Gen.LeeGettinhed [warned]

[trapyoung]

unctuously

good word

[ljex]

GLG - Your interpretation of flaming is rather ludicrous if you think there is anything remotely provocative in the PM I sent out. The respondents were perfectly at liberty to answer "Yes", "No" or to not comment at all. And your math isn't correct whatsoever. Of over 1,000 1v1 games you have been in I PM'd merely 81 (3 x batches of 27) of your opponents. Of that sample size I received 11 negative replies, 1 positive, and 69 did not reply.

I'd say 11 out of 12 respondents not being comfortable with the method in which you drew them into a game is a rather telling majority.

The question now is whether I take the time to poll the remaining 924 players for even more overwhelming evidence.

In the meantime you are perfectly entitled to copy/paste my PM and send it out to all my past opponents should you feel it contained any unfair bias against those who seek to gain an advantage at others' expense.

Oh...and if you want a good example of a flame/bait then look no further than your own back yard:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=167295&start=0

while yes 11/12 is how many responded negatively...i would guess that those with a negative feeling from the experience would be way more likely to respond than those with a positive. Still a pretty large percentage even if we just take 11/87 but its hard to tell in situations like this what the true percentage of negative respondents is.

And a much larger percentage of newer players would not be savvy enough regarding the nuances of Conquerclub, its farmers and abusers, to pay any notice to the mail from an eccentric member on a mission.
Personally, i'm amazed how many people responded and it shows what a negative force the accused is. He's the teacher, the authority figure, unctuously grooming the uninitiated toward his unpleasant ends.

I completely agree, it is a very large number of people to speak out against this style of play form the perspective of those who joined. But i dont think we can go so far as to say 11/12 is all i was saying.

[rhp 1]

again with this... whether you like it or not, what GLG does is not against the rules.. until CC makes it against the rules, these threads are mild entertainment at best...

[sherkaner]

again with this... whether you like it or not, what GLG does is not against the rules.. until CC makes it against the rules, these threads are mild entertainment at best...

I think you're wrong, the rules follow from the idea that CC should be an enjoyable experience for all players, and players that cause a less enjoyable experience a lot should get some kind of warning/punishment. Maybe if you follow the letter of the rules, GLG isn't guilty. But if you look at the spirit of the rules, he definately is.

So I guess I'm totally agreeing with CoF in this case.

[Evolution299]

When are we going to learn. GLG isn't going to get any sort of punishment. He has a picture of someone who is high up in the CC world, naked with a farm animal attached to themselves, or something along those lines.

I am seeing the ruling now:

GLG - CLEARED - KA

[betiko]

i must say the survey is a little biaised...
it's a bit like sending a letter to voters and tell them "you just lived 4 years of cheaps politics from obama, he screwed you and made you look like a fool. would you vote for him again?" of course 90% would answer no just because of the way it's asked.
the best would've been to ask more if they thought what they learned from the game was worht the points loss and if they would do it again..
just a thought! otherwise i think it was a very good idea to make this kind of survey.

[jiminski]

i must say the survey is a little biaised...
it's a bit like sending a letter to voters and tell them "you just lived 4 years of cheaps politics from obama, he screwed you and made you look like a fool. would you vote for him again?" of course 90% would answer no just because of the way it's asked.
the best would've been to ask more if they thought what they learned from the game was worht the points loss and if they would do it again..
just a thought! otherwise i think it was a very good idea to make this kind of survey.

(shoe-horning in anti Obama sentiment - 10/10
cogent point - 2/10)

But i think if you were to put the question as you did to the US electorate then only those who were actually disillusioned by Obama's performance would respond negatively. In that way i think your analogy is valid but with precisely the opposite conclusion to that which you indicated.
i.e. people will only respond negatively to Chariots' mail if they feel they were shafted by the accused.

[hotfire]

1)THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT:
005% chance of loss at 80-100 pts = -4.00 to -5.00 ~ -4.500
095% chance of gain at 5 - 4 pts = +4.75 to +3.80 ~ +4.275
100% chance net gain/loss of pts = ......................-.025.. . . I happen to be on the better side of that

you are current 279 points ahead of rank 2...at -.025 points every 20 games(if you ever magically lose one game in 20) you should only remain conqueror for (279 X 20)/.025 = 223,200 more games.. you sir are a great humanitarian giving so generously

i misunderstood the numbers...223,200 is 20 times too high....11,160 is the correct number...my apologies.

