Conquer Club

Accused:

Johnny Rockets
usetheforce

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 5915958

Comments: Playing game 5915958, as the log easily shows, they both play a terminator games where Johnny Rockets (premium member) and usetheforce (free member) have respectively the most and the second most, by far, number of troops, yet they almost never attack each other (trading a handful of tanks when 200-300 is each one's total); that could have sense if not for usetheforce keeping attacking everyone else while Johnny Rockets curiously leaves him undisturbed while stacking more and more troops.

Please read the chat log also, you'll find many astonishing genuine pleas to usetheforce to not leave Johnny Rockets unscathed, before I concluded and wrote that there must be something fishy.

You can unfortunately read in the chat log Johnny Rockets saying this exact quote:"But then I'm sure just more excuses will flow. Not that I'm judging, I'm assuming your loyal to the traditions of your national military heritage."; now, I assume he's referring to Italy since I'm from there, regardless of how much I consider it worthy or not, it strikes me as a provocation of racist/nationalist nature, which I'm sure is forbidden by the netiquette. Thus I wish to bring it to the readers' attention.

The log also show many instances of Johnny Rockets starting his turn minutes after usetheforce ended his, though he claims it should be because of the same timezone (both canadians, though afaik canada should host 6 different ones, dunno how they know they share the same). That might be logic, though. However, some are so close that one might wonder whether they share the same timezone or spend all the day at the PC waiting for their notification to play:

2009-12-10 19:10:27 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-10 20:48:39 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

2009-12-11 21:37:49 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-11 21:59:47 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

2009-12-15 17:44:09 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-15 17:45:11 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

2009-12-16 21:54:24 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-16 22:03:48 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

2009-12-17 20:52:16 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-17 21:00:56 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

2009-12-18 22:40:59 - usetheforce ended the turn
2009-12-18 22:47:48 - Johnny Rockets got bonus of 4 troops added to France

What puts the '?' upon my head (though I'm not an expert when it comes to computers) is how can anyone react so often, sometimes less than within 10 minutes, to the fact the previous player took his turn.

Even if notifications are quickly made and sent and received and read, with the recipient immediately rushing to play, is it really possible to achieve that without staying glued to the PC for the most part of the day (doing nothing else but observing CC, of course)? However, I mean without receiving info from the previous player.

I mean, before writing this abuse report, I read that he claims to be 41. Now exactly tell me how a 41 age old guy, supposly with a family, a life, a work (well, about that he could be on Christmas holiday) be able to spend all that time staring the monitor?

I repeat, I do not believe in social network and such, but it seems really too extreme a situation to believe he's always there 'ready to play Conquer Club'. And while I won't be the one checking his case (as it should be, only a third party could do it properly), I'm really curious about how he can perform such feats of speed; though for the sake of privacy, I'll probably won't be told, but it's fine.

Game 5914919

Comments: I did not play this game, checked it because it's another one where both of them play. Not much to say reading the log, just for the fact usetheforce keeps bordering Johnny Rockets while having 1 region, never managing to conquer 1 single region from the latter (though I cannot say he did not try), before being eliminated by Johnny Rockets. Looking at this game I wonder why usetheforce keeps stacking the single region he has, just to be swifty killed after some rounds of co-existance (I wonder whether he stacked 3 troops each rounds to survive and Johnny Rockets managed to kill him anyway while fighting others normally -weird, perhaps bad luck- or usetheforce simply attacked for turns someone different from Johnny Rockets, who killed him when it was convenient).

Conclusion: It smells like Multi or Secret Diplomacy to me, as both logs show no public agreements between them whatsoever, and I do not buy Johnny Rockets' explanation that usetheforce plays that way 'because he's inexperienced'.

It is not so strange to leave one player gaining more...you can assume he'll have to go for it eventually and mop up behind him. The pursuit of balance is IMO the preserve of the decent player...the real cunning bastard thrives on imbalance and then exploits it. A lot of these secret diplomacy accusations are based on this quite spurious belief that the pursuit of balance is the thing...and most of my 1,1,1 ratings have been based on this exact same accusation: "Why aren't you breaking the game leader?"

