Conquer Club

Accused:

hardcore



The accused are suspected of:


Other: Serial n00b farming.


Game number(s):

Game 6071265
Game 6071264
Game 6060011
Game 6060010
Game 6060009
Game 6060008
Game 5952583

And many, many more.


Comments: I saw this in Questions and Answers and felt it had to be properly reported. This case seems pretty cut and dry. All of these are new games, they haven't been sitting on the join games page until they reached the top of the page, which may lure n00bs into them. Also all these players are brand new players, they joined the games in question on their first day on the site. This guy has to be inviting the newest recruits from the main forum page.

Also some of these players join the site and a game even though they were only on the site for 1 minute total, here's just one of many that did this:
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=374532
Many more like this. I find this highly suspicious.

What is "Serial n00b farming"?

Serial n00b farming...think of it as a serial killer.

Serial killer: A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than thirty days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.[3][4] Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. The murders may have been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, for example occupation, race, appearance, gender, or age group.
-Wikipedia

Now reword it to conquer terms:

A serial n00b is a person who farms three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than three or four games, with a "cooling off" period between each farming, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.[3][4] Often, a sexual element is involved with the farming. The murders may have been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, their rank.


Now to the topic. This is farming, pure farming. There is a very small chance that 1 game would have 4 new recruits in it...now having 5 of those games is prety darn near impossible. Those recruits are either his own accounts in which case he is a multi OR he does indeed stalk newbs through forums and invites them to his games where he fullfills his sexual gratification (couldn't help myself). Ranks give too much motivation for farming, this is a sad story of conquer club.

We are already looking into this.

Igor89 wrote:Serial n00b farming...think of it as a serial killer.

Serial killer: A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than thirty days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.[3][4] Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. The murders may have been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, for example occupation, race, appearance, gender, or age group.
-Wikipedia

Now reword it to conquer terms:

A serial n00b is a person who farms three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than three or four games, with a "cooling off" period between each farming, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.[3][4] Often, a sexual element is involved with the farming. The murders may have been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, their rank.


Now to the topic. This is farming, pure farming. There is a very small chance that 1 game would have 4 new recruits in it...now having 5 of those games is prety darn near impossible. Those recruits are either his own accounts in which case he is a multi OR he does indeed stalk newbs through forums and invites them to his games where he fullfills his sexual gratification (couldn't help myself). Ranks give too much motivation for farming, this is a sad story of conquer club.

LOL thanks Igor that made me laugh.

I have partnered with hardcore in many trips games on the Middle East map. I doubt there would be intentional noob farming from him on the map, he plays it because he knows the map well and is good at it. I think if he was asked he would rather play against the higher ranks.

The solution to this is to block noobs from joining games against people with 2000+ points, in a similar fashion as they block noobs from certain maps. If hardcore was joining the games that had noobs in it then its a different story, but he is creating the games, so unless he is sending out invites to the noobs then I see no way that he can be guilty of anything.

wasn't Kraptone found guilty of something extremely similar to this in the last month? So shouldn't this verdict be the same as his

wow this is hardcore

its not his fault n00bs joined his damn games. yea he could have dropped them but he should not HAVE to

Thanks for helping me post this in the right spot neanderpaul14. I just noticed after this noob who joined one of my games. I clicked on him and found him in a game with 4 other noobs and the creator: hardcore. Then I checked out hardcore's games and it was shocking. I bet he's abusing the invite option that premium has which is not cheating but game abuse. This is the thread he was referring to: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=103475

TeeGee wrote:I have partnered with hardcore in many trips games on the Middle East map. I doubt there would be intentional noob farming from him on the map, he plays it because he knows the map well and is good at it. I think if he was asked he would rather play against the higher ranks.

The solution to this is to block noobs from joining games against people with 2000+ points, in a similar fashion as they block noobs from certain maps. If hardcore was joining the games that had noobs in it then its a different story, but he is creating the games, so unless he is sending out invites to the noobs then I see no way that he can be guilty of anything.

don't you find it impossible to have 10 games where its all 5 players and each has a major and 4 recruits? He has to be abusing the invites. I would want that to get to a higher rank (although it'll be boring as he11 lol)

caymanmew wrote:wow this is hardcore

Donald Fung wrote:don't you find it impossible to have 10 games where its all 5 players and each has a major and 4 recruits? He has to be abusing the invites. I would want that to get to a higher rank (although it'll be boring as he11 lol)

no, not at all. if he is sending invites then yea he's farming, but if the n00bs are joining his game i dont think he should get in trouble

Donald Fung wrote:don't you find it impossible to have 10 games where its all 5 players and each has a major and 4 recruits? He has to be abusing the invites. I would want that to get to a higher rank (although it'll be boring as he11 lol)

Not at all.