[Jdsizzleslice]

no doubt he will be cleared again as he always is but the constant reports in C&A keep this issue fresh and highlight that the CC community is unhappy with the current system of farming or ranching rules and they need to be changed. While the admins have promised change or atleast they look into it we all know that takes a long time for anything to happen.

i still cant see how this doesnt fall under gross abuse of the game, he contacts unsuspecting low ranked people and gets them to play in games on hard settings and difficult maps that they dont know anything about under the premise of "teaching them".The fact that CoF has proven that GLG coerses people to join games should fall under gross abuse of the game.

- Abuse of the invitation system?

Conquer club clearly does not allow you to invite players to speed games. He finds a way to skirt this issue and bring unsuspecting players into speed games they are not familiar with.

Our entire leaderboard and score system is a joke. The conqueror title has been a mockery of this site since I joined it back in 2007. It never represents the best strategist, but instead always represents who spends the most time watching freestyle games or can lure the most players into speed freestyle games.

I wish something would be done to stop this and make that a position people respect and actually try to achieve.

ouch. this iis not gonna be so easy to get out of for glg

Looks like a bit of a personal thing now, but the picture from the PM's is quite obvious. This should be in the site's definition of farming.

Sorry GLG but I don't think this is spurious at all. by the examples that COF has produced, it seems that no everyone is happy with playing games with you, like you like to portray.

On a side note you might be putting up 80 points in a game to play against these players, but you have around a 95% chance or higher to win, so its really not much of a gamble. Try playing an easy map and they say you are risking 80 points a game. Then someone might care.

And I doubt that you send out emails one at a time. Until I told you to stop blasting me with emails, I was getting emails from you when ever my ranking got to a certain score. And I was receiving them on the same day.

You will skate on this charge as well, more than likely, but one day the powers that be will change the rules for the betterment of this site and its paying customers, and you sir, will be out of business as a rancher.

3) as far as getting PM's from me, FOE me. I don't blast, but send out 1 at at time. CC admin can confirm that.

Foeing does not stop PMs.

i think the most relevant part was already quoted from the community guidelines:

"Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place"


GLG has continually made this community less enjoyable for many, not only through his systematic invitation abuse but also through his trolling and constant need to be the center of attention whether good or bad.

another recent example of his trying to be clever in skirting the rules is his blatantly flaming new tournament title "30-GLG Haywood Jablomie Memorial COFxxx - Classic Ass (open)".
in light of past conflict with Chariot of Fire (commonly known as CoF) i don't think anyone can doubt GLG's intention was to annoy, especially since he then felt the need to make a post in general discussion to try to draw more attention to how "clever" he is: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167149#p3652377

frankly i think more and more people are getting sick of GLG's bs and would like to see some repercussions for him to at least deter him from making the site less enjoyable for others.

i think the most relevant part was already quoted from the community guidelines:

"Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place"


GLG has continually made this community less enjoyable for many, not only through his systematic invitation abuse but also through his trolling and constant need to be the center of attention whether good or bad.

another recent example of his trying to be clever in skirting the rules is his blatantly flaming new tournament title "30-GLG Haywood Jablomie Memorial COFxxx - Classic Ass (open)".
in light of past conflict with Chariot of Fire (commonly known as CoF) i don't think anyone can doubt GLG's intention was to annoy, especially since he then felt the need to make a post in general discussion to try to draw more attention to how "clever" he is: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167149#p3652377

frankly i think more and more people are getting sick of GLG's bs and would like to see some repercussions for him to at least deter him from making the site less enjoyable for others.

I have to agree with this post, especially the underlined part. Before, I didn't give a rat's ass about glg or his methods. But after more and more of his pointless threads, and his arrogant flaunting of his ridiculous "ranching," he really is an extremely annoying person. Even if nothing comes of this, I too look forward to the day that his methods are outlawed by the powers that be on this site. It will be really funny to watch his rank drop, and rather quickly I'm sure.

Also, how is risking 80/100 points to get 5 points "risk management?" "Risk management" would more likely be only playing brigadiers and higher, so that you are only risking 20-30 points in order to get 15-20 points. Your idea of "risk management" is counter-intuitive.

I have to wonder at the type of person who continually preys on the weak. You almost exclusively play against people who have no chance of beating you. That, sir, is the definition of cowardice.

i think the most relevant part was already quoted from the community guidelines:

"Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place"


GLG has continually made this community less enjoyable for many, not only through his systematic invitation abuse but also through his trolling and constant need to be the center of attention whether good or bad.

another recent example of his trying to be clever in skirting the rules is his blatantly flaming new tournament title "30-GLG Haywood Jablomie Memorial COFxxx - Classic Ass (open)".
in light of past conflict with Chariot of Fire (commonly known as CoF) i don't think anyone can doubt GLG's intention was to annoy, especially since he then felt the need to make a post in general discussion to try to draw more attention to how "clever" he is: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167149#p3652377

frankly i think more and more people are getting sick of GLG's bs and would like to see some repercussions for him to at least deter him from making the site less enjoyable for others.