My point is that one cannot say that there is something fishy going on just because green chooses not to break yellow. Who knows what his long-term plan is...and a game such as yours will only be won by a strong long-term plan. Or as Johnny Rockets suggests: maybe green doesn't have a plan at all and is just chilling. One must always remember that not all the players care as much as you might..you have to factor that into your calculations.

Finally, a couple of games means nothing in this forum. If they had played 10 or more games together and Johnny Rockets was winning a suspiciously large amount then it would be looked at. But this is just one game...the other was a loss for both which hardly strengthens your claim.

Still, you are right to report it if you feel you should.

take this for what its worth, JRock doesnt really give 2 shits enough to cheat, he derives much more pleasure from playing the game and winning small victories over higher ranked arrogant assholes, myself included, (past tense)

Your comments are all quite sound.

Actually, green finally decided to attack yellow, so mine *could* just be one of the wrong assumption you described above.

I will avoid posting the final opinion only once the game is ended, however, since the tide 'started to change' only after I wrote this accusation.

I also thank you for telling me I should report something I think worthy of it.

Johnny? A multi? If I wasn't laughing so hard I might actually have something to say about a freemium making bs accusations about a longtime member because that member isn't playing the way the freemium wants him to....but i'm laughing too hard---c'mere Johnny I'll kiss it and make it better.

Hmmmm......things are not going your way, so I'm a multi, secret alliance cheater.

Things start going better for you, and then "poof" I'm Not.


You sir, have played too few games to make any judgment calls on anyone.

Despite you rank, which you achieved by playing mostly 8 man terminator (yawn), your win% is a joke, and playing your 4 fremium games at a time does not qualify you to critique shit, pal.

Jumping to conclusions and getting snitty because green wasn't playing the way you needed him to play, or him making mistakes that of course upset the balance of the game is no justification to slander MY name just because your used to a certain SAFE and predictable style of play.

Ask Santa for a big glass of credibility this Christmas, fool.

Because your out.

Johnny Rockets

Johnny Rockets wrote:Hmmmm......things are not going your way, so I'm a multi, secret alliance cheater.

Things start going better for you, and then "poof" I'm Not.


You sir, have played too few games to make any judgment calls on anyone.

Despite you rank, which you achieved by playing mostly 8 man terminator (yawn), your win% is a joke, and playing your 4 fremium games at a time does not qualify you to critique shit, pal.

Jumping to conclusions and getting snitty because green wasn't playing the way you needed him to play, or him making mistakes that of course upset the balance of the game is no justification to slander MY name just because your used to a certain SAFE and predictable style of play.

Ask Santa for a big glass of credibility this Christmas, fool.

Because your out.

Johnny Rockets

I decided to quote all your reply, as amusing as it is

It seems, reading it and other comments in this thread (from low rank guys), the credibility is earned making useless posts and playing countless games keeping low in rank, as well as the power to say one's opinion.

Also, it did not escape me the fact some of you seem to treat non premium players like 'lesser', one more reason NOT to desire to become part of it.

I am firmly of the belief that unless you are an actual premium member of this sight you should be seen, not heard-and your baseless complaint just proves I'm correct in my beliefs. You will not hold on to your rank-nor do you know what our ranks were-ohhh but maybe if you were an actual member and played more than four games of terminator at a time-you would know that dice turn on you and there are losing streaks. And if you partner up with high ranks and lose to low ranks-you lose a lot of points-but you don't play "team" games do you. Seriously? Man up. This a war game. Not GO FISH.

MegasWoman wrote:I am firmly of the belief that unless you are an actual premium member of this sight you should be seen, not heard

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Army of GOD wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:I am firmly of the belief that unless you are an actual premium member of this sight you should be seen, not heard

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

i dont even like megaswoman cuz she is a shitty cc player. but i sure do agree with her here.

School is in, Chico.

Credibility is earned by a few factors here.

1) Reputation. How you conduct yourself on the forums, in game chat, and in user groups and clans.

2) Win %

3 Time. As is how long have you been a member on this site

4) Games played. Like as is my 3000+ v.s. your -300

5) Premium vs Fremium. Only because it is an indicator of how seriously you take C.C.

6) Rating and or Feedback

7) Rank.

You decided to pick a hissy fit with the wrong dude, brother. Now your looking more and more like an asshole every time your fingers hit the keyboard.