P.S. "he11?" Really?

alex951 wrote:

Donald Fung wrote:don't you find it impossible to have 10 games where its all 5 players and each has a major and 4 recruits? He has to be abusing the invites. I would want that to get to a higher rank (although it'll be boring as he11 lol)

no, not at all. if he is sending invites then yea he's farming, but if the n00bs are joining his game i dont think he should get in trouble

however CC did kinda set a precedent when they busted Kraptone for basically the exact same thing

If he is sending out invites to noobs then i will personally kick his arse, but I personally can't see him doin that, the guy has enough skill on this map on his own.

At first I figured it was a recent thing, and figured he didnt even know it would happen, but its not the first time, hes attracted and swept a ton of these games with New recruits joining most of them. Its impossible to think it wasnt the objective.

4811513 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* thorkolb n/a
* mr 316 4.6
* shaman46 4.7
* GARRET559 n/a

4737308 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* frajer.com n/a
* emonafan 4.9
* gtaju 1.0
* agentj994 4.7

4737307 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* remo n/a
* anthony1954 3.0
* Zestastic 3.9
* ein9 4.5

4737306 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* StoneBone 4.8
* GBOrion 4.7
* David68 4.5
* raffah 4.6

4544830 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* archit14 1.0
* SloppyNick 4.9
* juca 1.0
* Kancon 4.2

4544829 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* TellMeDark 4.7
* j2rink 2.5
* Mujahida 4.6
* Biase 4.6

4544828 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* callyg n/a
* jgarr1380 n/a
* al7rbi n/a
* lildrk1 5.0

4544827 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* sirgian n/a
* DAZZY12 3.0
* alterbeast 5.0
* Sir Carlsberg 2.0

4544826 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* unhinged420 n/a
* Didonatron 4.7
* Toxic Lemon n/a
* mortishire 3.7

4544825 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* fine1 3.2
* maurvala 4.0
* Earl Hunt 3.8
* maximegousse 4.7

4544824 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Lucky6 4.6
* Billy Bareham 4.4
* tokle 4.5
* Sumadinac SLO 4.5

4511172 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Tammerlane 4.7
* yosi 4.6
* Mike2444 3.8
* kezza5575 4.7

4511171 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* roath 4.7
* Imad1 1.0
* GreenBaize 4.8
* duceorbis 4.7

4511170 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* powell17 4.8
* Woodruff 4.7
* biff48 3.0
* jarabefull 4.6

4511169 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Ednargocat n/a
* ewoks n/a
* davmac 4.7
* Ethanwffan n/a

4511168 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* comunistconquer 3.0
* divinebe 1.0
* pmul 4.7
* demon2angel 4.5

4511167 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* tiagomergulhao 4.5
* Laredo 4.8
* KaiserKent 4.5
* hurbie76 4.7

4511166 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* fadidnor 4.0
* eliekh 2.5
* parpar10 4.0
* sicilianboy1 4.7

4511165 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Kalalau 4.8
* Fladoren 2.3
* spad 4.7
* Zedus Maximus 4.9

4511163 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* stlouis 4.6
* Fenney1796 n/a
* Picsel 2.7
* Kakashai 4.9

4511162 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Mike2444 3.8
* cuttysark 5.0
* moro 4.5
* yosi 4.6

4511161 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Mike2444 3.8
* SXIII 4.3
* AIF 4.6
* rossmac84 4.3

4511160 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* honestvince 3.3
* ann_99u 1.0
* yuliaaa n/a
* yosi 4.6

4429727 Enter Game Triples
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* hardcore 4.6
* marcalexandre 4.6
* Jennybh 4.8
* Dick_TaterTot 4.8
* BruinMBA 4.8
* usidyr 4.5

4429719 Enter Game Triples
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* hardcore 4.6
* dschulman 4.8
* kw 4.7
* CDravland 4.6
* cybermen 4.3
* killerhashbrown 4.7

4424713 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* FJFJ 4.0
* Hearken 4.5
* Polar Squad 4.7
* sebas_staphorst 4.8

4424711 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* conrad88 n/a
* jes3918 3.0
* pasquee2 4.7
* korbo996 4.5

4424710 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* igfreed 2.9
* slimseaninak 3.0
* aquaboy92 n/a
* Cr0okKid n/a

4424709 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* Naala 1.0
* Lopik 4.3
* Brad.Carter 4.4
* PrestonG 3.3

