Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

[Chariot of Fire]

Blitz,

NO games were created since the C&A post

Well this is probably hardly surprising is it? There is however the small matter of you creating games after you became aware of Jobiwan's incapacity to log into CC. Take Game 8771783 for example. This game was created on the morning of 27th March. We can ascertain this because Game 8771781 happens to be a speed game created that morning. So you made the game, invited the absent Jobiwan, logged into Jobiwan's account and proceeded to join the game. I would contend that this is most certainly an example of 'Hijacking Accounts' and is a serious contravention of CC rules. Just to refresh your memory, this is the text from your own conversation with leolou2 proving the date on which you were aware Jobiwan was missing:

2011-03-25 22:28:16 - leolou2 [team]: Oh where oh where are you at Jobi
2011-03-25 22:29:21 - leolou2 [team]: You should let Blitz have your PW thur a PM
2011-03-26 15:55:29 - Blitzaholic [team]: did jobi miss another turn? geeez
2011-03-26 16:01:36 - Blitzaholic [team]: all on Black Sheep Squadron (landing point) and NO attacks
2011-03-28 10:00:07 - Jobiwan: blitz for jobi

This is not true CoF, it was only ONE game, not games plural, one game was made on 3-27-11, that is it. I did not lie, I said NO games were created since the C&A post, which was: by eddie2 on Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:06 pm. I did notice between March 25th thru the 29th, he was missing some turns in his games, I did take some of his turns when I noticed them and then went to work. Remember, his game play as we seen was sporadic, I didn't know that it was at those times, I didn't know he was missing a lot of games, hence I made only ONE game and PM'd him, you on jobi, is all ok, I was waiting for a respone, I got none, when I never heard from him on the 27th and 28th of March, I got worried, because he always responds within 24 hours or less, this is when I made no more games, then went and took his turns on the 28th and 29th, and posted them in game chat, until eddie freaked out, then Leo took them from the 29th, 30, 31st and all thru April. I have not been on his account in over 2 weeks, and the reason I don't remember his password, is because his password is not an easy one to remember. I told king achilles if he wants to me to take some of his turns, I can pm leo and ask him for it and help, I got no response to this. I assume leo has always been taking them and all is ok. So, there was no need to.

Chariot of Fire If I knew what you said to be true and you really thought I was hijacking his account, then WHY would I only make ONE game? Why not me abuse it and create 10, 20, 30, 40 games or more during that timeframe? See, you own post makes no sense and is illogical, think about it. Do not allow your personal bias to tint facts, so many are guilty of this!

Has leo not been taking his turns in late March

Er no, it would appear you have if the above game chat is anything to go by. I'm sure you can start to understand why there are some who doubt the veracity of your words.

ummm, nope, cause leo was taking his turns in late March, 29, 30, 31st. As far as I know, those last couple days are considered late March.

It's not that CC can throw a rule at you saying you were obliged to take his turns - it's that you sat back and let it happen. Can't you see how incredibly damning it looks? To have Jobiwan's turns taken in your games and let the others slide is intentional points dumping on the part of the player whose account you control. This is in breach of the Unwritten Rule 'deliberately benefiting from thrown games' and also displays vicarious liability on your part for intentional deadbeating.

again cof, you are of your flawed opinion, but, you are wrong. I had no idea he was missing that many turns, and as you can see from the above posts and games he won below, he was sporadic in his play, even andydrufense said so, it was frustrating, he would be active, then not acitve, on and off like a light switch, the times I happen to check in early to middle March, like I said he was relatively caught up and he was winning some games, it was not until the end of March, that I noticed he was missing some.

I was not convinced he was away, he was active as far as I knew, but looking back, it looks as if he was sporadic acitve. I knew he was not on as he did not reply to my pm and it was 3-28-11 or 3-29-11, and he always repleis to them within 24 hours or so, so, at this time I was concerned, never did I think he was an absentee, however, to err on the side of caution, no more games were ever made, the few times I did post I took some turns in came chat, eddie was complaining, so leo took all his turns and had his password, i never took another turn now care to remember his pw.

In fact, I pm'd leo around March 30th or 31st or so and told him not to join any tournament games for jobi, wait and see if he comes on and let him (jobi) join them as you can see, I thought he still would come on and play, in early April, leo was posting ? marks meaning jobi was still away and he was still taking his turns as evidenced in the above post where jobiwan won 70 points in a game on april 1st, however, this was leo taking his turns as far as I know, I then knew for sure that something was seriously wrong and where the heck was jobi? And then and only then did I think something may be up, I never once thought he was a total absentee, except when I heard on March 29th or 30th that a loved one of his family passed away, even then, I thought, maybe he would come back in a couple days, I never knew he was going to leave the CC site, I mean, give me a break.

It was around this time I heard he had a death in the family. Again, I had no idea, yes, it does look bad, it is embarassing, I shared all this, have you all not been reading what I post? All that I share is honest and sometimes the events look jaded, that the TRUTH gets often dismissed or overlooked. However, I ask you, if read my posts carefully, they all make sense and tell the story, why? because it is the TRUTH.

