Twin Killer again - using a script? [cleared as of now]

[mc05025]

No, you are completely wrong.
The rules defined under "Obvious abuse of the game" are some obvious rules like your example. It is not a window to make up rules.
Obvious means obvious. Hundreds of good players use the tactic of the pressed down b key. So hundreds of players disagree with something that you think is obvious? Well obviously it is not obvious and so you have to write it.

Something that in my opinion you can not do...
Forbidding hold down the b key at my keyboard? you can to do that.
I have a notification which allows me to be on line in a critical moment at a freestyle game. Is that forbidden too?

[firth4eva]

No, you are completely wrong.
The rules defined under "Obvious abuse of the game" are some obvious rules like your example. It is not a window to make up rules.
Obvious means obvious. Hundreds of good players use the tactic of the pressed down b key. So hundreds of players disagree with something that you think is obvious? Well obviously it is not obvious and so you have to write it.

Something that in my opinion you can not do...
Forbidding hold down the b key at my keyboard? you can to do that.
I have a notification which allows me to be on line in a critical moment at a freestyle game. Is that forbidden too?

But the rule isn't "obvious abuse" it's any gross abuse.

Also, care to name these "hundreds of players"? Twin Killer is the first I have come across.

And speak English please, it's the language God wrote in the Bible.

[40kguy]

I think he might just be holding down the b button with something. i think that is still illigall right?

LMAO!! Your saying its illegal to hold down the "B" button on MY computer, which starts MY turn? This site and the logic of some on this site is absolutely laughable. Firth, quit playing freestyle if you cant handle taking a turn using NO SCRIPTS but by simply pressing a computer key-unreal! I would be willing to bet MOST speed game freestyle players do this exact tactic to prevent a bonus from being attacked; this is why most start at the exact same second; impossible to use a mouse to start at the same second; so the thousands of players that do this are in violation of the rules???? LMAO - close this mods!

i mean with an object.

[codeblue1018]

40, what is the difference? The same outcome would occur. With that logic, clicky maps should be banned eh? You know, entering and playing games against others not using the script as they are either new and not aware or they just don't agree with them? To me, that is cheap and borderline cheating but it's not because that "script" is tolerated. Using an object to hold a key in order to start a turn at the same time as the other player is illegal how? What about when the other player ends first and delays the game to start when that player is either not on or preoccupied? What in the hell is the difference? I've lost to this dude twice from this exact tactic but I accepted it; I don't agree with it, but it's far from illegal; cheap yes, cheating no!

[40kguy]

40, what is the difference? The same outcome would occur. With that logic, clicky maps should be banned eh? You know, entering and playing games against others not using the script as they are either new and not aware or they just don't agree with them? To me, that is cheap and borderline cheating but it's not because that "script" is tolerated. Using an object to hold a key in order to start a turn at the same time as the other player is illegal how? What about when the other player ends first and delays the game to start when that player is either not on or preoccupied? What in the hell is the difference? I've lost to this dude twice from this exact tactic but I accepted it; I don't agree with it, but it's far from illegal; cheap yes, cheating no!

im saying its illegal because you arent begin your turn, an object is.

[mc05025]

No, you are completely wrong.
The rules defined under "Obvious abuse of the game" are some obvious rules like your example. It is not a window to make up rules.
Obvious means obvious. Hundreds of good players use the tactic of the pressed down b key. So hundreds of players disagree with something that you think is obvious? Well obviously it is not obvious and so you have to write it.

Something that in my opinion you can not do...
Forbidding hold down the b key at my keyboard? you can to do that.
I have a notification which allows me to be on line in a critical moment at a freestyle game. Is that forbidden too?

But the rule isn't "obvious abuse" it's any gross abuse.

Also, care to name these "hundreds of players"? Twin Killer is the first I have come across.

And speak English please, it's the language God wrote in the Bible.

Yes, TheForgivenOne used the term "Obvious abuse'' and I got confused. In anyway pressing b key down is neither an obvious nor gross abuse.

Check speed games and the last turn of games with object like third crusade (at freestyle games of course). One of them is ljex (global moderator, volunteer number 2 at point list)

PS what God did????
Sorry for my English, it is not my mother tongue like yours.
I am practicing here

[jefjef]

Here is the link to the Aalmeida17 script/weight abuse complaint.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=110949&hilit=weight&start=90

In it Evil Semp states that scripts are illegal and not allowed. In this case Aalmeida admitted to mechanically depressing the "b" button a couple turns. The log shows it but all the other turns were not started with that method and Evil Semp basically cleared him of wrong doing because he (Aal) clearly was there activating almost all turns and not enough to consider as "gross abuse".

This accusation is based on the fact that Aalmeida17 starts his turns so quickly. As was stated wouldn't putting a weight on start the turn at the exact same time? That happened twice and not two turns in a row. He had four turns in a row where his turns started 1,0,1 and 0 seconds after yours, there were also three turns where he started 6 seconds later. One turn he started his turn and didn't make any moves for about 30minutes. I know that some freestyle players do this as part of their stratagy.

It looks to me that he is very dedicated to playing his games. I don't see any proof that he is using a script.

Without any proof I have to say Aslmeida17 is CLEARED of any wrongdoing.

[king achilles]

Let me make it clear that any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed. As what TheForgivenOne mentioned, this game is for people. Although we can be honored with players who knows how to make impressive programs and such, there is a limit in making scripts that would give a distinct advantage. Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.

As for the game presented by firth4eva, I can see that he started his turns a few minutes after Twin Killler ends his turn from the previous rounds. Being that these were only a few minutes, it is highly possible that he managed to do all that manually and not a script was used in this game. If you started your turn on different time intervals, like maybe 30 minutes after or so, and he still managed to start his at the same time, then, we may have something here. This is cleared.

