Conquer Club

Accused: DomQuebec

The accused are suspected of: intentional deadbeating when losing in a 1 vs 1 game. Missed turns are before opponent killed him!

Game number(s):
Game 6228359 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 6205848 missed 2 turn
Game 6200392 missed 2 turns
Game 6200389 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 6193337 missed 2 turns
Game 6184818 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 6179230 missed 2 turns
Game 6173963 missed 2 turns
Game 6168712 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 6168252 missed 2 turns
Game 6144535 kicked out for missing 3 turns
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Game 6099043 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 6081994 missed 2 turns
Game 5508072 missed 2 turns
Game 5476768 missed 1 turn
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Game 5280204 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 5278081 missed 2 turns
Game 5240505 missed 1 turn
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Game 5240096 missed 1 turn
Game 5240088 kicked out for missing 3 turns
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Game 5230347 missed 2 turns
Game 5230346 missed 1 turn
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Game 5218488 missed 2 turns
Game 5207262 kicked out for missing 3 turns
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Game 5037692 kicked out for missing 3 turns
Game 5033745 missed 2 turns
Game 5032122 missed 1 turn
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Comments:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

snap, crackle, and pop!

This will be interesting...

Dom has pulled this for AGES, and gotten away with it. It's happened in more than those measly twenty (yes, in this case 20 is measly) but i'm sure Masli has better things to do that troll his game history.

Unfortunately nothing will come of this, and more unfortunate souls who don't have him foed will be deadbeated. It's like Death and Taxes.

Yes. Dom is a formiddable opponent, but if you beat him, he will let you hear about it. And he has been deadbeating like this for years now.

Lets Play Statistics!
Disclaimer: The math below constitutes "sample" statistics on DomQ, and therefore only represents the "population" statistics that would be the True representation of his Deadbeating. However, these statistics will likely be very similar to the population statistics due to the sample size of 300.

Dom has 48 pages of game history, with 4742 games played.

Now each page has 100 games, with the last page having 42 games.

Masli found those 20 games on the first 3 pages of Dom's game history.

20/300 = 6.7% deadbeat rate per game played. This would correspond to 313 deadbeated games total.

Now his win percentage is 54% which makes his loss percentage 46% (he's not a bad player )

So, with 2181 games lost, he deadbeats 14.4% of the time when he looses. Almost 1 in every 6 games...

But wait! In those first three pages (utilizing them as a sort of Sample of his games), he has played 37 team games. We will assume that he wouldn't be enough of an asshole to deadbeat a team game, so:

37/300 = 12.3% games played with teams. This makes the number of total non-team games completed about 4157.

Therefore deadbeat percentage per game played is 20/263 = 7.6%, which would correspond to 316 total non team games deadbeated, and with his loss percentage (yes, his win/loss is probably different but lets roll with it), that brings number of non team games lost to 1912 , and therefore 316/1912 gives us...

16.5% chance of deadbeating a pending loss in a non team game. A definite 1 in 6 games! Nice!

Guys, come on. There is no love loss between Dom and I. But I thought the intentional deadbeating rule was to avoid unfair moves in certain games where missing a turn may be beneficial, or in a point dumping situation. These are games where Dom is clearly defeated and just wants to move on (hell I hate playing games 1v1 after the other guy gets a gr8 drop, goes 1st, and gets gr8 dice). Most of us do this in speed games...especially if we have other things to do! I guess I just don't see the harm here. The other players get their win and the points, just takes 'em a couple extra hours to get them. Perhaps the 3 turn misses are a bit much, but surely the one missed turn games are not that big of a deal. Just a thought, but I guess since I have a premium it doesn't matter much to me. But who really cares about freemiums, they don't pay to be on the site...so why bother defending their 5 game limit? Oh well. Slap Dom is you want, I will enjoy that too

chemefreak wrote:Guys, come on. There is no love loss between Dom and I. But I thought the intentional deadbeating rule was to avoid unfair moves in certain games where missing a turn may be beneficial, or in a point dumping situation. These are games where Dom is clearly defeated and just wants to move on (hell I hate playing games 1v1 after the other guy gets a gr8 drop, goes 1st, and gets gr8 dice). Most of us do this in speed games...especially if we have other things to do! I guess I just don't see the harm here. The other players get their win and the points, just takes 'em a couple extra hours to get them. Perhaps the 3 turn misses are a bit much, but surely the one missed turn games are not that big of a deal. Just a thought, but I guess since I have a premium it doesn't matter much to me. But who really cares about freemiums, they don't pay to be on the site...so why bother defending their 5 game limit? Oh well. Slap Dom is you want, I will enjoy that too

Good point Cheme, but I feel Dom takes it over the line with the 2 turn deadbeats and how often he does them. Another thing to consider is:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

I think that this behavior constitutes holding people hostage, in the sense that they have to be dilligant, watch the game in case he comes back and turns.

Plus, if you are gonna start a game, be enough of a man to finish it.

Missing a single turn isn't deadbeating. The rule was put in place to discourage this very thing.

Your stats are absolutely wrong, since I've 97% of turns taken. Moreover, I take trips outside my home without internet access sometimes.

So your accusations are false. If I'd post a «spurious report» about Mr Changsha, this report too should be spurious. Masli deserves a warning.

DomQuebec wrote:Your stats are absolutely wrong, since I've 97% of turns taken.

FOOL!

How many rounds are there in a game? Each "round" constitutes a turn....

Lets say you have a multi. Lets name her, oh, "Suzy"!

She (you?) has only played 2 games! One of them is a wicked 64 round 8 player flat rate on world 2.1.

In the other, you get screwed with the dice in the first round, and then deadbeat the last two rounds.