Do you not think it prudent to maybe invite someone else as opposed to logging in to an absentee's account and joining games on his behalf? Breach of unwritten rule 'hijacking accounts'.

CoF this has already been dealt with, this is why I got the warning. I had NO idea he was ever an absentee until Maybe early April, I knew he was gone for a few days prior to that because he never pm'd me back, this is when i got a little worried. I told you and all, I did not realize that was a big NO NO on CC about joining a few games and i owned up to this, I knew it may be frowned upon, but, I did not really think that was a big deal, the evidence of this is what I posted later on and what Kraphtone did to me, he hijacked his clan members passwords and joined 10 of my public games and did this without their permission and I reported it to the multihunters and nothing happened, they let it go. So, how am I suppose to know?
Jobi won about 700 points in tourney games between March 12th to April 1st.

I just pm'd him again to ask if all is ok, I have heard nothing yet. So, what should I do? Reach out to him again? Do I continue to take some of his turns if I can? Do I let him miss his turns? If he is mourning and feels ok some days, does he take them, and if not, he doesn't?, Do I try to ask him if someone else can take his turns? I am trying to do the right thing here, so asking for help on what to do in this situation? What would you do if this was you in matter?

I tell you what I'd do, along with probably 99.9% of all other users on this site. I'd do the right bloody thing from Day 1. Are you really so naive as to not:
- cease entering him in any more of your games
- decline invites to games he cannot play
- drop him from his games waiting
- cover all his active games to the best of your ability
- get help from leolou if he's a co-sitter
- advise all the TOs of Jobiwan's absence and that he'll be unable to join for the time being
- make some public statement to that effect so you yourself are covered

None of these things were done. None whatsoever.

Again you are posting LIES chariot of fire and have no clue what you are saying, you are misleading. You say none were, but, ALL were. The post you quoted me on was on March 29th or so, his games were ceased, no more were created, NO more games were invited, the few remaining games he had in public were dropped, I got stuck with a few random players. I did cover some of his games when I could, I had many long working days last few weeks, I did get help and leo has been taking his turns, I never advised the TO's, but, I never joined his tourney games. I had thought about making a public statement or at least pm'ing the mods, but, eddie posted it publicly before I could. I also told leo not to join any games he may be invited in, let's see if jobi returns and if he does, let him join them. I was helping leo and jobi, not abusing them.

I've had a few days to mull over what has been said and done and was starting to question whether I had been over-zealous or heavy-handed in my remarks. We have a long playing history of some very memorable (and always challenging) games and, although I've poked fun at your farming antics and boastful posts, I like to believe we held a mutual respect for each other's playing ability. It therefore saddens - and angers more than anything - me when the very player who is atop them all and should be the custodian of all that's fair and good and worth aspiring to turns out to be little more than a talented player who would sell a friend down the river just for a few measly points. That is why I can't forgive and why I don't believe you are worthy of wearing that crown.

That is just it Chariot of Fire, I always have been positive for cc and strive to be a custodian of all that's fair and good and worth aspiring to. I would never sell anyone down a river, and never for a few measly points as you shared, it makes no sense. It was all just unfortunate couple with unawareness.

As far as the forgiveness part, that is your bag, not mine. All I know is when you joined this cc site chariot of fire, you had a racist and abusive name that offened many and many gave you a lot of crap for this, so bad, you had to end of changing your name to chariot of fire for offending so many people. You blamed it on you didn't know and then later, you were drunk, again, it don't matter. I think as time went on, many forgave you. I never judged you once.

I went through Game Finder, selecting only tournament games, going to the last page and working backward to March 08. I stopped at March 08 because most people seem to agree that the abuse didn't start until March 06, and most tournaments allow you 48 hours to join. Therefore, I disregarded quite a few games that were initialized on March 07.

There are 88 Jobiwan tournament games initialized between March 08 and April 01. Of these, he deadbeated 58, was defeated in the ordinary fashion in 24 of them, won 4 of them outright, and amazingly, remains alive in 2 more.

The first of his deadbeat eliminations are as early as March 11th, but games continued to be joined until April 01. That means for THREE WEEKS, his sitter or sitters knew that he was not taking turns, watched his scores plummeting, and yet continued to join more tournament games.

Regardless of whether the rules technically allow a sitter to join tournament games or not, to continue joining them after seeing overwhelming evidence that someone is not going to play and is having his score utterly obliterated has to qualify as some kind of account abuse at the very least.

