krusher & BlackIrish - [See Linked Thread For Verdict]

[happy2seeyou]

No one is posting any new evidence, just going back and forth with the same stuff. Why don't you just let the mods look into it and stop the bickering.

Anyone with PMs from krusher, should take a screen shot and post it.

[THORNHEART]

obviously codeblue doesnt WANT to post that screen shot because it would incriminate another player that he is friends with(or he dont have i) why else would he care about whos name showing on it.

as i said soliciting people is a 2 way track so u cant have an issue wit only krush unless the other guy u wont mention is ur friend

[krusher]

I'm not apologizing for anything I won fair and square I didnt cheat and I will say again what people do in my games is not my fault or my responsability all I care about is winning if you f*ck up ill go in and steal the win if I see an opening I will go in and take it if you cant handle this then dont play with me but dont make up bow shit accusations and I can easily take a screen shoot and edit it and make it look like the original thing and post it here a persons opinion/accusation is not evidence it just means they have something against me which is not surprising since all these guys who are trying to get me in trouble have lost games against me and cant stand me moving up the rank so fast your right though let the admins come to a conclusion them selfs.

[codeblue1018]

I'm not apologizing for anything I won fair and square I didnt cheat and I will say again what people do in my games is not my fault or my responsability all I care about is winning if you f*ck up ill go in and steal the win if I see an opening I will go in and take it if you cant handle this then dont play with me but dont make up bow shit accusations and I can easily take a screen shoot and edit it and make it look like the original thing and post it here a persons opinion/accusation is not evidence it just means they have something against me which is not surprising since all these guys who are trying to get me in trouble have lost games against me and cant stand me moving up the rank so fast your right though let the admins come to a conclusion them selfs.

I dont hate losing to you Krush. I enjoy the game and LEARN things from you. Whats to hate about that? I am not trying to get you in trouble. Also, as previously stated, I wanted you at the #1 spot as I feel your that good. So, if that makes me bad, then, so be it!

[krusher]

right is that why you join these other losers who are trying to take a stab at me to see me faul by making up shit?

[BlackIrish]

You have no evidence saying your NOT guilty....

That's why you're not a lawyer.

Presumption of innocence is the basis for all lega proceedings in the modern world.

I don't have to prove that I wasn't flying the plane that crashed into 9/11, you have to prove I was, even if I am a well known outspoken jihadist. Simple enough really.

1) I dont want to be a lawyer
2) this is not a court room
3) More people say he is a secret alliance than not exluding krusher and Ak i say its 3 to none so majority rules

EDIT: actually more than 3 but 3 since i looked at it

Continue staying on the forums and off the games - it is your best bet.

[Prankcall]

I will personally say that when u went for the kill on me and seen u were going to come up short ..I think it woulda been like 11 vs ur 9 but u had to come across 2 lands still..Black Irish had a 6 right by me and he attacked me until he was down to a one and let u come in and kill me game #1180496..After i called them on it i went on his ignore but its good

[wicked]

looking into this and I don't want to have to read anymore bickering before I finish.

If someone has some solid evidence either way on this, please PM me. Thanks.

[wicked]

This is a serious allegation currently being discussed. I'm reopening this thread in case anyone has any other people you suspect krusher of having a secret alliance with. It seems to have been implied he has other "friends" who help him as well. If anyone has evidence of this, please post here.

If Krusher and BlackIrish wish to further respond to these allegations, they are free to post here. Krusher, if you could explain that PM to poo-maker, that would help. If you would like to discuss it in private, please PM either me or Twill.

Everyone else, we'd appreciate it if you could keep the conversation to a minimum unless you have something of substance to add to what's already been said. This is a long thread to go through, let's not make it any longer than necessary. We appreciate everyone's opinions, but the more "extra" stuff we have to read that's not a post of substance, the harder it is for us to pull out the important information. Thank you all for your help. We will be quick to lock this down again if it gets out of hand.

[AK_iceman]

From: xxxx
To: AK_iceman
Posted: 16 Nov 2007 14:47
Subject: Blackirish/krusher
I have been looking at a couple of their games and they do look dodgy - I started to get suspicious a few days ago when I invited Krusher to a private game and guess who joined.....yep blackirish !!!!!!!

