors" but with only a 1 neutral, 1 win, and 1 lose outcome. (RPS having 2 of each) Perhaps the issue is more with the tactic itself. It cheapens the game. So I guess you are correct. But my experience with the game did make it less of a game. I will remove the rating, but I wish I could put it back up minus the cheap tag.

See, had NMDuke and LMS been more respectful this could have been better resolved. BoganGod is the one who made the argument more valid and allowed me to remove the rating.

I don't like the implications that I am easy points Pander88uk. If my team wants to use the tactic I will oblige them while trying to change their minds but I have not needed too yet. I will be a team player if that's what they want to do then I will assist, the good of the team comes first. I know that sounds hypocritical but I will not ruin a team based on my own opinions they want to win and I will help.

As I said I removed the wall posts, but I did report the PM. Will not post it here. I am not a poor loser. My scores alone show I lose quite a bit. BoganGod made a good argument that I did not see and so I removed the ratings, but the PM abuse and wall attack still stand as they were crass and rude after the first PM. They showed no proper discussion and insulted me personally after the first message.

So no sorry. Only "easy points" if no one wants to use the tactic and the other team does.