This is not TRUE either, I just found 9 or 10 tournmanet games he won between early March thru April 1st. Here are the game numbers below. Note: he won over 700 points in just those tourney games I found, there may be more, not sure how you came up with only 4 dukasuar. So, there was no point dump. if that were true, why go thru all the trouble the trouble to win 10 games for 700 points and lose 50 to 70 for 600 points and roughly break even between March 12 thru April 1st? Again, it make no sense!!!!!! As I looked back, he seemed to be off and on, never an absentee! Now, around March 25th or so I had some concern, then about March 30th to April 1st or 2nd I knew he was not on a couple days, but, I still thought he would come back on CC in a few days after grieving. here are some of the games he won in that timeframe.

Game 8687253
Game 8632438
Game 8578903
Game 8690800
Game 8684074
Game 8632438
Game 8577729
Game 8689146
Game 8755066


2011-03-03 00:46:48 - Jobiwan eliminated MrGlassB from the game
2011-03-03 00:46:48 - MrGlassB lost 48 points
2011-03-03 00:46:48 - Jobiwan gained 48 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan eliminated morleyjoe from the game
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - morleyjoe lost 57 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan gained 57 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan won the game


2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Iron Maid lost 82 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Krissan lost 74 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - evilkingjay lost 53 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - MrGlassB lost 70 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - ETROPAL lost 59 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Jobiwan gained 338 points

2011-03-16 00:26:38 - mickunited333 lost 47 points
2011-03-16 00:26:38 - Jobiwan gained 47 points

2011-03-18 16:32:00 - jricart lost 59 points
2011-03-18 16:32:00 - TOBIASAN lost 44 points
2011-03-18 16:32:00 - Jobiwan gained 103 points

2011-03-20 00:46:59 - chopsiu lost 47 points
2011-03-20 00:46:59 - Jobiwan gained 47 points

2011-03-21 01:59:04 - flexmaster33 lost 46 points
2011-03-21 01:59:04 - Jobiwan gained 46 points

2011-03-28 10:03:56 - china210 lost 34 points
2011-03-28 10:03:56 - Jobiwan gained 34 points

2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan won the game
2011-04-01 17:04:49 - rishark1969 lost 70 points
2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan gained 70 points

Elmo9199
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Elmo. Look out the window. Are you sure about your location?

Sorry this is just funny...


Staying on topic from what I can gather is leolou2 started sitting at some point to help out.

P.S. Nobody would have likely noticed any of this had jobiwan not been missing so many turns. That was the first red flag. Aside from that jobiwan is a pretty poor player from what I have seen from him. So being a cook is nothing new to him.

bruceswar you were found guilty not to long ago and blocked from playing in certain players games for throwing points, so you need not say anything and you were never treated unfairly or went thru any of the abuse I have been taken. And, I never did anything except join some games and I already got punished for it. For the last time, no one knew he was missing that many turns which is a red flag, which also shows I had no clue he was missing that many games, as why would I want to bring any of the attention on myself? Again, makes no sense. and yes, he has been a cook off and on many times throughout his cc career. This is nothing new, you are right about that. If they want to block me form playing with him ever if he ever comes back to CC, fine, I wouldn't like it, but, could understand it.

Let's pretend jobiwan never existed before the games in question...

why pretend? he exists, he is real and he was on at times. Kraphtone, you of all people should POST nothing, must I remind you of what you did to me? You purposely hickjacked your clanmates accounts and joined their games and did this without their permission and joined them in 10 of my public games!

review below


2010-05-17 04:48:27 - CAPK81: 10 games like this wow i didnt sign up for these games fess up who signed me up ?
2010-05-17 04:48:49 - CAPK81: i am trying to keep my games between 5-10
2010-05-17 04:49:57 - CAPK81: who ever signed me up take my turns i will not be making them and PLEASE DO NOT DO IT AGAIN
2010-05-17 04:50:48 - CAPK81: this is one of the reasons people dont want to give passwords out
2010-05-17 06:58:21 - Blitzaholic: huh? wow
2010-05-17 06:59:16 - Blitzaholic: It must of been kraphtOne since he joined 1st and in many games.


This is why I feel I am being treated unfairly, kraphtone does this, I reported this to the mods and hunters, and nothing was done about it, they let it go. I remember telling lord voldemort and king sam and maybe others, and after they reviewed it, they let it go, maybe they gave him a warning, I don't know. Also, his clanmates were angry, However, when I did this, and I had permision, and what happened with me was far less then what kraphtone did, I get thrown thru the ringer, get verbally abused, all sorts of judgemental accusations were made about me, some demeaning, mean spirited, some anger, I get reinvestigated twice now after I was already cleared. And for what??????????

Why? jealousy! I don't know?, why so many lies were spread which added confusion, deceit, false accusations, cheap shots all made towards me, some witchhunt was developeded to paint and smear a picture of fabrication to depict me in the worst light possible and all was far from the truth, yet, sadly more started believing these lies where a 2nd time through I need to be investigated.

During this timeframe, some of you broke and violated CC rules of baiting me, flaming me and nothing happens, your posts and thread in the GD forum and others continued for over a week with some strong bashing of me and all let this happen, and it went on day after day after day for over a week. This is why I apologized and said it is embarrassing. The apology was for my admitting some games I joined for him, the embarrassing is all the lies posted and creating so much perplexity, that my name gets smeared for weeks, even after the multihunters cleared me, many of you still wanted my head so much, you have them do it again. I all told you the truth the 1st time best I recollect, then again with this post.