[hulmey]

Seems that the only reason this is on going is because an ex-Mod brought up this allegation!!!

Friends of friends bullshit no doubt....Friggin losers!!!

[hulmey]

Furthermore...if im wrong and he is cheating than all parties in this secret alliance should be banned for life!!

[alex_white101]

im just wondering but has anyone had a look to see how blackirish plays in other games without krusher? maybe hes just a noob with very bad understanding and does it in all of his games. just a thought to make sure all the angles are checked.

[comic boy]

I invited Krusher to a private game and it was joined by Blackirish, all the other invitees are known well to me and they would NOT have given out my password. I was puzzled at first but now assume that Blackirish was asked to join in order to suicide me ( Krusher was below me on points at the time ) Some of us work bloody hard to hold our rank and it really disilusions me that certain people are using such underhand tactics to get ahead.

[krusher]

you gave out the pw to atleast 25+ people so dont single me out like that, and I made clear I dont like sequentials why would you even invite me in the first place?

funny how only now every one is coming out with there own theorys and accusations to try to get me banned but like I said I gained my points whether you believe it or not so clear my points/ban krusher/block me from playing with irish ill be back on top in less then 4 months again with a new account and new name because you can deleate one account "Krusher" but you cant stop my strategy that got me there in the first place ill just prove to you all that you were wrong and that I did not need to cheat. I been suicidet on plenty of times when people had no chanse of killing me and yet I never made a fuss about it face it you guys are all here because you cant stand losing against me and you ask why do I put you all on ignore list? because you guys dont believe that I can with 50% of my 6 player games without cheating but once again I say go check my win % of games with or without black Irish go check my games with complete strangers that I never played with and you will see that my score holds up with out without Irish and with or without any one else that I play with regularly (which is not my fault I host 6 player games everyday I have very little saying who joins and what they do in my game) which is evidence that I dont control them in any way.

as far as the fake PM's go I can make one just like it and make up an aleborate lie against Poo or code or AK so how can this be your evidence if it could of easily been manipulated, changed and bent to your own opinion?

[krusher]

Seems that the only reason this is on going is because an ex-Mod brought up this allegation!!!

Friends of friends bullshit no doubt....Friggin losers!!!

your absolutly right!

[Risktaker17]

I have played a lot of games with Krusher and BlackIrish. Especially BlackIrish. BlackIrishis my doubles partner and we play a lot of other games where we aren't teamed. All the non-team games we play, even if he has no chance to win he won't even let me even though there will be fewer points to lose. I think this is a load of bullshit accusations against Krusher. and Blackirish. Black Irish is so concerned with points, whenever I talk to him on Aim he always says that he might be captain. It makes no sense. These accusations have no support. People make things up because they can't win 6 player free esc against Krush. They want to punish him for being skilled. Well Krush and BlackIrish I really hope you don't get banned I decided to do what I could to dfend you guys. I don't wanna lose my doubles partner. So come on let go of these allegations.

[comic boy]

I have played a lot of games with Krusher and BlackIrish. Especially BlackIrish. BlackIrishis my doubles partner and we play a lot of other games where we aren't teamed. All the non-team games we play, even if he has no chance to win he won't even let me even though there will be fewer points to lose. I think this is a load of bullshit accusations against Krusher. and Blackirish. Black Irish is so concerned with points, whenever I talk to him on Aim he always says that he might be captain. It makes no sense. These accusations have no support. People make things up because they can't win 6 player free esc against Krush. They want to punish him for being skilled. Well Krush and BlackIrish I really hope you don't get banned I decided to do what I could to dfend you guys. I don't wanna lose my doubles partner. So come on let go of these allegations.

Thats all very well but if Krusher asked other players to throw games thats cheating - surely you can see that !

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I have played a lot of games with Krusher and BlackIrish. Especially BlackIrish. BlackIrishis my doubles partner and we play a lot of other games where we aren't teamed. All the non-team games we play, even if he has no chance to win he won't even let me even though there will be fewer points to lose. I think this is a load of bullshit accusations against Krusher. and Blackirish. Black Irish is so concerned with points, whenever I talk to him on Aim he always says that he might be captain. It makes no sense. These accusations have no support. People make things up because they can't win 6 player free esc against Krush. They want to punish him for being skilled. Well Krush and BlackIrish I really hope you don't get banned I decided to do what I could to dfend you guys. I don't wanna lose my doubles partner. So come on let go of these allegations.