Total number of "turns". 67!
Total number of turns taken: 65!
Turn Percentage: 97%
Games deadbeat percentage: 50%

DomQuebec wrote: Moreover, I take trips outside my home without internet access sometimes.

Wow, then it must be divine coincidence that you take these "trips" at the end of a bad game.

I know, send me a list of dates that you took said "trips", and i'll run a correlation analysis...

DomQuebec wrote:Your stats are absolutely wrong, since I've 97% of turns taken. Moreover, I take trips outside my home without internet access sometimes.

No one asked about where you choose to drop hits of acid.

Snowgun wrote: Plus, if you are gonna start a game, be enough of a man to finish it.

You are quite correct my Snowy friend! Amen.

I was also under the impression that the intentional deadbeating rule was in place to stop an unfair advantage being gained, but even then I don't think I have ever seen even a warning given for it. It might be possible to deadbeat out of a 2 on 2 to gain an advantage, but in a singles game all you have done is make sure of your own defeat. Now if it was done as part of an overall secret diplomacy/multi issue then that would be different.

However I don't think the report is spurious as the rules do indeed say that intentionally deadbeating is an unwritten rule that shouldn't be broken. I just don't see how in this case an unfair advantage has been gained. Also, there is no rule against quitting a game you know you've lost. So I think it is the rule (and in my view the pointlessness of it...though someone educate me if I am missing something here) that needs looking at.

neanderpaul14 wrote:

DomQuebec wrote:Your stats are absolutely wrong, since I've 97% of turns taken. Moreover, I take trips outside my home without internet access sometimes.

seemed when u skipped out in our game(the speed game on the top of the game list) u musta had internet access problems? weird how u were more than happy to take ur turns in ur other speed game u were playing at the same time, and u only started to skip when i had the game in my favour. guess ur internet connection only plays up when u losing and is still sweet in ur other games when u winning, what internet plan u on?
i can assure u i didnt find sitting there for 15minutes waiting for the stupid game to finish fun. kinda ruined the whole CC experiance for me, if i was new to this game and the first guy i played did that id be like "this site sucks".
If more people did this kinda behaviour i wouldnt be on this site period. Maybe its time for CC to put a stop to this kinda tarnishing to the game by kicking it in the butt now as so it dosnt become deemed acceptable behaviour

Mr Changsha wrote:I was also under the impression that the intentional deadbeating rule was in place to stop an unfair advantage being gained, but even then I don't think I have ever seen even a warning given for it. It might be possible to deadbeat out of a 2 on 2 to gain an advantage, but in a singles game all you have done is make sure of your own defeat. Now if it was done as part of an overall secret diplomacy/multi issue then that would be different.

However I don't think the report is spurious as the rules do indeed say that intentionally deadbeating is an unwritten rule that shouldn't be broken. I just don't see how in this case an unfair advantage has been gained. Also, there is no rule against quitting a game you know you've lost. So I think it is the rule (and in my view the pointlessness of it...though someone educate me if I am missing something here) that needs looking at.

In my view, the rule isn't pointless due to the significant inconvenience a player such as he is causing to other players through their actions. His systematic deadbeating of games he is losing warrants sanction.

Mr Changsha wrote:I was also under the impression that the intentional deadbeating rule was in place to stop an unfair advantage being gained, but even then I don't think I have ever seen even a warning given for it. It might be possible to deadbeat out of a 2 on 2 to gain an advantage, but in a singles game all you have done is make sure of your own defeat. Now if it was done as part of an overall secret diplomacy/multi issue then that would be different.

However I don't think the report is spurious as the rules do indeed say that intentionally deadbeating is an unwritten rule that shouldn't be broken. I just don't see how in this case an unfair advantage has been gained. Also, there is no rule against quitting a game you know you've lost. So I think it is the rule (and in my view the pointlessness of it...though someone educate me if I am missing something here) that needs looking at.

As big Woody pointed out, I believe the action in questions is more about being a drag on the site in general than a game cheat. For instance, what do the rules about:

Spamming
Trolling
Flaming
Holding players hostage
Bigotry....etc have in common?

They have nothing to do with the gameplay in the sense of a playing advantage or cheating. But they are enforced in order to maintain a tolerable atmosphere on CC. If CC is going to regulate these other rules, I believe that this situation warrents the same treatment.

Looking into this.

DomQuebec has been WARNED for intentional deadbeating.

To clarify:

Deadbeating is not missing a turn here or there.

• Missing a turn for a strategical gain is perfectly allowed, however it is considered as cheap play. Just like it can be in some cases of handing out positions in a fog game, in those kind of cases you should rate/foe accordingly.
• Missing 3 consecutive turns because you had real life come up (taking trips) doesn't institute you as guilty of deadbeating.

Deadbeating is when you purposely miss 3 consecutive turns in a game and get kicked out for unsportsmanlike/malicious/vindictive reasons. (You are sore about a decision that was made in game by another player or something that was said so you decide to drag the game out by missing 3 turns instead of taking your turns on time)

How can we tell?

Just like Semp did in this case DomQ missed 3 consecutive turns in numerous games (deadbeated) but was around during the time of his turns to take turns in other games and post in the forums. So obviously he had the opportunity to take his turns in those games and chose not to.

Why is this against the rules?

Woodies assessment is correct.


Woodruff wrote:In my view, the rule isn't pointless due to the significant inconvenience a player such as he is causing to other players through their actions. His systematic deadbeating of games he is losing warrants sanction.

Deadbeating a game is an inconvenience to the other parties in the game and takes away from the pleasure of gaming on CC therefor it is against the rules.

What? No props for my sweet stats?

*sigh*

Snowgun wrote:What? No props for my sweet stats?

*sigh*

they were sweet

Snowgun wrote:What? No props for my sweet stats?

*sigh*

Very SWEET.

Thanks they helped alot.