So, ALL of you please do us all a favor, stop this madness and let the mulithunters and mods do their job, do not add work to their schedules + workload and spread and post things that are not fact. Let them resolve this.

You all should assume innocence, but many did the exact opposite even though it does NOT make any sense and I never gave any indication in ALL my years on CC to make anyone think otherwise. Yet, many of you and you all know who you are: BEHAVED according to YOUR opinions of the FACTS and NOT the facts, this is very unhealthy (individually and for a community), however, I forgive you all because some of you may not of known what you did, and just got caught up in the hype of a drama buzz, and all at my own personal expense which has been unfair and unjust up to this point as far as the way I have been treated behaviorally.

respectfully, Blitz

Just copying this before it gets edited.

[Johnny Rockets]

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

This is extremely presumptuous considering he was already looked at once. If the ruling is upheld, are you going to feel the same way?

Even if the ruling is upheld, he was already found guilty and warned. So to answer your question, yes. I've seen JR24 and Blitz put asterisks next to people's names in his threads for much less (including people who had their cases cleared/noted by the mods).

I think what I am trying to say is, he hasnt been found guilty of all these things he is being accused of. Since he was given a warning for a "minor incident", this is something that doesnt tarnish ones name. So JR making that statement is completely out of line.

He was given a warning for a minor incident. Nice way to put it. Then suddenly the alleged infraction list grows, and it looks like "Minor" is the wrong descriptive.
If he's cleared. then I'll buy his next premium.
You elevate yourself to star status, strut and judge, then you better run a clean ship. The incidents and evidence is looking favorable to guilt, but I'll refrain from further judgment until the official findings are posted.
You on the other hand better hope you are backing a clean horse.

JRock

Oh...and I'm ...NOT...." 24".

[eye84free]

eye i did not say that i was saying to blitz that i did not start this as a personal vendeta against him i followed what i was advised by a c and a member. plz can you also post my first contact to you to prove i was looking into a point dumping case via jobi also the pm. you know that you and one other c and a mod are the most repescted by me.

You are correct eddie you did infact first report jobiwan to me about point dumping, this I know to be a fact, it then expanded after you looked into it from what I can tell.

Neither here nor there I belive we are getting of track here and Im just as guilty from my earlier post. I believe others have also got off track so therefore im going to lock this topic for the time being.

[AndyDufresne]

Lets continue to give this topic a 24/36 hour cool down. Tonight or tomorrow morning we'll re-open the topic. Remember, if you have discussion elements to post, please do so in the General Discussion topic. This topic is more for the purpose of making clear the evidence of the case.


--Andy

[eye84free]

This is a warning to all that anyone who tries to continually troll or bait in the C&A thread will again result in having the thread locked again. Lets keep this topic on the correct course and not stray. If it is about this case as in evidence then by all means post it. If not then dont bother posting. This case was reopened due to the people asking to look into it somemore inwhich we are. So please respect the rules and the time inwhich it takes to look into this.


If you just want to say something funny or irrelevant or bait blitz some more, you can always go to the GD thread instead. C&A forum is more strict than the GD forum.

[eddie2]

This is a warning to all that anyone who tries to continually troll or bait in the C&A thread will again result in having the thread locked again. Lets keep this topic on the correct course and not stray. If it is about this case as in evidence then by all means post it. If not then dont bother posting. This case was reopened due to the people asking to look into it somemore inwhich we are. So please respect the rules and the time inwhich it takes to look into this.


If you just want to say something funny or irrelevant or bait blitz some more, you can always go to the GD thread instead. C&A forum is more strict than the GD forum.

thankyou eye84eye for you others the public gd thread is found here.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=142480&view=unread#unread

now lets get back to buisness ok in your statement blitz you fail to mention what date you decided to hide jobiwans stats from the public this is also a thing sitters are not allowed to do let me get my screen shot for this.


just after this jobiwans account was changed. why hide his stats also why be in the forums with that account.

[Robinette]

Lets continue to give this topic a 24/36 hour cool down. Tonight or tomorrow morning we'll re-open the topic. Remember, if you have discussion elements to post, please do so in the General Discussion topic. This topic is more for the purpose of making clear the evidence of the case.

--Andy

This is a warning to all that anyone who tries to continually troll or bait in the C&A thread will again result in having the thread locked again. Lets keep this topic on the correct course and not stray. If it is about this case as in evidence then by all means post it. If not then dont bother posting. This case was reopened due to the people asking to look into it somemore inwhich we are. So please respect the rules and the time inwhich it takes to look into this.


If you just want to say something funny or irrelevant or bait blitz some more, you can always go to the GD thread instead. C&A forum is more strict than the GD forum.

