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Postby Soloman on Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:57 am

Jock Bomb wrote:Soloman at 41 I am sure I am old enough!

Less of the abuse and cheap digs, let the MOD's sort it, if you have nothing constructive to say .... DON'T!


Funny I was thinking the same about you. The mods have already ruled on us not being a multi and based upon other threads here in this same forum(which you conveniently ignore) we are allowed to play in standard games as long as we treat each other equally.

DO you have any evidence we do not? Can you show apatern of one of us winning? what exactly are we being accused of by you please elaborate on how we are cheating?

I mean if we are cheating there is some goal right? so what do you believe it is and what are we doing in the games that makes you feel this way? You take your own shots at yourself in these posting sir, I do not need to do much but give you more rope.

So please elaborate as to what are you accusing of doing?
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Postby Jock Bomb on Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:28 am

Listen, I am NOT getting involved in a flame war on here, there is a time and a place for that! You act in a very similar way to risk master2000!

I was a copper for 8 years and I know what it is like to be accused, we faced it every week. But getting angry and starting flame wars is not the way forward, nor is sending PM's!

I don't know your age, but I would suggest just sitting back and letting the Mod's do what they need to do, if there is no foundation so be it.

But to snipe, and flame is not the way forward. I have said all I need to and am saying no more. Please cease the PM's they are unwanted. The reasons this was instigated was due to the fact you play a large number of games together and in fairness of the entire integrity of CC.

I would do the same with any accounts I may see as cheating/secret alliances/dual accounts. You do not help yourself by having one paid account and one free account as that is the format for most cheating. Before you get all aggressive and defensive again, I am NOT saying you have a dual account!
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Postby SirSebstar on Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:43 am

Actually you did:
These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance (EITHER ONE MAY APPLY)

Anyways my apologies for calling your post a rant. I assumed wrongly that you also had part in the first accusation. It appears you were not, therefore your post is simply a legitimate observation.
My advice would be to refrain from such posts unless you are the opponent in such a game since they were already cleared of being a multi. As we have seen in certain cases in the past it is possible for a previous verdict to be overturned when other evidence is turning up. Its not likely in this case as even you state now not to assume them multiā€™s.
My personal assumption will be that both family members will be noted to play together, but currently there is insufficient evidence or reason to ban them from playing with each other.
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Postby Soloman on Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:54 am

Jock Bomb wrote:Listen, I am NOT getting involved in a flame war on here, there is a time and a place for that! You act in a very similar way to risk master2000!

I was a copper for 8 years and I know what it is like to be accused, we faced it every week. But getting angry and starting flame wars is not the way forward, nor is sending PM's!

I don't know your age, but I would suggest just sitting back and letting the Mod's do what they need to do, if there is no foundation so be it.

But to snipe, and flame is not the way forward. I have said all I need to and am saying no more. Please cease the PM's they are unwanted. The reasons this was instigated was due to the fact you play a large number of games together and in fairness of the entire integrity of CC.

I would do the same with any accounts I may see as cheating/secret alliances/dual accounts. You do not help yourself by having one paid account and one free account as that is the format for most cheating. Before you get all aggressive and defensive again, I am NOT saying you have a dual account!


I have not pm'd you again and you avoid the question still. How are we cheating all you have said is we played a bunch of games togther?

I am not flaming I have raised a legitmate point which it is evident you have no answer for. So please instead of issuing now more false allegation, please elaborate if you are able to, as to how we are cheating as you have accused.

Also if you can answer how many others have you made claims against that you did not play? Since you are now claiming vigilance for the good of Conquerclub as the motivation in your accusation.
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Postby Jock Bomb on Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:34 pm

SirSebstar wrote:Actually you did:
These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance (EITHER ONE MAY APPLY)

Anyways my apologies for calling your post a rant. I assumed wrongly that you also had part in the first accusation. It appears you were not, therefore your post is simply a legitimate observation.
My advice would be to refrain from such posts unless you are the opponent in such a game since they were already cleared of being a multi. As we have seen in certain cases in the past it is possible for a previous verdict to be overturned when other evidence is turning up. Its not likely in this case as even you state now not to assume them multiā€™s.
My personal assumption will be that both family members will be noted to play together, but currently there is insufficient evidence or reason to ban them from playing with each other.


Apology accepted buddy.

In the thread allegedly clearing these 2 I see no moderators interjection or post? But I don't know who the mods are, never really paid much attention.

As I have made clear I do NOT suspecting one player of having multi accounts but do think that playing solo games whilst on the same connection is a flawed rule. Nor have i asked for a ban ;) I think that it should however be made clear what the rules are. I stated as above as that appears to be what others do? Its not for me to decide :)

In any case these 2 SHOULD have made it clear to CC in the very first instance that they are sharing a connection. You really cannot blame players for reporting this if they have made no effort what so ever to be honest and claim this connection.

