Conquer Club

Accused:
the_dayman
xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx



The accused are suspected of:
chat abuse
intentional deadbeating
possible homophobic remarks



Game number(s):

Game 6447186
Game 6326242
Game 6409922
[game]xxxxxxx[/game]
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... The_Dayman ratings links includes most of the games



Comments: basically his standard response to being outplayed is "lucky fucking faggot." Im not sure this qualifies as homophobic, except that it is used so often, that its possible.

he then threatens to miss turns, and misses turns. his ratings do reflect this, but this case is extreme enough to warrant further review possibly

I of course had some fun with it...but im not sure others enjoy this behavior as much as others.

Personally, I think he is actually trying to get kicked out.

the homopobic comment is baseless...i mean how often on here does someone say fag faggot queer or something and if you inserted the word F@CKER instead it would have the same inteaded meaning.

on the other complaint I agree with you but is it worth bringing up? for sure a famo case?

THORNHEART wrote:the homopobic comment is baseless...i mean how often on here does someone say fag faggot queer or something and if you inserted the word F@CKER instead it would have the same inteaded meaning.

on the other complaint I agree with you but is it worth bringing up? for sure a famo case?

I would agree, except for the sheer volume of games he is doing it in. its actually hard to find a two player game he lost, where he didnt intentionally deadbeat.

Note: If you replace the word f*cker after f*cking... it would not have the same "inteaded" meaning. In fact, im not sure it would have any meaning. In any case, its not the one use of it that is important, its the fact that its in so many games, that makes it possible abuse. This isnt someone who slipped...its someone out proactively trying to ruin games, but being abusive, and intentionally dead beating at the first sign of losing...and in this case...the loss rate is quite a bit, as is the dead beating rate.

The reason for the report is to try and prevent other players from having to deal with someone blatently and repeatedly breaking the rules.

THORNHEART wrote:the homopobic comment is baseless...i mean how often on here does someone say fag faggot queer or something and if you inserted the word F@CKER instead it would have the same inteaded meaning.

on the other complaint I agree with you but is it worth bringing up? for sure a famo case?

Thornheart - just what planet do you live on? Faggot / queer = not homophobic errrrrrrrrrrr kindly explain

THORNHEART wrote:the homopobic comment is baseless...i mean how often on here does someone say fag faggot queer or something and if you inserted the word F@CKER instead it would have the same inteaded meaning.

on the other complaint I agree with you but is it worth bringing up? for sure a famo case?

People say fag, faggot and queer a lot and it's nearly always homophobic.

If fucker would mean the same thing, say fucker instead.

I don't know if you'd call it homophobic, but you could definitely call it bigotry.

I don't think there is such a thing as chat abuse either Fitz, but the guy looks like he is definitely deadbeating, and not just "missing turns" which people say is ok.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

I also think this is a form of holding people hostage because they have to fucking sit there forever. This guy should be dinged.

Snowgun wrote:I don't know if you'd call it homophobic, but you could definitely call it bigotry.

I don't think there is such a thing as chat abuse either Fitz, but the guy looks like he is definitely deadbeating, and not just "missing turns" which people say is ok.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

I also think this is a form of holding people hostage because they have to fucking sit there forever. This guy should be dinged.

i agree, but only because he does it systematically...he says im leaving, and does, simply because he lost, repeatedly.

so at least he is an honest abuser




at the homophobic thing...its still ridiclous to say that because he calls people that beat him fagots he is a homophobic....its his werid way of insulting...

I guess since I call people that do stupid moves and wind up winning noobs that im a noobophobic??

well the homophobic part would prob get you banned on other sites but not here

I do think there is a case for him being a serial deadbeat

Fuzzylogic99 wrote:well the homophobic part would prob get you banned on other sites but not here

Is it allowed on here then?

THORNHEART wrote:so at least he is an honest abuser

at the homophobic thing...its still ridiculous to say that because he calls people that beat him fagots he is a homophobic....its his weird way of insulting...

I guess since I call people that do stupid moves and wind up winning noobs that I'm a noobophobic??

At the "at the homophobic thing", he is calling people he doesn't like fagot because he believes that being gay is an insult. It's not the word that's wrong but the intent behind the word.