Very professionally done...

it was getting difficult to wade through all the opinions mixed in, so I now look forward to seeing only evidence posted here...


It would still be nice if someone could give a brief synopsis of things thusfar...
If i find the time, i might do it myself just to be thoroughly confident in my own conclusions...

[Leehar]

now lets get back to buisness ok in your statement blitz you fail to mention what date you decided to hide jobiwans stats from the public this is also a thing sitters are not allowed to do let me get my screen shot for this.

Click image to enlarge.

just after this jobiwans account was changed. why hide his stats also why be in the forums with that account.

Hopefully I'm allowed to speak up as a rebuttal, but I fail to see the relevance. Ok, so jobi was on the forums (or his sitter, again not necessarily blitz), but I don't remember that being disallowed. I think there was a ruling made to allow sitters to update clan thread, obv it doesn't apply here exactly, but it serves my point of it not being illegal to browse the forums as a sitter or otherwise?
And can you clarify on the hiding Jobi stats from the public?
[Edit: Ah, wait sorry, you mean how Jobiwans status is now hidden so you can't tell if he's online/when he last visited. Sorry, wasn't sure about the point you were making
But yeah, again, it doesn't necessarily have to be Blitz who changed the status? Perhaps another sitter (leo I guess?), or maybe that was even a side-effect from the guesting?
It is another valid point I guess for the Mh's to find out who changed that? (since it involves going into ucp-a definite no-no?) But then again, I'm not sure it's an infraction on any level higher than sitting abuse for whoever it was that did so? ]

Tbh, so far I've failed to see anything here to go beyond the sitting abuse (which the warning was received for), to the realms of point-dumping or hijacking account levels (which is the only way that the community could seemingly get the extended punishments they're looking for). From what I understand, Jobi's point decrease was before the time Blitz was purported to be sitting for him, similarly hijacking the account would involve Blitz being on his account for an extended duration, which I again don't see occurring.
All we really need to see I guess is when and for how long Blitz was on Jobi's account, and what he did exactly when on it (as opposed to what he didn't?-not sitting all the other games?).
And referring to CoF's post from a few days ago (with the list of guidelines of what blitz should have done etc?), those may be pertinent I guess from an ethical standpoint, but does not doing them necessarily indicate a crime?

[Nephilim]

i have some questions for andy.

what are your thoughts on double jeopardy? in your country, it is unconstitutional. do you think that's a good or a bad thing?

how come Blitz's original case wasn't sufficient? are your mods worthless? are they mad at you for the insuation that they are?

is it possible that the case was reopened because, as you said, blitz is a polarizing figure? what does it say for the C&A system which you have carefully crafted that it can be completely subverted and made a sham when "a portion of the community want [a case] re-looked at?"

what does all of this say for any sense of fairness that the admins of this site can claim? this is a kangaroo court and it's quite sad that a few shrill, puling voices have exposed you so easily.

if you have the courage to reply, please do so via pm to me. because as much as i love blitz and believe that he is innocent and should be defended, i don't have the time to read thru what all these turds have to say just to get to what i want to hear.

[ljex]

i have some questions for andy.

what are your thoughts on double jeopardy? in your country, it is unconstitutional. do you think that's a good or a bad thing?

how come Blitz's original case wasn't sufficient? are your mods worthless? are they mad at you for the insuation that they are?

is it possible that the case was reopened because, as you said, blitz is a polarizing figure? what does it say for the C&A system which you have carefully crafted that it can be completely subverted and made a sham when "a portion of the community want [a case] re-looked at?"

what does all of this say for any sense of fairness that the admins of this site can claim? this is a kangaroo court and it's quite sad that a few shrill, puling voices have exposed you so easily.

if you have the courage to reply, please do so via pm to me. because as much as i love blitz and believe that he is innocent and should be defended, i don't have the time to read thru what all these turds have to say just to get to what i want to hear.

haha, this is not the same as a court of law. Think of this as an appeal though if you want to use that reference

Also there is a lot of evidence to go through in cases like these...why if they don't see something at first they stop or if someone reports a user they are required to give evidence. There was clearly new evidence being talked about in the GD thread and that is why this was reopened...by andy because any user would be crazy to do it themselves without risking a forum vacation of their own.

Anyway I hope blitz is and is found innocent or things could get even uglier than they currently are.

[Fruitcake]

This is a warning to all that anyone who tries to continually troll or bait in the C&A thread will again result in having the thread locked again. Lets keep this topic on the correct course and not stray. If it is about this case as in evidence then by all means post it. If not then dont bother posting. This case was reopened due to the people asking to look into it somemore inwhich we are. So please respect the rules and the time inwhich it takes to look into this.


If you just want to say something funny or irrelevant or bait blitz some more, you can always go to the GD thread instead. C&A forum is more strict than the GD forum.

Shame you could not keep your statement utterly impartial. The partisan nature of the post creeps in at the edges and does no service to the cause of sitzaholic. Your omission of any reference to his supporters is resoundingly loud through its non appearance.