It is also made clear in other posts, that players using the same connection, 'should' at the start of every game make it clear to other players that this is the case.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46141

Its like a court of law, a juror or judge has to step down if they have any knowledge of the parties on trial, would you be happy going into a solo game with 2 players sharing the same connection? I know wouldn't :(

Its a matter of principle I suppose. Its a great pity CC cannot introduce some for of icon indicating the players share a connection beside their names :(

I am not getting involved in a flame war in the forum, I see little point, shows a great lack of self control. I have a great sense of fairness and believe in a level playing field.

A good threat to read is this one where advice is given to note play each other in solo games:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 58&start=0

Providing they announce their connection sharing at the start of solo games I see no problems but lets face it there has never been a claim of a shared connection until complaints were made :(

You will also notice in this thread that one guy was banned for sharing connections, there seems to be no common rule and it needs CLARIFIED does it not?
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Postby Jock Bomb on Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:43 pm

My last post on this matter, in other internet based games I play, shared connections are NOT permitted to play together or assist each other by sending resources, armies etc..

I think that completely removes ANY CHANCE of cheating and should be the way forward in CC.

Regardless of what anybody says, if my brother was playing in the same game I would obviously have a bias outlook on his defense etc..

Soloman clearly admits they are a close family therefore, I would presume he has the same feelings as i would for one of my family members?!?

thats why most web based games ban shared connections from interacting, normally done by IP identification.

THIS IS LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM RISK MASTER2000 (SOLOMAN'S BROTHER) FEEDBACK. It clearly states soloman had control of another account whilst playing games, what more damning evidence is needed?

COPY AND PASTE:

Negative We were losing the game to a strong threat, we made a truce, I followed through and we started fighting back against the stronger force. Riskmaster decided to build up and broke our truce and attacked me essentially giving the game to the strongest player. Don't trust him.

risk master2000's response: to be honest I let my brother play all my active games for a few days and he did not know about the truce I apologize he broke it and cost us both the game


Its nice to be honest :)
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Postby Soloman on Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:00 pm

This is the final time I will say this He only uses my computer sometimes most of his turns are played by him from our mothers PC. I have a laptop that sometimes I take and use on WiFi at the library or at home or when getting chai tea etc...

His average turn in a game we hare is from hiw own computer we almost never start games from the same PC. Your whole argument is moot as ironically enough noone in any standard game we have played jointly,has ever accused us. Because once they check our other games we are fair in the attacks and pursuit against the other.

Your facts are not straight Guy. Whatever your personal Devils may be please quit attempting to share the pain. Your on my ignore and I am sure you are on Antons. At one point personally I admonished his behaviours in a lot of negative games. Sadly enough I better understand now as this type of behaviour and irrational rage seems prevailant amongst people today even online.

I hope you have Been Saved Sir(JockBomb) and that you find something more feeling and progressive then all these Petty rants .I will not engage in this any further, so please since you have said so much yet so little in these baseless ramblings, Feel free to have the last word I know you are dying for, I will not be responding the close and floor is yours.
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Postby Jock Bomb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:54 pm

WILL YOU STOP PMing ME YOU SAD FOOL! I am sick of it!
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby sully800 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:48 am

risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby risk master2000 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:24 am

my brother can no longer post so here is link to when he let know that him and his girl would be using same computer viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16519&p=330982&hilit=trackersdream#p330982
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby Mr_Adams on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:53 pm

Solomon is reported in the thread above this... tsk tsk
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:43 pm

sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream
you only cleared them of not being a multi...what about secret alliances. I looked over their games and it looks very suspecious to me. Many single games where the 2 brothers work very well together if you ask me. I think a block needs to be put in place.
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby Splash_x on Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:48 pm

wouldn't being banned already put that into play?
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby risk master2000 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:16 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream
you only cleared them of not being a multi...what about secret alliances. I looked over their games and it looks very suspecious to me. Many single games where the 2 brothers work very well together if you ask me. I think a block needs to be put in place.

If you look a little closer we attack aggressively with each other, you must be another one of those nothing better to do losers who hates just for the sake of hating... ON Top of that my brother is not a cheat he and his fiancee rarely play together and him and i do not play that often either we all fight fairly against each other
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby scarface99x on Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:38 pm

Yeah the whole this is my brother, father, son cousin, b/f, g/f, etc is getting old. Lets be realistic each of these claims is 99% chance of being a multi. Otherwise why do they continue to play singles games with each other when they know they are basically cheating. You don't want to worry about getting busted then play doubles games. No reason to have to play singles other than to fight each other and you can do that in private games or 1 vs 1 etc.
Lets be realistic fathers and sons on CC give me a break.
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby risk master2000 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:34 pm

scarface99x wrote:Yeah the whole this is my brother, father, son cousin, b/f, g/f, etc is getting old. Lets be realistic each of these claims is 99% chance of being a multi. Otherwise why do they continue to play singles games with each other when they know they are basically cheating. You don't want to worry about getting busted then play doubles games. No reason to have to play singles other than to fight each other and you can do that in private games or 1 vs 1 etc.
Lets be realistic fathers and sons on CC give me a break.



