multi or cheating[Busted]e84

[matrix008]

Accused:

shaynorg
jacklate
gregnorg



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis




Game number(s):

6566824




Comments: every game that jacklate play have a shaynorg in them, and shaynorg and gregnorg also played together in last couple of games.. i think they are cheating.

[TeeGee]

Accused:

shaynorg
jacklate
gregnorg



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

Game 6566824




Comments: every game that jacklate play have a shaynorg in them, and shaynorg and gregnorg also played together in last couple of games.. i think they are cheating.

Fixed links

Nice pick up

[matrix008]

yes it is

[matrix008]

i didnt know if i have to write all games with them together, but everybody can see them in jacklate-s profile, and gregnorg-s too.

[matrix008]

look at the games 6480262 ,6480269, 6498809, 6527880 all of them with jacklate, and all of them with shaynorg winning...
and games 6566824 and 6498840 with all of them in the driving seats.. this is more than suspicious.
Now i can see another player ZHONGMAO who is playing along with shaynorg every his game.. so look at that please.
when will they be banned?

[Jatekos]

dangerdragon seems to be shaynorg's multi too.
Game 6163305
Game 6163229

Besides shaynorg and gregnorg there is at least one more Norg worth checking: Norg2000.

[eye84free]

Looking into it at this time.

Eye84free

[shaynorg]

jack latner uses the same computer as me at work. we teach at the same school in school in shenzhen, china. gregnorg is my brother. we play together but not with each other. norg2000 is my other brother, nick. dangerdragon is charles who used to play but didnt really get into it. jack plays all his games with me because thats what we do at work, but look at the other 15 that i play. it doesnt contain him.

[gregnorg]

I don't see why I am accused of cheating. I simply have a similar name as my brothers tag. I don't think any evidence of secret diplomacy has been presented.

Greg

[matrix008]

ok, so jacklate is your "friend", at work and you use the same computer? come on, thats the lame excuse of the century. And that is why when he finish his turn, 20 seconds later you step in (in the same computer) and play, and then when you finish he comes back to play? dont want to mention your brother who i am sure of that gets message when you two will play, so he dont miss it. It only takes two or three that moves to clear the oponents out, and then to play normal game between yourselfs. So my sugestion is get a private game and do not take points from someone else. If i knew that you are that close and are planing your turns together i wouldnt join the game at all. All i am saying it is not rigth to lose a points on this kind of fixed games, the rest of us didnt have a chance.. And for the evidence, i think that you made the case for me, everything else is written on the game we played. game is 6566824.

[matrix008]

2010-03-05 23:06:52 - shaynorg received 4 troops for holding Far East
2010-03-05 23:06:52 - shaynorg received 6 troops for 20 regions
2010-03-05 23:07:08 - shaynorg deployed 3 troops on Mongolia
2010-03-05 23:07:22 - shaynorg deployed 7 troops on India
2010-03-05 23:07:42 - shaynorg assaulted Evenkia from Mongolia and conquered it from Ayatolah
2010-03-05 23:09:57 - shaynorg assaulted Iran from Iraq and conquered it from matrix008
2010-03-05 23:10:22 - shaynorg reinforced Mongolia with 1 troops from Yugra
2010-03-05 23:10:31 - shaynorg reinforced India with 1 troops from Yugra
2010-03-05 23:10:48 - shaynorg reinforced Iran with 2 troops from Saudi
2010-03-05 23:11:29 - shaynorg ended the turn and got spoils
2010-03-05 23:21:21 - jacklate received 5 troops for 15 regions
2010-03-05 23:22:02 - jacklate deployed 5 troops on Congo
2010-03-05 23:22:08 - jacklate assaulted Sudan from Ethiopia and conquered it from shaynorg
2010-03-05 23:22:40 - jacklate assaulted Irkutsk from Sakha and conquered it from Ayatolah
2010-03-05 23:23:36 - jacklate ended the turn and got spoils
2010-03-05 23:23:36 - Incrementing game to round 3
2010-03-05 23:35:39 - shaynorg received 4 troops for holding Far East
2010-03-05 23:35:39 - shaynorg received 7 troops for 21 regions
2010-03-05 23:35:51 - shaynorg deployed 2 troops on Taiwan
2010-03-05 23:36:00 - shaynorg deployed 2 troops on China
2010-03-05 23:36:40 - shaynorg deployed 7 troops on India
2010-03-05 23:36:44 - shaynorg assaulted Sri Lanka from India and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-05 23:36:52 - shaynorg assaulted Nepal from India and conquered it from usernamer
2010-03-05 23:36:59 - shaynorg assaulted Pakistan from India and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-05 23:39:37 - shaynorg reinforced Pakistan with 3 troops from Iran
2010-03-05 23:40:25 - shaynorg ended the turn and got spoils
2010-03-05 23:52:10 - jacklate received 3 troops for holding The Horn
2010-03-05 23:52:10 - jacklate received 5 troops for 17 regions
2010-03-05 23:52:20 - jacklate deployed 4 troops on Somalia
2010-03-05 23:52:43 - jacklate deployed 2 troops on Sudan
2010-03-05 23:53:20 - jacklate deployed 2 troops on Sakha
2010-03-05 23:53:33 - jacklate assaulted Evenkia from Sakha and conquered it from shaynorg
2010-03-05 23:53:40 - jacklate assaulted Yugra from Evenkia and conquered it from shaynorg
2010-03-05 23:55:32 - jacklate reinforced Irkutsk with 1 troops from Komi
2010-03-05 23:55:53 - jacklate reinforced Prairies with 2 troops from Upper Canada
2010-03-05 23:56:41 - jacklate ended the turn and got spoils