[Chariot of Fire]

Reaching a decision within a week may be optimistic. If one considers there are three protagonists (Blitz, Jobi & Leolou) and a 553 game history that goes back over two years then to do the research thoroughly will be both arduous and time-consuming.

1. A peculiar sequence of moves in early games

Game 5655106 - In Round 6, with Blitz's troops adjacent to his own, Jobiwan nevertheless deploys elsewhere and attacks neutrals.
Game 5655108 - Jobiwan moves off his reef and trims two neutral 10s (Lugger Genocruz & Lugger Pintmar), taking neither but severely weakening himself so that when Blitz comes through he can clear Jobiwan's troops and take the two luggers. Not even the worst player would trim one neutral 10, not take it, and then switch to trimming a second neutral 10 as was evidently the case here.
Game 5558634 and Game 5655107 also contain moves in which Jobiwan seems more intent on taking neutrals than attacking his opponent.

This looks suspiciously like deliberately throwing games

2. A suspicious pattern of early games

Between February 2009 and September 2009 there ensued a series of 56 games, created by Blitz and with Jobiwan in almost every instance the first player in Team 2 (Blitz's opponent). Of these 56 games I believe Team 2 won just six. Either this was an obsession on Jobiwan's part to join all of Blitz's games or, as is more likely, a methodical use of the Invite facility perpetrated by Blitz to put Jobiwan in Team 2. Needless to say, by September 2009 Jobiwan's points had taken a nice battering.

Only a check from the records could verify this, but it may well constitute systematically farming new recruits

3. Farming buddies

In September 2009, with Jobiwan as a cook (and a terrible track record against Blitz) he is nevertheless brought on to Team 1 where over the next 18 months they play 497 games together. This is the player whose password Blitz has conveniently forgotten.

Again a record check would be needed to identify whether Blitz was, within this timeframe, using Jobiwan's account to take his turns and could constitute hijacking an account

4. Entering an absent player into games (Part I)

Game 8771783 was created on the morning of 27th March. This is after Blitz was aware of Jobiwan's absence, yet he knowingly invited an absent player, logged into his account and accepted the invite (whilst at the same time not caring to take any of Jobiwan's turns in non-Blitz games). There were other instances, as evidenced by Eddie2, of Jobiwan being entered into new games yet these were dropped once a C&A report was filed by Eddie (who regrettably didn't get a screen shot). Nevertheless there may be records that can verify these additional, notwithstanding the fact Game 8771783 is irrefutable and as such is hijacking an account

5. Entering an absent player into games (Part II)

The extent to which Jobiwan was entered into games, predominantly tournaments, in which he was obviously going to miss turns shows a deliberate and systematic means to dump points. Records need to be checked to ascertain who the perpetrator was, because controlling Jobiwan's account in such a manner is to be deliberately benefiting from thrown games and intentional deadbeating

6. Wilful neglect of a player's account

Whilst it is not an infringement of any CC rule to not play turns for someone who one sits for, it should nevertheless be taken into consideration when reviewing all the other evidence. To take turns in games in which Jobiwan is a team mate and to then overlook all his other games is indicative of deliberate neglect and the culprit should be held vicariously liable for throwing games and intentional deadbeating

7. Controlling a secondary account

From the screenshot provided by Eddie it's quite evident that Jobiwan's status was set to 'display' and that his presence was seen in the forums. Since that time it would appear his settings have been altered via the Control Panel to hide status. What would be the rationale behind this?

Summary

For starters the warning issued last week was not Blitz's first site infringement as there have been forum violations for which he has been censured, so let's not hear the 'first offence' argument.

Secondly 'ignorance of the law' is not a valid defence in court, neither should it be a valid argument here to say one wasn't aware of the rules. Blitz would have us believe he wasn't aware that what he was doing was wrong (to enter Jobiwan in games) and also that he wasn't aware Jobiwan was missing turns in all his games (over 100 missed turns!).

I told you and all, I did not realize that was a big NO NO on CC about joining a few games

Ironically he defeats his own argument in his latest statement because he admits to reporting Kraphtone for exactly this very thing - entering players into games without their knowledge or consent - and thus was more aware than most that what he did was a deliberate contravention of CC rules.

As for the summary of my previous post and Blitz's rebuttal. I wrote:

I tell you what I'd do, along with probably 99.9% of all other users on this site. I'd do the right bloody thing from Day 1. Are you really so naive as to not:
- cease entering him in any more of your games
- decline invites to games he cannot play
- drop him from his games waiting
- cover all his active games to the best of your ability
- get help from leolou if he's a co-sitter
- advise all the TOs of Jobiwan's absence and that he'll be unable to join for the time being
- make some public statement to that effect so you yourself are covered

None of these things were done. None whatsoever.

