the administrators [closed]

[eddie2]

on another note if they have refunded the points in these games can they not also do it when players get busted for sd or multis

i would guess that its an automatic thing about deleting games, having to do with how the database is set up.

yep this is my point why cant they delete the multis games also point dumpers

[Woodruff]

<Accused:

You are a moron. That being said, if you had handled this in an intelligent fashion, perhaps some changes could be made that would keep this from happening to someone else.

[Serbia]

<Accused:

You are a moron.

I got banned for calling colton24 that word.

[Woodruff]

<Accused:

You are a moron.

I got banned for calling colton24 that word.

I had you in mind, in fact. <smile>

(Well...not in mind as a "moron"...)

[Night Strike]

on another note if they have refunded the points in these games can they not also do it when players get busted for sd or multis

i would guess that its an automatic thing about deleting games, having to do with how the database is set up.

yep this is my point why cant they delete the multis games also point dumpers

Because deleting games causes holes in the database, and the more holes there are in the database, the higher the chance for errors in the database that will affect the whole site. There are also other issues such as only admins can delete games since it's a change in the database (but hunters can bust multis) and if you immediately delete all the games, it makes appeals processes harder to investigate.

[lord voldemort]

ns has a good answer re multies and game deletion

[Caymanmew]

ns has a good answer re multies and game deletion

so why put hole in the database now? these game where not a big deal

[Night Strike]

ns has a good answer re multies and game deletion

so why put hole in the database now? these game where not a big deal

Because they weren't supposed to be played. The rules explicitly stated that the map was only to be played during the World Cup except for the officially sanctioned tournament. When the map was temporarily reopened to make those tournament games, all non-tournament games were not sanctioned and had to be eliminated.

Besides, if those games were not a big deal, why are you complaining that they were deleted?

[Caymanmew]

ns has a good answer re multies and game deletion

so why put hole in the database now? these game where not a big deal

Because they weren't supposed to be played. The rules explicitly stated that the map was only to be played during the World Cup except for the officially sanctioned tournament. When the map was temporarily reopened to make those tournament games, all non-tournament games were not sanctioned and had to be eliminated.

Besides, if those games were not a big deal, why are you complaining that they were deleted?

i am complaining about how it was handled.

[stahrgazer]

ns has a good answer re multies and game deletion

so why put hole in the database now? these game where not a big deal

Because they weren't supposed to be played. The rules explicitly stated that the map was only to be played during the World Cup except for the officially sanctioned tournament. When the map was temporarily reopened to make those tournament games, all non-tournament games were not sanctioned and had to be eliminated.

Besides, if those games were not a big deal, why are you complaining that they were deleted?

The rules also explicitly state that no one should make multis to play games; so again, under that logic, if you can have holes in the system for games that someone arbitrarily decided "no to some, yes to others (games on WC, patty, etc.)," then you should be able to make holes in the system for games where all the rules consistently state, "no to ALL (multis)"

Obviously, it cannot be automatic because of the need for the appeal process. Also obviously, there are many known multis that have exhausted or are ineligible for the appeals process; yet their games are not deleted, points were never reset.

[lord voldemort]

lol..i want you guys to know that we are approaching the 100,000 mark for multi busts...its logistically impossible

[pmchugh]

[eddie2]

ok nightstrike cleared up the thing about the multis that is fair enough we dont want the site crashing because of this.

on the thing this thread is all about there are 4 simple questions that need 2 be responded 2

1)cayman when were these games played before or after this thread
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=124306

2)i have looked through the forum and cannot find any posts regarding the world cup map not being alowd 2 play (remember st Patricks map there was a thread started by mods telling players not 2 join games on this map)i might of missed it but can not find one.

3)there was no bug on the map so why were the completed games deleted. i understand it is a seasonal map but would it not of been easier to pm the players that were in games that had not started telling them 2 drop them and allow the games that were being played 2 stay the same only because no harm was being done by them.(please note this was not the players fault so why should they be punished for it)

4)cayman did you attempt in any way to bring this up with either king a or andy before posting this thread.