It is written right there for all of us to see. Too bad Conquer Club doesn't even follow what they say as a company themselves.

Example A: "We charge a subscription fee for premium membership to help keep this site running because ConquerClub does not use advertisements and we never will."

Outcome: Allow me to put this advertisement, which administration deems worthy on every single page within the site, even though we promised you there would never be any.

Example B: "Gambling in any form is strictly prohibited."

Outcome: Hey everyone! Go sign up for this cool new tournament in which we charge you $5 to enter but return far less in prizes. There is absolutely no gambling in your own games, but it is okay as long as we manage it and make sure to take a hefty percentage off of the top.

Example C: "if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it."

Outcome: Here we have a player making this place continuously less enjoyable for a large portion of the site. Yet he has continuously been defended in his actions and allowed to continue. If you don't do anything about it, I'd at least like to see you to take that off of the rules page so you don't give anyone the wrong idea that you are willing to do anything.

I think it is quite obvious that GLG is annoying people. In the forums and in the live chat as well (thought latter is only an assumption). Yes, I do find his method of playing CC cheap as well. Not in terms of morale but more from a human standpoint. He is bending over a hundred times to play a game with a new player that that player cannot win. And we can all agree that his opponents cannot win under normal circumstances. This means that GLG is willingly putting them into a situation where only he can win. This itself is an abuse of the site in my mind.
Due to his experience he knows that, while his opponents are freshmen or new players that don't have such an experience. They don't know yet that they cannot win. Of course they accept invites because they think they stand a chance. But in reality - yeah, they don't stand a chance at all .

I also find that GLG presence on the site (forums at least) is, quote "continually making this community less enjoyable for others". I don't know if you want to run a poll for it but I am sure the results will be obvious. Yes, we are talking about part of the community, a forums specifically. Forums that mature and experienced players visit. So one can say that GLG annoys most of the experienced forumers of CC.

The amount of C&A reports indicates that GLG cases and ruling are against general sense. And by general I mean majority of active forum posters. That means that either he has to be removed from forums (temporarily or permanently) or the rules got to be changed. We have been witnesses of rule changes before (I think it was Commanders case or Blitz case) and it was a stand up action.

I know that C&A team will do the right thing because I trust them (how can one not?). But I hope that this ruling will be accommodating to everyone here.

again with this... whether you like it or not, what GLG does is not against the rules.. until CC makes it against the rules, these threads are mild entertainment at best...

I think you're wrong, the rules follow from the idea that CC should be an enjoyable experience for all players, and players that cause a less enjoyable experience a lot should get some kind of warning/punishment. Maybe if you follow the letter of the rules, GLG isn't guilty. But if you look at the spirit of the rules, he definately is.

So I guess I'm totally agreeing with CoF in this case.

When are we going to learn. GLG isn't going to get any sort of punishment. He has a picture of someone who is high up in the CC world, naked with a farm animal attached to themselves, or something along those lines.

I am seeing the ruling now:

GLG - CLEARED - KA

All of these quotes I agree with.

Gen.LeeGettinhed, agree here that you do use very cheap tactics to obtain points.

2) "cheap method. . .unethical" - CHEAP/unethical are very derogatory terms. He may not agree with it, but it IS totally legal

Let's break down this post, shall we?

Whoah, whooah, whoooah. There are MANY things wrong with this:
PM's
1) PM's are for inviting people. I do NOT "BLAST them out", but send 1 at a time.
2) if sending out PM's 1 at a time is an issue, than would not Chariot sending out HUNDREDS be a MUCH bigger gross violation? <=== THIS is a problem
. . .confirmed by eddie2 above: ". . .due to the fact that we were all invited by cof to pm all his past opponants. . ."
3) I do NOT begin by sending out PM gme number and password -- I ask for a game, they say "yes, no, or discuss"
Chariot's lies/flames/baits:
1) ON BEHALF OF MANY CC PLAYERS: BS, it's on behalf of Chariot and his buddies -- and serves to mudsling against GLG
2) "cheap method. . .unethical" - CHEAP/unethical are very derogatory terms. He may not agree with it, but it IS totally legal.
3) "fallen prey"- FLAMING, it's derogatory. they wanted a game, agreed to a game, no "prey" about it
4) "4-5 pts. . .take advantage of" misrepresenting - I risk 80/100 pts to get 4-5. it's RISK MANAGEMENT
5) he would have delayed the outcome - misrepresentation: just because I do it when someone plays better than their experience does NOT mean I do it much at all. I HAVE caught multi's this way -- but ONLY when warranted.
6) duped: again derogatory, Risk Management tool

The thing is I shorted all the jargon in this. You prey upon young players to this game. I was warned by someone when you tried to talk me into playing you. I am SO glad I listened to them. You say the "RISK MANAGEMENT" is valid for you... It is not really...