Just apologize, recant the whole cheating multi accusation and we'll call it a day. You played this game Game 5914919 either poorly, or were a victim of chance and folly of others in the equation. Be a man, and own it.

Johnny Rockets

I honestly dont see the need to rip the freemium up about ur personal views just because he made a report.. the multi hunters will look into it, and figure if he has a real claim or not... regardless whether u feel he deserves to be able to report suspicious behavior or not is not up to u guys, he has that option and he has decided to use it..

Army of GOD wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:TRUTH

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Off topic spam and dribble Army. Nice trolling. Nice baiting. Typical.

I believe this is a vindictive complaint with no evidence to make such a claim.

Now checco has suicided. INTENTIONALLY THROWING A GAME IS A RULE VIOLATION.

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:TRUTH

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Off topic spam and dribble Army. Nice trolling. Nice baiting. Typical.

I believe this is a vindictive complaint with no evidence to make such a claim.

Now checco has suicided. INTENTIONALLY THROWING A GAME IS A RULE VIOLATION.

LoL. Wut?

Baiting? I'm referencing South Park; I'm sorry if you don't get it. If it wasn't funny, I'll take my spanking and be off.

I like Johnny Rockets's posts and he probably isn't a multi (99% sure he isn't). But MegasWoman is off in some insane land of generalizations by saying what she did, which actually did poke an angry response out of me. She's making fun of Checco's gameplay because he has a higher rank than her?

Everybody has made false accusations before. If you haven't, you're either lying or God. Let him be.

Unless he's a butthole about it. Then tear him apart.

I laughed out loud. I wanted to make a, "Finally this guy's busted!" post but it's much too late.

Make racist/nationalist remarks like those you did in the chat log are against the rules, too, and afaik it's much more severe as a violation .

Besides, it's amazing how the replies increased just by the time I went to dinner .

By the way, looking to the game's situation, I'm not sure I committed suicide...there are far less chances that I'll lose now than before I wrote down these accusations and threw half my forces against you (and saw the others follow my example, how strange...), but nice try (Note: Winners don't use caps).

Whatever rabble comes regarding the fact one's opinion should be counted starting from how much time spends on forums and ending with one's chance to play and win the game (my ratings are good, either, I do not see the community despising me)...well, it has no value for me, especially coming from you.

My accusation remains, I think that about facts, you could as well changed green's behaviour in the game according to what I wrote, to avoid ppl thinking I'm right. Sorry, I'm not going to annul my report; your feedback here and in the game could not help you persuade me to do otherwise, too.

As VampireM said, others have the right and power to say whether one is multi or not, I'm simply using an option allowed, the final decision will be taken by others.

By the way, it's pretty clear you like flame wars, but I'm stopping replying here, after all I said and wrote everything I wanted to.

Merry Christmas!

You totally have a right to make the complaint but like him or not Rockets is no multi.

Not suicide? Which game are you talking about? Pink owns you now. with decent dice you are finished.

VampireM wrote:I honestly dont see the need to rip the freemium up about ur personal views just because he made a report.. the multi hunters will look into it, and figure if he has a real claim or not... regardless whether u feel he deserves to be able to report suspicious behavior or not is not up to u guys, he has that option and he has decided to use it..

Yeah, I agree. Premium is how seriously you take CC? I mean, c'mon. Get over it.

I like Johnny and you're 100% wrong in this accusation. But guys, you don't have to be ridiculous assholes about it.

1) Reputation. How you conduct yourself on the forums, in game chat, and in user groups and clans.
Agreed.

2) Win %
17 comic boy 3779 1592 581 (36%) General General 4.9 United Kingdom United Kingdom
28 joecoolfrog 3490 564 146 (26%) Brigadier Brigadier 4.8 United Kingdom United Kingdom

3 Time. As is how long have you been a member on this site
Probably true, too.

4) Games played. Like as is my 3000+ v.s. your -300
Meh. If you're going off the "helpful to CC" thing, it's not like you pay per game. I disagree on this one.

5) Premium vs Fremium. Only because it is an indicator of how seriously you take C.C.
To an extent yes. "Freemiums should be seen, not heard." That's just hilarious.

6) Rating and or Feedback
The rating system is flawed and shouldn't be taken seriously. Feedback, well I guess it was better but I'm not one to talk.

7) Rank.
Yours sucks.