[Caymanmew]

ok nightstrike cleared up the thing about the multis that is fair enough we dont want the site crashing because of this.

on the thing this thread is all about there are 4 simple questions that need 2 be responded 2

1)cayman when were these games played before or after this thread
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=124306

2)i have looked through the forum and cannot find any posts regarding the world cup map not being alowd 2 play (remember st Patricks map there was a thread started by mods telling players not 2 join games on this map)i might of missed it but can not find one.

3)there was no bug on the map so why were the completed games deleted. i understand it is a seasonal map but would it not of been easier to pm the players that were in games that had not started telling them 2 drop them and allow the games that were being played 2 stay the same only because no harm was being done by them.(please note this was not the players fault so why should they be punished for it)

4)cayman did you attempt in any way to bring this up with either king a or andy before posting this thread.

1) some where made before some after different people would of made other game at different times as well

4) i dont like how the admins deal with stuff so no i did not

[eddie2]

i think you will find that both andy and king a are quite reasonable if you had of taken it 2 them first. i'm sure they would of helped in the situation.

[Caymanmew]

i think you will find that both andy and king a are quite reasonable if you had of taken it 2 them first. i'm sure they would of helped in the situation.

i've taken thing to them before and i dont like how the deal with it so i took it somewhere else

[Night Strike]

i think you will find that both andy and king a are quite reasonable if you had of taken it 2 them first. i'm sure they would of helped in the situation.

i've taken thing to them before and i dont like how the deal with it so i took it somewhere else

And yet they are the only ones who can deal with it even when it's posted in public.

2)i have looked through the forum and cannot find any posts regarding the world cup map not being alowd 2 play (remember st Patricks map there was a thread started by mods telling players not 2 join games on this map)i might of missed it but can not find one.

Subject: Official 2010 CC World Cup Event

Limited Edition "World Cup" Map

With the help of MrBenn and the Cartography Team we bring you the Limited Edition: World Cup Map! It will be available for play for the duration of the World Cup from June 11th until July 11th

If it's only available for play during that time, then by elimination it's not allowed to be played after July 11, 2010. No one has to make a new post saying "Don't make new games on this map just because it's available for the official tournament." That's just drawing attention to the map so that more people would make games. Quietly open the map, get the tournament games made, and close the map. If someone happens to see it and make some games, either allow the games or delete the games. The admins chose the latter option, and they don't have to make announcements to the public about why they did it because it was already stated as being a limited map.

Also, the tournament winners have the chance to work with MrBenn to make a bracket-style map, so a similar map will come out eventually.

[TheForgivenOne]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

[Caymanmew]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

it was up for public play

[TheForgivenOne]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

it was up for public play

AND as we already said, they only opened it up to create the next round of Tournie Games. You are twisting his words.

[Caymanmew]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

it was up for public play

AND as we already said, they only opened it up to create the next round of Tournie Games. You are twisting his words.

yes by doing so it WAS up for public play

[TheForgivenOne]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

it was up for public play

AND as we already said, they only opened it up to create the next round of Tournie Games. You are twisting his words.

yes by doing so it WAS up for public play

Yeah, and do you think they WANTED it up for public to play? NO. If they could have had it so only TO's could start games, then they would have, but they couldn't. You already knew the map wasn't meant to be played on, yet you used this loophole to play on the map.

[Caymanmew]

it is no loophole they made it playable i played it they then deleted the games they should not have made it playable if they did not want it to be played

[Royal Panda]

it is no loophole they made it playable i played it they then deleted the games they should not have made it playable if they did not want it to be played

If I want to create a game on this map for the tournament, I have to go through a process to enable it to be opened. When it is opened in this way, it is intended for the use only of myself, Gilligan and amazzony. While everyone else is ABLE to make games during this short window, those games are not sanctioned through the official channels like ours have been. THAT is why the games were deleted. You are not being punished for creating the games!

[eddie2]

The Map will still be used for the tournaments, but will not be up for public play.

~Sam

it was up for public play

AND as we already said, they only opened it up to create the next round of Tournie Games. You are twisting his words.

yep words are being twisted but there was a post in q and a forgiven one asking why this game was back with no response in it as 2 why