[matrix008]

2010-03-06 13:25:24 - jacklate assaulted Zimbabwe from Congo and conquered it from shaynorg
2010-03-06 13:25:31 - jacklate assaulted Angola from Zimbabwe and conquered it from shaynorg
2010-03-06 13:25:35 - jacklate assaulted Namibia from Angola and conquered it from usernamer
2010-03-06 13:26:56 - jacklate reinforced Congo with 2 troops from Angola
2010-03-06 13:27:09 - jacklate reinforced Congo with 1 troops from Mozambique
2010-03-06 13:27:18 - jacklate ended the turn and got spoils
2010-03-06 13:27:18 - Incrementing game to round 5
2010-03-06 13:27:41 - shaynorg received 3 troops for holding Indian Subcontinent
2010-03-06 13:27:41 - shaynorg received 4 troops for holding Far East
2010-03-06 13:27:41 - shaynorg received 7 troops for 21 regions
2010-03-06 13:27:55 - shaynorg deployed 6 troops on Hawaii
2010-03-06 13:28:04 - shaynorg deployed 5 troops on Borneo

Shaynorg you say that you and jacklate are co-workers and you are using the same computer at work.. so it would take a 23 seconds for him to step out, then for you to sit at the same computer and play? And you say that you dont play together?
There is only two explanation, and both of them means that you are cheaters..(or a cheater if it is a multi)

in asia on that same game you didnt atack eachother even when one of you have only 1 trop on the country that brings 4 new trops...

[matrix008]

2010-03-06 22:48:40 - jacklate assaulted North East Brazil from Guineas and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-06 22:48:51 - jacklate assaulted Parana from North East Brazil and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-06 22:48:57 - jacklate assaulted Amazonas from Parana and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-06 22:49:04 - jacklate assaulted Colombia from Amazonas and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-06 22:49:11 - jacklate assaulted Panama from Colombia and conquered it from gregnorg
2010-03-06 22:49:50 - jacklate reinforced Guineas with 7 troops from Panama
2010-03-06 22:50:02 - jacklate ended the turn and got spoils
2010-03-06 22:50:02 - Incrementing game to round 6
2010-03-06 22:50:33 - shaynorg received 3 troops for holding Indian Subcontinent
2010-03-06 22:50:33 - shaynorg received 4 troops for holding Far East
2010-03-06 22:50:33 - shaynorg received 7 troops for 23 regions
2010-03-06 22:50:46 - shaynorg deployed 14 troops on Borneo
2010-03-06 22:50:50 - shaynorg assaulted Sulawesi from Borneo and conquered it from Ayatolah
2010-03-06 22:50:55 - shaynorg assaulted Irian Jaya from Sulawesi and conquered it from Ayatolah

[gregnorg]

again, it seems as if there are no real accusations being made towards me as a cheater.

Greg

[shaynorg]

yes, j is my co-worker. we teach english at a school in shenzhen, china. we use the same computer lab. sometimes we are "friendly" towards each other. so we'll quit playing games together if that is what is necessary.
stop all accusations towards greg.

[matrix008]

ok, it may be that gregnorg is wrongly acused, i am sorry for that, but at the time of my acusation it seemed that he is working the scam with you shaynorg. Now, if you admit that something is wrong ( by trying to save at least greg ), its in the hands of multihunters to do the final "cut". I dont want to stay in between "brothers love", thats bad carma.

[Streaker]

yes, j is my co-worker. we teach english at a school in shenzhen, china. we use the same computer lab. sometimes we are "friendly" towards each other. so we'll quit playing games together if that is what is necessary.
stop all accusations towards greg.

Premium accounts are (mostly) not multi's. Think they will be cleared of it.
This guy IS admitting to some sort of SD, so should be blocked playing with eachother.

[matrix008]

I am aware of that shaynorg and gregnorg are premium members, but jacklate and zhongmao are not, and they by my opinion are multis for shaynorg (and not premier members)... dont know the policy of who get banned, and frankly dont care, I just wanted to see if I was right when i was feeling cheated in my game.. and I am now sure that game 6566824 was "fixed" before it started.

[matrix008]

One more thing: every game so far that shaynorg and jacklate played together ended up with those two stayed alone in them
(they killed everyone else) ,and after that with shaynorg win.. now if that is not strange i dont know what is.. games are 6480262, 6480269, 6498809 and 6527880.

[matrix008]

So is there a time limit for the decidion or its gona stay "pending" until everybody forget about it?

[matrix008]

Now I get bad ratings from, shaynorg..lol
I wonder why?
Just relaks shaynorg, it seems that you will get your "get out of jail" free membership card.. I can live with your bad rating..

[eye84free]

shaynorg has been busted with jacklate and zhongmao

Eye84free

[gregnorg]

how exactly was this determined? or is that some sort of trade secret?