To which Blitz replied:

Again you are posting LIES chariot of fire and have no clue what you are saying, you are misleading. You say none were, but, ALL were

Let's see shall we.
- cease entering him in any more of your games - You failed to do this. Game 8771783
- decline invites to games he cannot play - Jobiwan's invites were not declined, they were accepted
- drop him from his games waiting - Also not done
- cover all his active games to the best of your ability - not done
- get help from leolou if he's a co-sitter - obviously no help came
- advise all the TOs of Jobiwan's absence and that he'll be unable to join for the time being - not done
- make some public statement to that effect so you yourself are covered - not done

It seems apparent that the only time you were prompted into any action at all is once the initial C&A report was brought to your attention. At that juncture the only thing you could do was to hastily drop Jobiwan from some of the additional games you had brought him into (as evidenced by Eddie) but it was too late to cover all your tracks.

That's really all from me. From here on in it's down to the powers-that-be to decide whether what you did (and didn't do) was wilful, deliberate, conscious and self-serving. I'm afraid in your case - and this is perhaps what makes it different from any other - is that motive isn't a hard thing to prove against someone so obsessed with topping every achievement list in existence. You have, to all intents and purposes, been hung by your own petard.

[Bruceswar]

COf what you are you missing is there was more than 1 game. The others were dropped shortly after me joining vs them. I think it was 2 or 3 more. I am not 100% sure on the exact number, but there was more than 1 game.

[Chariot of Fire]

COf what you are you missing is there was more than 1 game. The others were dropped shortly after me joining vs them. I think it was 2 or 3 more. I am not 100% sure on the exact number, but there was more than 1 game.

I haven't missed anything mate. See my Point #4. What is lacking is any physical evidence of Jobiwan being in those additional games, thus it's only something that may be verified by checking the IP records. Of course there do happen to be witnesses in the shape of you and Eddie but then it's word against word.

[sonicsteve]

2. A suspicious pattern of early games

... Needless to say, by September 2009 Jobiwan's points had taken a nice battering...

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3. Farming buddies

...In September 2009, with Jobiwan as a cook (and a terrible track record against Blitz) he is nevertheless brought on to Team 1 where over the next 18 months they play 497 games together...
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I found this part interesting, there is obviously fluctuation in Jobiwan's score between February and September as he is in plenty of other games besides the ones in which is losing to Blitz.

However, when you zoom in on the period immediately before Jobiwan starts playing on Blitz's side in September 09 there is quite a dramatic dropoff in points.

If you run map rank for jobiwan from July 24th to August 24th 2009, you will see that in the space of a single month his points drop from 1930 to just 687, a fall of 1243 points.

It takes some effort to drop so many points in such a short time, and coincidentally just before Blitz takes him on. Was there point dumping / grooming back in 2009?

[sonicsteve]

COf what you are you missing is there was more than 1 game. The others were dropped shortly after me joining vs them. I think it was 2 or 3 more. I am not 100% sure on the exact number, but there was more than 1 game.

I haven't missed anything mate. See my Point #4. What is lacking is any physical evidence of Jobiwan being in those additional games, thus it's only something that may be verified by checking the IP records. Of course there do happen to be witnesses in the shape of you and Eddie but then it's word against word.

I also witnessed the existence of those additional games. I started following the original C&A thread after wondering what was going on when jobiwan was deadbeating on me, and I looked to see if he still had games in sign ups. This would've been some days after the original thread started as that was what really piqued my interest in the situation. That makes 3 people who saw them at least.

For the record, I have no history whatsoever with Blitz, so no grudges and I only got interested in this when some of my tournament games got screwed up by deadbeating.

[sunshining]

xxxxxxx

[Bruceswar]

What is the point of all this. The mods are ther for this things. Everybody is screaming about it.
Let the mods figur it out and let this rest for nowe.

The mods can only figure out what is in front of them. The games in question are not there anymore as they were dropped. I believe they were dropped when Jobiwan was guested.


@ COF I now see you mentioned it. I still think they were dropped when jobiwan was guested, though I could be wrong.

[eye84free]

Ok as it stands now I see some people arent heeding the warning. I will say this, unless it is evidence to support or not support the issue at hand, please dont bother posting. I believe there is enough for and against Blitz and Jobiwan to get the point across. I understand yalls frustration on this and trust me all is being done to look into this to its fullest, so please let us do our jobs. I hope all can respect our job here and not make it any harder then it has to be. We want to leave the topic open for evidence as well as things that are need to know but if it goes off track then this option will not be aval. to all who wish for a outcome in this mater. Please be patient a resolution will be forthwith as soon as possible.

[eddie2]

COf what you are you missing is there was more than 1 game. The others were dropped shortly after me joining vs them. I think it was 2 or 3 more. I am not 100% sure on the exact number, but there was more than 1 game.

I haven't missed anything mate. See my Point #4. What is lacking is any physical evidence of Jobiwan being in those additional games, thus it's only something that may be verified by checking the IP records. Of course there do happen to be witnesses in the shape of you and Eddie but then it's word against word.

the bit about witnesses to the extra games also has evil semp who seen then contacted king a (i thinnk) they then blocked jobiwan from joining anymore games which in effect kicked him from any waitng games as well.