Calling people noob when they do something stupid is fine. You're insulting them because of their actions and not their colour, sexuality, gender, hair colour etc.

surely to be classed as discriminatory ... u actualy have to be a faggot to begin with. Does the form of the insult have to be true for it to be offensive to the minority group concerned :p Guess that says it all for the OP

I just meant the use of the f** insult ..I think that there sites that wont let you use that word
and consider it homophobic.CC is very liberal on the free speech thing and it takes something
really racist etc to get in trouble.....I guess i should of been more detailed in what i was trying to say

mr cookies wrote:surely to be classed as discriminatory ... u actualy have to be a faggot to begin with. Does the form of the insult have to be true for it to be offensive to the minority group concerned :p Guess that says it all for the OP

Discriminatory is the wrong word. That's choosing one thing over another.

Calling people faggots is insulting to gay people because it implies it's not good to be one. Gay that is, not a faggot!

Try changing the word faggot with nigger. It usually makes it more obvious to people.

Fuzzylogic99 wrote:I just meant the use of the f** insult ..I think that there sites that wont let you use that word
and consider it homophobic.CC is very liberal on the free speech thing and it takes something
really racist etc to get in trouble.....I guess i should of been more detailed in what i was trying to say

It being a little bit racist ok?

More detail needed!

Tiggy D Amour wrote:

mr cookies wrote:surely to be classed as discriminatory ... u actualy have to be a faggot to begin with. Does the form of the insult have to be true for it to be offensive to the minority group concerned :p Guess that says it all for the OP

Discriminatory is the wrong word. That's choosing one thing over another.

Calling people faggots is insulting to gay people because it implies it's not good to be one. Gay that is, not a faggot!

Try changing the word faggot with nigger. It usually makes it more obvious to people.

Whenever I see the term faggot being used insultingly I immediately picture the speaker as a none too bright kid who desperately needs to get his first shag

Here's another one, just played him...
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=6452567

Started the game, then missed out on his first three turns. Even took the time to go into chat and say he forgot about the game, and STILL didn't take his turns.

From the site rules:

"In no circumstances is bigotry allowed.

* Bigotry includes racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, religion bashing, lack of religion bashing, or wishing violence on any minority group, etc."

Therefore anybody using the word faggot will get into trouble.

mr cookies wrote:surely to be classed as discriminatory ... u actualy have to be a faggot to begin with. Does the form of the insult have to be true for it to be offensive to the minority group concerned :p Guess that says it all for the OP

If you use a term against someone in an attempt to diminish them, than it than that is the source of the offense. Using the term in a derogatory way is the discriminatory. I as a straight person, may or may not be offended, and non straight people may or may not be offended by the use. It is however meant offensively, and bigoted.

Your failure to understand such a simple concept, and completely misunderstand it, says a lot about you. Though, I for one am not surprised.

THORNHEART wrote:so at least he is an honest abuser




at the homophobic thing...its still ridiclous to say that because he calls people that beat him fagots he is a homophobic....its his werid way of insulting...

I guess since I call people that do stupid moves and wind up winning noobs that im a noobophobic??

Your comment could be considered noobophobic, that does not mean you necessarily are. And using the term faggot is homophobic, because by using it it is insinuating that it is a negative word, and therefore, insulting and offensive to an entire group of people simply based on their sexual orientation. Whether or not its allowed here is another matter.

well its used all the time...and its ridicolous to say that it is because he is homophobic he is using it.

now its obvious he accosiates being queer with something bad as do most redblooded american males.

in almost any activity in which men are involved you will hear "you fag" or thats "so gay" used...seriously stop posting ridicolous accusatins in this forum and then being like im not sure in what way it was meant please look into it. serious ball up quit being such a faggot.

but he is a serial deadbeat.

THORNHEART wrote:well its used all the time...and its ridicolous to say that it is because he is homophobic he is using it.

now its obvious he accosiates being queer with something bad as do most redblooded american males.

in almost any activity in which men are involved you will hear "you fag" or thats "so gay" used...seriously stop posting ridicolous accusatins in this forum and then being like im not sure in what way it was meant please look into it. serious ball up quit being such a faggot.

but he is a serial deadbeat.