Says the person who obviously does not have family that likes to play with him. 1 on 1 gets boring all the time thus the reason for joining a site to play many different people. I guess the concept of family competition means nothing to you also wanting to show up your older sibling is something most of us younger brothers love. Maybe you are an only child and just cannot understand not sure what it is but it poorsports with poor attitudes that anti social nature makes this world such a miserable place. Maybe you should talk to your father and ask for a hug or something since you have some type of resentment to family's playing together
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby Jock Bomb on Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:04 pm

risk master2000 wrote:
Says the person who obviously does not have family that likes to play with him. 1 on 1 gets boring all the time thus the reason for joining a site to play many different people. I guess the concept of family competition means nothing to you also wanting to show up your older sibling is something most of us younger brothers love. Maybe you are an only child and just cannot understand not sure what it is but it poorsports with poor attitudes that anti social nature makes this world such a miserable place. Maybe you should talk to your father and ask for a hug or something since you have some type of resentment to family's playing together


LMAO! Says the most abusive player on this site and then proceeds to mock and point fingers AND THAT ISN'T ANTI SOCIAL?

Pot ..... kettle springs to mind!

Totally agree with scarface this my borther, my dad, my great aunties 3rd husbands daughter, all wanting to play from the same connection is crap! Open to abuse. Most other sites have automatic bans on this sort of thing happening preventing same links from playing the same game! Or interacting together. Simply done by IP ID.
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:16 pm

risk master2000 wrote:
scarface99x wrote:Yeah the whole this is my brother, father, son cousin, b/f, g/f, etc is getting old. Lets be realistic each of these claims is 99% chance of being a multi. Otherwise why do they continue to play singles games with each other when they know they are basically cheating. You don't want to worry about getting busted then play doubles games. No reason to have to play singles other than to fight each other and you can do that in private games or 1 vs 1 etc.
Lets be realistic fathers and sons on CC give me a break.



Says the person who obviously does not have family that likes to play with him. 1 on 1 gets boring all the time thus the reason for joining a site to play many different people. I guess the concept of family competition means nothing to you also wanting to show up your older sibling is something most of us younger brothers love. Maybe you are an only child and just cannot understand not sure what it is but it poorsports with poor attitudes that anti social nature makes this world such a miserable place. Maybe you should talk to your father and ask for a hug or something since you have some type of resentment to family's playing together
which is why we need you 2 blocked. all the singles games with you 2 teaming is getting old.
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Re: soloman [busted] & risk master2000 [cleared]

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Sun May 04, 2008 11:44 am

here it is. clearly shows "BUSTED" with his multi account. Now he and his brother were cleared from being a multi, but they will be busted as secret alliances as soon as there single games are reviewed.
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon May 05, 2008 10:50 am

sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream


Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?
Why was he busted? (alliance or multi?) I just take it you have to be 2 players for either offence and it seemed strange that only one got busted. :?:
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby Soloman on Mon May 05, 2008 10:55 am

Thezzaruz wrote:
sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream


Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?
Why was he busted? (alliance or multi?) I just take it you have to be 2 players for either offence and it seemed strange that only one got busted. :?:
we were initially called a multi but after we appealed and with some further research it was revealed that Trackersdream is my Fiancee and we posted almost over a year ago that we shared the same computer. They removed our ban but sadly noone has change this header yet but we are both just happy to be be vindicated so it is not a big deal...
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon May 05, 2008 11:14 am

Thezzaruz wrote:Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?


Ahh sorry, just ignore me... #-o
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby Soloman on Mon May 05, 2008 11:22 am

Thezzaruz wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?


Ahh sorry, just ignore me... #-o

no you are alright I see no malice in your questions and you seem ernst inyour response.
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Mon May 05, 2008 5:09 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:
sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream


Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?
Why was he busted? (alliance or multi?) I just take it you have to be 2 players for either offence and it seemed strange that only one got busted. :?:
trackersdeam is his multi account. risk master is his brother. he and his brother will be busted soon because they set up 3 player games and team on the 3rd player but they were cleared of being multis.
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Re: soloman & risk master2000 - possible cheating? (form fil

Postby Soloman on Mon May 05, 2008 8:40 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:
sully800 wrote:risk master2000 is cleared.

Solomon is Busted with trackersdream


Not to be picky or so. But how did that work out?
Why was he busted? (alliance or multi?) I just take it you have to be 2 players for either offence and it seemed strange that only one got busted. :?:
trackersdeam is his multi account. risk master is his brother. he and his brother will be busted soon because they set up 3 player games and team on the 3rd player but they were cleared of being multis.
you know Johnny you are a true maggott both my fiancee and I would be more then happy to voice verify if it would get you shut up but we only do so to a mod....You know what it does not matter what you say they cleared us and reinstated bothof our accounts so babble as you choose it just shows how pathetic a wretch you are
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