[mc05025]

Let me make it clear that any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed. As what TheForgivenOne mentioned, this game is for people. Although we can be honored with players who knows how to make impressive programs and such, there is a limit in making scripts that would give a distinct advantage. Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.

You did not answer two very important questions.

1) Is it allowed to have clicable maps (a script) and press down the b key mechanically? (if it is not allowed that then it is not allowed to start your turn at the same second and there are already a huge amount of violations.

2) Are people allowed to now all the rules from the rules tub or they have to search the forum??
Is it gross abuse to have a script starting the turn automatically?

[TheForgivenOne]

Let me make it clear that any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed. As what TheForgivenOne mentioned, this game is for people. Although we can be honored with players who knows how to make impressive programs and such, there is a limit in making scripts that would give a distinct advantage. Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.

You did not answer two very important questions.

1) Is it allowed to have clicable maps (a script) and press down the b key mechanically? (if it is not allowed that then it is not allowed to start your turn at the same second and there are already a huge amount of violations.

2) Are people allowed to now all the rules from the rules tub or they have to search the forum??
Is it gross abuse to have a script starting the turn automatically?

How does what I have bolded not answer if it is allowed to have a script start your turn for you legal?

Not every rule is listed on our Rules page, as I already mentioned one other case. It even mentions on the rules page "This includes but is not limited to". They only mention so many "Unwritten rules" because those are the ones that pop up from time to time. Over the course of the few years CC has been up, I think only 3-4 times has a case like this been brought forward. If we actually listed all the "Unwritten rules", I'm pretty sure the Rules page would be a mile long.

[mc05025]

No, he did not answer.
You told me your opinion bout my second question. (and I disagree that this is gross abuse).

In order to make my point clear check Game 8522540

Is it illegal what Sarker did at the last turn? is it gross abuse?
That game end today. There are a lot of examples like that. And people do not use it in order to take 2 troops more. That is the end of the game.


And if that is illegal tel me if what I did at Game 8522544 is illegal.

At last, please, tell me if I should try to win a game like that and if I should expect that my opponents will understand that this is gross abuse like you understand it so easily.

[iamkoolerthanu]

A question that hasn't been answered is this:

Would having clickable maps and placing a weight on the 'b' key be considered gross abuse of the game? TFO, you have said "any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed.". I think the problem with this statement, and mc05025's question, is that clickable maps doesn't start the turn for you, technically the weight starts the turn for you. But, since it isn't a script starting the turn, it is in fact a weight (which might very well be a human finger, still making it a human vs. human game), would this be legal?

[kmhebert]

A question that hasn't been answered is this:

Would having clickable maps and placing a weight on the 'b' key be considered gross abuse of the game? TFO, you have said "any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed.". I think the problem with this statement, and mc05025's question, is that clickable maps doesn't start the turn for you, technically the weight starts the turn for you. But, since it isn't a script starting the turn, it is in fact a weight (which might very well be a human finger, still making it a human vs. human game), would this be legal?

I would like this to be clearly stated, I use this technique from time to time and have won maybe 5 games solely because of this tactic.

[jefjef]

A question that hasn't been answered is this:

Would having clickable maps and placing a weight on the 'b' key be considered gross abuse of the game? TFO, you have said "any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed.". I think the problem with this statement, and mc05025's question, is that clickable maps doesn't start the turn for you, technically the weight starts the turn for you. But, since it isn't a script starting the turn, it is in fact a weight (which might very well be a human finger, still making it a human vs. human game), would this be legal?

I would like this to be clearly stated, I use this technique from time to time and have won maybe 5 games solely because of this tactic.

If CC had considered a weighted 'b' key as a cheat or gross abuse then they would have found Aalmeida17, who admitted to doing that, guilty. Instead they cleared him. CC seems only to be concerned with illegal scripts. With only having PEOPLE playing the game. Doing this requires someone to place the weight and still show up to take the turn.

[HighlanderAttack]

Three pennies and a rock work--lol

[Queen_Herpes]

There is a script that will start the turn (so long as the player has their computer on, open to conquerclub, and logged in.) even if the player is not at the computer. The script exists, for those who think it doesn't exist.

[Woodruff]

Three pennies and a rock work--lol

I'm trying to visualize this...and can't. Help me out.

(I don't play speed freestyle...I'm just curious now.)

[ISN2]

Let me make it clear that any scripts that would start a turn for you is not encouraged and will not be allowed. As what TheForgivenOne mentioned, this game is for people. Although we can be honored with players who knows how to make impressive programs and such, there is a limit in making scripts that would give a distinct advantage. Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.

As for the game presented by firth4eva, I can see that he started his turns a few minutes after Twin Killler ends his turn from the previous rounds. Being that these were only a few minutes, it is highly possible that he managed to do all that manually and not a script was used in this game. If you started your turn on different time intervals, like maybe 30 minutes after or so, and he still managed to start his at the same time, then, we may have something here. This is cleared.

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=138623

And most recent one on Game 8695571:

2011-03-14 09:29:07 - ISN2 ended the turn and got spoils
2011-03-14 09:29:12 - Twin Killler ended the turn and got spoils
2011-03-14 09:29:12 - Incrementing game to round 3
2011-03-14 11:14:43 - ISN2 received 3 troops for 4 regions
2011-03-14 11:14:43 - Twin Killler received 3 troops for holding all of Europe

[Night Strike]

There is a script that will start the turn (so long as the player has their computer on, open to conquerclub, and logged in.) even if the player is not at the computer. The script exists, for those who think it doesn't exist.

It doesn't matter if it exists, it just matters if they get caught using it because then they would be warned/banned. Use at your own risk, just like other things that are against the rules.