How is it a risk for you when you are playing players who know little to nothing about the map that you are playing on? To gain 4-5 points to lose 80-100 is not a valid argument... Play someone with skill... Like a Col or a Brig that actually knows how to play the map instead of terrorizing other low ranked, inexperienced players.

[MrBoom]

Like Evolution and Milkshake I’ve had 2 invites to one of GLG’s “quick” games, both when my score dropped to around 1000. The first made me feel a proud that a CC superstar wanted to play me, but a quick check on his games (just out of curiosity) and it was obvious what he was up to. The second pissed me off because it was about 2 weeks later, and had exactly the same wording.
It did spoil my enjoyment of CC a little; in my opinion GLG does make the community less enjoyable for many, and I’d love to see something done about him and others.

Whenever he comes up in forums there’s always a broad selection of users pointing out that his behaviour is blatantly against the spirit of the site and complaining that nothing’s done, and the same few names backing him up. I thought I’d just add myself to the general population.

And from Wiki - Cheating refers to immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process.

[Denise]

Chariot's report brings new evidence against GLG with written testimony that he is breaking this unwritten rule: Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden.

If it is obvious that any gross abuse of the game is forbidden, and it is obvious to most of us that GLG is abusing the game, then why hasn't something been done about it? Admin's have given themselves the power to stop this sort of thing on a case by case basis. Why do they not take advantage of it? If nothing is done, GLG will continue to drive away business in the form of both new inexperienced players, and experienced disillusioned players. He will continue to promote and flaunt his methods, which cause other players to adopt them.

I hope the C&A mods and the admins will stop this now, by applying the above rule to this case. They have every right to do so, and by doing so would demonstrate their unwillingness to support GLG's methods.

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

[Barney Rubble]

I too had two "invites"...... from GLG .........He foed me after my reply to his second communication ..........In his defence .........Hmmmmm ....let me see ....sorry cant seem to come up with anything ....I do agree with Mr Boom and Denise however
Rubble

[happy2seeyou]

I never got an invite, this is BS

[MoB Deadly]

Lets face it, this site will never be perfect. No matter how many rules are made, or how many changes are made, there will be those who will find loopholes in the system. Little tricks or people that do whatever it takes to be number 1 on the scoreboard. I don't fault GLG for that, he did what it takes to be Conqueror, just like others in the past. He wasn't the only one to use shady tactics to get there. But just like every other time, this site needs another improvement.

You cant read this post from MrBoom and seriously not see that GLG is cheating. It's common sense.

And from Wiki - Cheating refers to immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process.

Ban his tactics of Ranching, not that HE needs a punishment, he DIDNT break any rules as they are now. But we need to set a standard for the next conqueror, to say that this way is NOT an acceptable path to being a conqueror.

[DiM]

I never got an invite, this is BS

yeah, me neither.

no to mention he's been using MY map for farming and i never got my cut.
GLG i expect a few hundred points by tomorrow or else i'm taking down that map and you'll be forced to farm your points differently.

[Barney Rubble]

Not until you have had a neverending run of CC randomness ...Bad dice ........constant two pair at the most inopportune time ......Enjoyed the attentions of suiciding noobs Plummetted down the scoreboard .....Then and only then .....willyou be deserving of "The Invite"

[DiM]

Not until you have had a neverending run of CC randomness ...Bad dice ........constant two pair at the most inopportune time ......Enjoyed the attentions of suiciding noobs Plummetted down the scoreboard .....Then and only then .....willyou be deserving of "The Invite"

i got the most annoying map when i played random map. so CC randomness ... check
i've just lost a some dice where math told me i had a 99.6 chance of succeeding. so bad dice ... check
had 2 pair with 4 cards plenty of times so ...check
recently got suicided on by a spiteful noob ... check that too.
lost like 600 points in the last period of time so plummeting ... check


i guess my invitation is just around the corner

[HerrHitzfeld]

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

Untrue, I have seen you set up the City Mogul game before you even have your victim picked out. I have also seen you drop the game if you wern't able to find anyone.