Army of GOD wrote:

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:TRUTH

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Off topic spam and dribble Army. Nice trolling. Nice baiting. Typical.

I believe this is a vindictive complaint with no evidence to make such a claim.

Now checco has suicided. INTENTIONALLY THROWING A GAME IS A RULE VIOLATION.

LoL. Wut?

Baiting? I'm referencing South Park; I'm sorry if you don't get it. If it wasn't funny, I'll take my spanking and be off.

I like Johnny Rockets's posts and he probably isn't a multi (99% sure he isn't). But MegasWoman is off in some insane land of generalizations by saying what she did, which actually did poke an angry response out of me. She's making fun of Checco's gameplay because he has a higher rank than her?

Everybody has made false accusations before. If you haven't, you're either lying or God. Let him be.

Unless he's a butthole about it. Then tear him apart.

Lets see if Army can find this quote ... "It seems, reading it and other comments in this thread (from low rank guys)," in a post prior to mine....Hmmmmmm...wonder who said it.....why dont you find it, read it, then read my response-maybe a lightbulb will go off in your head.

MegasWoman wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

MegasWoman wrote:TRUTH

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Off topic spam and dribble Army. Nice trolling. Nice baiting. Typical.

I believe this is a vindictive complaint with no evidence to make such a claim.

Now checco has suicided. INTENTIONALLY THROWING A GAME IS A RULE VIOLATION.

LoL. Wut?

Baiting? I'm referencing South Park; I'm sorry if you don't get it. If it wasn't funny, I'll take my spanking and be off.

I like Johnny Rockets's posts and he probably isn't a multi (99% sure he isn't). But MegasWoman is off in some insane land of generalizations by saying what she did, which actually did poke an angry response out of me. She's making fun of Checco's gameplay because he has a higher rank than her?

Everybody has made false accusations before. If you haven't, you're either lying or God. Let him be.

Unless he's a butthole about it. Then tear him apart.

Lets see if Army can find this quote ... "It seems, reading it and other comments in this thread (from low rank guys)," in a post prior to mine....Hmmmmmm...wonder who said it.....why dont you find it, read it, then read my response-maybe a lightbulb will go off in your head.

maybe a lightbulb will finally go off in your head with what bogan and others have been trying to teach you as far as strategy goes. why dont you learn to play cc before you try the forums on for size. and being that you are a "mega" woman. i am guessing that size isnt petite.

MegasWoman wrote:Lets see if Army can find this quote ... "It seems, reading it and other comments in this thread (from low rank guys)," in a post prior to mine....Hmmmmmm...wonder who said it.....why dont you find it, read it, then read my response-maybe a lightbulb will go off in your head.

Maybe your point is so blatantly obvious and is staring me straight in the face and I'm missing it (trust me, I do that too often), but I don't get it. Maybe your post was sarcastic and I'm taking it the wrong way?

Assuming you were serious:

You don't have to be a "premium" member to realize there are streaks in the dice. I know that and I've been playing less than all of you. HE'S been playing for 6 days longer than you, too, so I don't think that's the case.

All in all, bringing rank or membership into the picture at all is completely irrelevant. It has less to do with this case than a McDonald's hamburger. Only people who frequent the fora (forums, fori, foren, etc.) know that Johnny Rockets is a great guy and that he would never do something as lame as make a multi for arbitrary Interwebz points.

Checco doesn't, so he made an honest (or so I think) accusation. Get off his back.

Good lord Checco is the one that made the rank comment-I was responding. And yes, sarcastically. Keep in mind a 4 game losing streak is a lot different (and a lot less points) then a freaking 20 game losing streak.

Ron just cuz my parrot thought your dick was a small insect and ate it doesn't mean you need to take it out on me. Not like you used it anyway. Geez. Don't hate.

MegasWoman wrote:Good lord Checco is the one that made the rank comment-I was responding. And yes, sarcastically. Keep in mind a 4 game losing streak is a lot different (and a lot less points) then a freaking 20 game losing streak.

Ron just cuz my parrot thought your dick was a small insect and ate it doesn't mean you need to take it out on me. Not like you used it anyway. Geez. Don't hate.

i will leave this battle cuz your "brethren" have begged me to stop picking on you.

remember one thing though. i like skinny girls, but i would never turn down a fattie.....

puff puff pass