Thats all very well but if Krusher asked other players to throw games thats cheating - surely you can see that !

is this kinda like the Blitz-Dug episode ?

[comic boy]

Nah Dug only hated one person wheras Krusher pretty much hates everybody ( bar a few buddies )

[wicked]

guys please. if you don't have anything NEW and of SUBSTANCE to add, please refrain from posting until all the mods have had a chance to read the thread. Thanks.

[krusher]

I would really like if this matter was resolved faster so I can get my name cleared and focus on playing instead of having to defend my self I have a clean mind but I cant stand all the bs pm's of people asking why did I cheat or why am I cheating and asking me if i will teach them how to cheat lol... and if you check my recent 2 games you will see that I won both of them without any of my so called "friends" on it only profing that I dont need to cheat to win.

[rebelman]

One of the games involving black irish was watched by a number of us in live chat a few days ago (both myself and point guard were following it and i think clapper011 and possibly khaz were watching it as well as we were discussing it as it unfolded in chat.

what seemed really strange about this game was krusher was left holding continents gaining their bonus with just 1s and nothing else yet neither blackirish or jesusreigns would break him.

a few other items we noted in chat about this game were:

i was stopped from entering it (I was placed on ignore by Krusher to block me) - if this game was a "set up" the last thing he needed in there was a loose cannon like me

this game was set up immediately after he lost 2 games to the same player causing him to drop below 3.5k.

after krusher won this game thus putting him over 3.5k again, blackirish and jesusreigns were "rewarded" with some team games with krusher which the were always likely to win

net result of all this - krusher is well over 3.5k again and the above 2 players are not down pts as despite what they did in the game they are "paid" for their efforts by the team game which also got krusher some more points.

i realise i may sound like a conspiracy theorist and that is why i did not post this at the time. But having read this thread I wanted the mods and other relevant parties to be aware of the above - as a few days on given what has now emerged it seems there may be some truth in this "conspiracy theory".

[rebelman]

further to my above post this is the game we watched in live chat:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... 9#map-cell

these are the two games he had just lost -causing him to drop below 3.5k:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... 8#map-cell

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... 0#map-cell

this is the "reward for services rendered" game:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... 0#map-cell

please check the times on these games and you can see the chronology clearly

[krusher]

I only played 1 triples game with black irish and jesus and thats because they asked me to (after they saw how good I was in my 6 player games). so basicly what your saying is that I cant play doubles or triples games with any one who join my normal 6 player games? every one here has played atleast 1 or 2 standard games with a doubles partner in it so wtf... I'm the only one who cant play a person more then twice in a row or else i get accused of secret alliance? and I didnt see any one watching the games you posted above all I see is more bow shit evidence of games with me and irish in it and a bunch of conspiracy theorys. by the way in freestyle games you dont need soldiers protecting your borders of continent all you have to do is be the last to deploy get it all back and fort all soldiers that you used to attack the continent back to your next target. for example if I had 16 guys to deploy to take africa and the only thing I needed to do is attack egypt and take the continent (classic 2.0 map) I would wait to the last 20 secs attack egypt and advance all to my next target like middle east then I would end my turn get my card and not leave any one any time left to brake my bonus of 1's this is a common blitz strategy one attack fuels the other nothing strange about this its a strategy and every one knows bonus rarely matter in escalading card games when they are worth 40+ guys why would some one suicide on me to brake a bonus worth 3 knowing i had a set to turn in worth 40 to take it all back and possibly kill him/her?

Ps. I played 500 games, only 17 of those have been games with blackirish (3.4% of my total games). I won only 7 of those thats 1.4% of my total games. and only 0.4% wins out of my current 62% wins. I win an average of 43 points per game and lose an average of 33 when I lose. if you add that up it comes down to 301 points gained and 330 points lost which is a total point loss of 29 points now explain to me how we had a secret alliance when I actually came out of the games in total with a loss of 29 points it does not add up we would have to be mentally challenged to have a secret alliance and still come out with negative 29 points, usually people make secret alliances to gain points not to lose them...