4424708 Enter Game Standard
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* hardcore 4.6
* dearxz3vil 1.0
* Hernanduer 4.3
* uNEveRhaDachance 4.6
* Naala 1.0

wow

you guys make me laugh. who ever says i am farming does not know me or has never teamed up with me, for if you did there is no way you would suggest what your suggesting. i start a game then start playing it when it is full. i dont even look to see who is joining them. i will play who ever when ever i dont care about there rank infact i dont even care about my own rank so feel free to strip me of it. i have been playing this game at this site for a few years now because i enjoy the game. for those of you who think im farming here is your invite stop crying and bitching over something that really i do not have a lot of control over and join one of my games i dont discriminate at all i dont care who i beat come one come all. oh and for the record the only time i send out invites to play games is if i want to take on a team in triples. and usally that team i want to take on would have to have at least a major or two in it. please feel free to look into what ever it is you want i have nothing to hide. also please anything you wish to know or are not sure of just ask for my integrety is in tact here

kind regards

HARDCORE

p.s. there is more in life then CC try going out your front door

Jace22 wrote:

alex951 wrote:

Donald Fung wrote:don't you find it impossible to have 10 games where its all 5 players and each has a major and 4 recruits? He has to be abusing the invites. I would want that to get to a higher rank (although it'll be boring as he11 lol)

no, not at all. if he is sending invites then yea he's farming, but if the n00bs are joining his game i dont think he should get in trouble

however CC did kinda set a precedent when they busted Kraptone for basically the exact same thing

which is complete bull shit. new recruits should have to play 5 practice games where they lose 0 points and gain 0 point then after the 5 games they'll have to finish 5 more games to receive a rank.

I have just been informed about this post today by hardcore at at dinner today and can not believe what I have heard and now read.....neanderpaul you are really clutching at straws here pal and wasting a lot of peoples time.

In your games listed you failed to reference games 6071262, 6071263, 6077666, 6077667 which are all created at the same time and are not all noobs. Surely if he was farming these games would all be noobs too. Additionally you haven't obviously checked through his finished games list as you would find that he plays the two maps in question and there are a lot of finished ones that are full of high ranked players.

Hardcore, my very good friend personally outside of CC is by no means a noob farmer. I play with him all the time and we have laughed our heads off at this post today....Its unbvelievable.

This noob farming thing is really starting to get out of hand. CC gives us all who have premium to create as many games as we choose to create and who joins them is really out of our hands. Yes really out of off our hands even if we invite them because the invitee can always refuse. Not that hardcore goes around inviting noobs to his games.

If noobs joining games that higher ranked players create is really becoming a problem for everyone (or a few) in cc how about asking the moderators to put a bar on the noobs from joining higher ranked players games... ie noobs can only join games that were created by a corporal or lower. This would be the better solution to the so called farming.

nudge wrote:
If noobs joining games that higher ranked players create is really becoming a problem for everyone (or a few) in cc how about asking the moderators to put a bar on the noobs from joining higher ranked players games... ie noobs can only join games that were created by a corporal or lower. This would be the better solution to the so called farming.

yeah CC should do that so ? players could learn first I lost like my first 15 games cause I didn't know wtf I was doing

so what now thats what i would like to know

hardcore wrote:so what now thats what i would like to know

you start a trips game.. invite me and nudge to be on your team..and invite some of the other poster who think you are farming to join team 2

you can then show them how good you are on the middle east map

Donald Fung wrote:

nudge wrote:
If noobs joining games that higher ranked players create is really becoming a problem for everyone (or a few) in cc how about asking the moderators to put a bar on the noobs from joining higher ranked players games... ie noobs can only join games that were created by a corporal or lower. This would be the better solution to the so called farming.

yeah CC should do that so ? players could learn first I lost like my first 15 games cause I didn't know wtf I was doing

I it all makes sense now, you got beat heaps so decide to complain..ie cry in forums that hardcore is a farmer.

TeeGee wrote:

hardcore wrote:so what now thats what i would like to know

you start a trips game.. invite me and nudge to be on your team..and invite some of the other poster who think you are farming to join team 2

you can then show them how good you are on the middle east map

Yeah I'm with you TG , lets do it hardcore

nudge wrote:

TeeGee wrote:

hardcore wrote:so what now thats what i would like to know

you start a trips game.. invite me and nudge to be on your team..and invite some of the other poster who think you are farming to join team 2

you can then show them how good you are on the middle east map

Yeah I'm with you TG , lets do it hardcore

can you put in a complaint about people being serial pussies lol