[jackal31]

i have some questions for andy.

what are your thoughts on double jeopardy? in your country, it is unconstitutional. do you think that's a good or a bad thing?

how come Blitz's original case wasn't sufficient? are your mods worthless? are they mad at you for the insuation that they are?

is it possible that the case was reopened because, as you said, blitz is a polarizing figure? what does it say for the C&A system which you have carefully crafted that it can be completely subverted and made a sham when "a portion of the community want [a case] re-looked at?"

what does all of this say for any sense of fairness that the admins of this site can claim? this is a kangaroo court and it's quite sad that a few shrill, puling voices have exposed you so easily.

if you have the courage to reply, please do so via pm to me. because as much as i love blitz and believe that he is innocent and should be defended, i don't have the time to read thru what all these turds have to say just to get to what i want to hear.

haha, this is not the same as a court of law. Think of this as an appeal though if you want to use that reference

Also there is a lot of evidence to go through in cases like these...why if they don't see something at first they stop or if someone reports a user they are required to give evidence. There was clearly new evidence being talked about in the GD thread and that is why this was reopened...by andy because any user would be crazy to do it themselves without risking a forum vacation of their own.

Anyway I hope blitz is and is found innocent or things could get even uglier than they currently are.

Well what is it then? A mob lynching? A ego bashing?

I dont want to drag this into an off-topic issue, but Blitz has made a statement, and people are using his honesty against him. That is the only new evidence. So when Blitz makes a statement, then people tear it apart. Oh yeah, Blitz was asked to make a statement too. In fact, one person asked for a public apology, then went and baited him for it. So you mean to tell me if he was to publicly apologize, then the public would have swept this under the rug? I dont think so, they would have wanted to know why he was apologizing for something that he really didnt do. This would have been anadmission of guilt.

Blitz has come out and tried to defend himself, and everyone wants to provide "new evidence" when in actuality, they are twisting what he says. And Neph does makes some great points too, what is it going to say about the mod's who have already looked into this? What type of things should we expect in the future? In addition, Blitz promoting the questions about past occurrences is a just questions, because some of those situations are far worse than what is being discussed here. They were given a warning, why should Blitz be faced with a different outcome?

This is not a discussion, but some of the points I have in offering a defense for Blitz. Which are very valid.

[lord voldemort]

Ok as it stands now I see some people arent heeding the warning. I will say this, unless it is evidence to support or not support the issue at hand, please dont bother posting. I believe there is enough for and against Blitz and Jobiwan to get the point across. I understand yalls frustration on this and trust me all is being done to look into this to its fullest, so please let us do our jobs. I hope all can respect our job here and not make it any harder then it has to be. We want to leave the topic open for evidence as well as things that are need to know but if it goes off track then this option will not be aval. to all who wish for a outcome in this mater. Please be patient a resolution will be forthwith as soon as possible.

i disagree...since it was unlocked there has been mostly positive and helpful post in regards to the topic...like was said in gd i think.
if people get out of hand in this thread then treat them as the indivual.
this thread is not a group spamming trolling effort. sure maybe the odd person or two. but thats no reason to lock the thread.

[AndyDufresne]

Lord Voldemort, please take your discussion about non-evidence to the GD topic, if you kindly could.

The Admins and the Multi Hunters are conferring today.


--Andy

[eddie2]

Lord Voldemort, please take your discussion about non-evidence to the GD topic, if you kindly could.

The Admins and the Multi Hunters are conferring today.


--Andy

i am no good at map rank so can someone maybe do a cross reference with all these 500 team games they are usually in groups of 5 or 10. we might see a pattern of jobiwans dropping loads of points. about these game set up times.

[Dukasaur]

I went through Game Finder, selecting only tournament games, going to the last page and working backward to March 08. I stopped at March 08 because most people seem to agree that the abuse didn't start until March 06, and most tournaments allow you 48 hours to join. Therefore, I disregarded quite a few games that were initialized on March 07.

There are 88 Jobiwan tournament games initialized between March 08 and April 01. Of these, he deadbeated 58, was defeated in the ordinary fashion in 24 of them, won 4 of them outright, and amazingly, remains alive in 2 more.
...

This is not TRUE either, I just found 9 or 10 tournament games he won between early March thru April 1st. Here are the game numbers below. Note: he won over 700 points in just those tourney games I found, there may be more, not sure how you came up with only 4 dukasuar.

Game 8687253
Game 8632438
Game 8578903
Game 8690800
Game 8684074
Game 8632438
Game 8577729
Game 8689146
Game 8755066

Four of the games on that list were joined before March 08. Like I said, I only looked at games joined from March 08 on. Still, that means I miscounted by one.

So my statement "won 4 of them outright," should be "won 5 of them outright."