And this is an example why we look forward to you posting in this forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iKzrqblqQ

he's obviously a multi of Charlie from It's Always Sunny In Philidelphia

THORNHEART wrote:well its used all the time...and its ridicolous to say that it is because he is homophobic he is using it.

now its obvious he accosiates being queer with something bad as do most redblooded american males.

in almost any activity in which men are involved you will hear "you fag" or thats "so gay" used...seriously stop posting ridicolous accusatins in this forum and then being like im not sure in what way it was meant please look into it. serious ball up quit being such a faggot.

but he is a serial deadbeat.

If somebody uses "Gay" as a negative it is wrong. If lot's of people uses it that way, lot's of people are wrong. If the site ignores it, the site is wrong.

"In no circumstances is bigotry allowed.

* Bigotry includes racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, religion bashing, lack of religion bashing, or wishing violence on any minority group, etc."

THORNHEART wrote:well its used all the time...and its ridicolous to say that it is because he is homophobic he is using it.

now its obvious he accosiates being queer with something bad as do most redblooded american males.

in almost any activity in which men are involved you will hear "you fag" or thats "so gay" used...seriously stop posting ridicolous accusatins in this forum and then being like im not sure in what way it was meant please look into it. serious ball up quit being such a faggot.

but he is a serial deadbeat.

Yeah, great logic, though not surprising. First off though, what color blood do American male homosexuals have?... or, do they "accosiate" being queer with something bad also?

More importantly though. Yes, people do use the term all the time. That does not mean its homophobic, only that its used all the time. People also used to use the n** word all the time. It is racist, and always was racist. That did not make it right then, and it does not make it right now. Also, he did not say, you fag, or so gay... he repeatedly calls people "fucking faggots" which may or may not be against the rules. It certainly isnt a "ridicolous accusatin" If someone used this phrase that you so passionately defend in the workplace, they could be sued, fired, and possibly even arrested under certain conditions. If used during a crime, it could create a civil rights violation and actually make it a hate crime. So, while you like the term, and defend it, do be careful, because while it all makes sense in your head, there is a big world out there, that is actually a little more complicated than the one you've created for yourself, and you will indeed run into serious trouble, if you ignore how the real world operates for too much longer.

Maybe this will make it easier...when you watch a movie where the racist antagonist(that's the bad guy) is calling other human beings racist things, and treating them as worth less than other humans, just because of their race....remember, you are that antagonist, and it is that guy you are defending passionately here. You are welcome to do so, but do not be confused in any way your role in this situation. You are advocating bashing other people because of their sexual orientation, and not just for some harmless humor. You are literally justifying the use, because you feel that being gay, or fag, or faggot is somehow bad as to all red-blooded American males. I just want you to be under the illusion of being the champion of some just cause here, because in this case, you are the bad guy, the one who is wrong, and the one who is the bad guy, in the next movie or TV show you watch...that you falsely assume is not you.

In any case, Im not suggesting that every time a person uses the word it should be dealt with, or a post should be made, or even that I would have made a post if thats all he was doing.

This accusation is about a player who is repeatedly and methodically calling players "fucking faggot", is purposely deadbeating, and in general being abusive, possibly beyond the CC guidelines. Its not the "ridicolous accusatin" you think it is, but one made after seeing a player that is generally out to cause trouble in nearly every way he can. Though I cant be sure of how mods deal with such players, and honestly don't care to some degree, I do know its worthy of a thread, if for no other purpose than to get it noted, or warned, especially knowing full well that at this point, that he will continue, and further ruin games for players that truly get bothered by such things. Myself, as you may see from the chat, tend to have fun with such players.

Some helpful advice:
Now...perhaps instead of posting in favor of, and in defense of outright bigotry, maybe you could just take one minute, to download a spell checker, or hell, maybe even have someone proof read that stuff, or, if you have a learning disability please warn, because I honestly feel guilty pointing out problems with posts that are absolutely so devoid of the ability to understand English. So, I apologize if English is not your first language, if you have a learning disability, if you are six, if your computer that wont allow for a spell checker because you cant afford it, or some other issue I cant think of....otherwise, at the very least, read your posts once before posting...and if you cant understand it...just edit it to be coherent, or at least, partially coherent, because some of those groups of words you string together, simply are not sentences, and while I cant resist pointing it out...I feel extremely guilty doing it, especially if you really do have a actual problem or speak another language. Or in general, if you see grownups discussing difficult topics which take some thinking and perhaps some actual thought...maybe just play another doodle game or something.