So why lie about this small detail if your not worried about a punishment?

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to...........

If this isn't a gross abuse of the game, then I would hate to find out what the admins do call a gross abuse of the game.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

Technically... when you ask them to join your game, you are inviting them. You can't pull that card out Gen.LeeGettinhed.When they say yes, they are accepting your invitation to join your game, not necessarily by the CC way of inviting.

And what's the other spurious report if this report isn't even spurious at all?

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

Untrue, I have seen you set up the City Mogul game before you even have your victim picked out. I have also seen you drop the game if you wern't able to find anyone.

So why lie about this small detail if your not worried about a punishment?

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to...........

If this isn't a gross abuse of the game, then I would hate to find out what the admins do call a gross abuse of the game.

Agreed.

[aad0906]

I've never been invited. I shall take that as a compliment

[codeblue1018]

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

So you contact them and ask them if they want to play a game? They agree and an invite is sent? Or is a game set up and a pw is given to them? Is this not an invite no matter how you paint it? You are like the poor criminal who claims complete innocence despite having a crystal clear video of his mug while committing the crime. Innocence until death. Love it.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Gen.LeeGettinhed [pending] KA
by Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:29 am
Accused:
Gen.LeeGettinhed
The accused is suspected of:
Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

This HAS to be CLOSED:
- it is TOTAL BS: I don't use "the invitations system"
- when I contact them, they generally agree BEFORE game is set up

AND another spurious report

So you contact them and ask them if they want to play a game? They agree and an invite is sent? Or is a game set up and a pw is given to them? Is this not an invite no matter how you paint it? You are like the poor criminal who claims complete innocence despite having a crystal clear video of his mug while committing the crime. Innocence until death. Love it.

+1

[Night Strike]

3) I do NOT begin by sending out PM gme number and password -- I ask for a game, they say "yes, no, or discuss"

And yet the only "games" you'll play against them are your own specialized settings? Why don't you let them pick the settings? If you're so good at the game, shouldn't you be good at a variety of settings instead of just 1?

GLG has continually made this community less enjoyable for many, not only through his systematic invitation abuse but also through his trolling and constant need to be the center of attention whether good or bad.

That's what is considered an understatement.

another recent example of his trying to be clever in skirting the rules is his blatantly flaming new tournament title "30-GLG Haywood Jablomie Memorial COFxxx - Classic Ass (open)".
in light of past conflict with Chariot of Fire (commonly known as CoF) i don't think anyone can doubt GLG's intention was to annoy, especially since he then felt the need to make a post in general discussion to try to draw more attention to how "clever" he is: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167149#p3652377

I addressed that issue.

It is written right there for all of us to see. Too bad Conquer Club doesn't even follow what they say as a company themselves.

Context: Chuuuuck's quote was referring to the "don't be annoying or you will be removed" portion of the guidelines.
To be fair, that rule is hard to apply to the part of the site that you actually pay money to participate in. It's much easier to be applied to the forum or Live Chat which are free to all members of the site. When actual dollars are involved, you have to decide whether the conduct is actually an abuse of the game (punishable) or just annoying (not-punishable). For instance, you could ban GLG from the forum for his constant trolling and flaunting of his cheap tactics, but that doesn't mean you could actually ban him from the games if those cheap tactics aren't actually an abuse of the game.

[jefjef]

Chariot's report brings new evidence against GLG with written testimony that he is breaking this unwritten rule: Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden.

If it is obvious that any gross abuse of the game is forbidden, and it is obvious to most of us that GLG is abusing the game, then why hasn't something been done about it? Admin's have given themselves the power to stop this sort of thing on a case by case basis. Why do they not take advantage of it? If nothing is done, GLG will continue to drive away business in the form of both new inexperienced players, and experienced disillusioned players. He will continue to promote and flaunt his methods, which cause other players to adopt them.

I hope the C&A mods and the admins will stop this now, by applying the above rule to this case. They have every right to do so, and by doing so would demonstrate their unwillingness to support GLG's methods.

Well I think it's a stretch to claim GLG is driving away any amount of business...

Since CC has repeatedly declared what he is doing as within the rules and there by telling him it is all ok it would be wrong for them to take any kind of disciplinary action in re of this WITHOUT a specific rule change and a friendly request to GLG to follow a specific guideline that they would need to specify so that he may remain within the rules.

In other words tell him to stop the cheap underhanded points harvesting, give him a new guideline, a conquerors rule, to follow and a fair chance for him to follow it - whether we like it or not he has adhered to the rules by not targeting new recruits and has mostly stayed away from cooks and cadets too.