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TWILL

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:34 pm

Accused:

Twill

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Abuse of power
Abusing the community guidelines
Abuse of responsibility
Flamebaiting
Complete lack of professionalism

Comments:

Before I get into the details I will quickly list the three main reasons why I am making this topic.

1. This particular topic needed to be made.
2. "To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln
"Powerlessness and silence go together." - Margaret Atwood
3. There is a current war on farming, inadequately initiated, with inept, potentially disastrous parameters, where it seems a large bulk of time and energy has been spent. When in fact one man, Twill, is doing more damage to the community and Conquer Club than Farming has done, will do, and probably could ever do.


I was banned for 24 hours for flaming Twill after he baited me. It was my first flame post outside of the Flame forum. I have not received a legitimate PM warning prior to my first flame post, I received no Pm warning about the Flame post. I was immediately given a ban, even though it was my first offence.
Community Guidelines wrote: 24 Hour(ban)
For users who have yet to learn from their first offense actions. Calm down, cool it, regroup, be happy.


Community Guidelines wrote:Flaming out of flame wars will get your post edited and will get you a warning from a mod.


Community Guidelines wrote:Flame baiting (or just baiting) is the intentional attempt to get someone else to flame.
Just because you didn't directly attack another user does not make your post a meaningful contribution. If your post's intent was to provoke another user into an emotional response, to get under their skin or to otherwise piss them off, you're baiting them. Hopefully the user doesn't take the bait, but you'll probably get a warning from a mod.


Twoll's baiting, mocking, error strewn post - Which is below.

Twill wrote:ROFLMAO.

You claim no mod has posted in here, but I see no less than 3 mods posting.

You claim that it's impossible for there to be porn on youtube because it's banned, yet that would mean that there's no flaming on this site outside of the flame wars. Flawless logic there mate.

You claim that I'm telling a fib about what I saw very clearly linked on YouTube? A hand sticking into a vagina is generally considered to be pornographic. Now, I may be overly conservative, but I'm pretty sure that violates the no porn linked rule.

You claim that the thread linked to an 18 or over page. If you want to be technical about it, the thread linked to the video, and youtube inserted the 18 or over warning, so pimp did link to a page with porn linked on it.

You claim that NS needs a youtube account to mod CC? I ROFLMAO again. If he needs a youtube account to mod CC, you need a life to post on the forums.

go away and come back when you're not going to be a douche because this forum doesn't link to porn or site which contain porn, regardless of their rules.

M'kay, thanks and bye now.

Twill


I'm not going to critique Twill's post by pointing out every single error/lie/mistake(intentional or otherwise, I don't know which but from what I have witnessed I am leaning towards the former). There is, however, at least one of those three things in each paragraph of Twills post(that's a MINIMUM of SIX).

Does youtube allow porn? No. Was the video Twill watched and referenced as porn, porn? No(and he knows it). Which is why the video is not deleted. The video twill CLICKED on is an educational video, there is nothing remotely sexual about it, and it is most definitely not pornography. For anyone to suggest otherwise, is a LIAR(one lie amongst many, in one post - the jury is in, Twill is dishonest and cannot be trusted)


Question - Which rule did Dave break with the posting of his topic?
Community Guidelines wrote:Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.
This includes content posted here and links to other sites. Posting NSFW - "Not Suitable For Work" - does not make it ok for posting.
If it is ambiguous, we'll ask you to remove it anyway, so "It's a guy's nipple" isn't going to fly. You're just trying to be annoying at that point.
Posting a painting from the 13th century with exposed nipples to claim that we're evil dictators when we ask you to remove it is also just being annoying, and you're probably just being a troll at that point.
Pornography in chat or in the forums will frequently earn an immediate 24-hour vacation, even without a warning first.


Answer - no rule.

For Twill

I'm sure I've accidently left out a few things I had intended to include, and some things I left out because I would be accused of flaming or some silly nonsense.

I am almost entirely certain that a lot of members could(and hopefully will) add to this topic with events of Twill abusing his position, flaming, having complete disregard for the rules, as they apply to everyone else but him apparently, etc.

I am not enjoying Conquer Club at the moment, there are several reasons for this( a large percentage of it is the inconsistency of the mods, the poor decisions made by them, and the abuse) and I'm really doubting whether I'll renew when my premium runs out.

One last thing, some of the things I omitted from including in the form:
When someone is in a position of power they must have certain attributes, otherwise they are not fit to the job asked of them, and they should be removed.
1 - Sound judgement
2 - reasoned, thought out actions/reactions
3 - A certain level of intelligence
4 - self control
5 - Humility is not a necessity, but it sure goes a long way.
6 - Being able to set a good example
The Boss - Lack, if by some miracle you get to read this, as far as I can see, your RHM fails all six.

This is a serious abuse claim, I filled the form, I want this dealt with.
(please don't flame in this topic)

:Edited to add quote on 24 hour banning.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Kotaro on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:43 pm

Uhh
There's plenty of porn on youtube, as well as non-pornographic-but-suggestive-material, such as; "blond girls rubbing and feeling", tos tate just one recent "stumple upon" video. And, another fun fact about youtube, if you make an account, set your age to whatever you want, youtube believes you. Apparently, I'm going on my 86th birthday, :lol:

Useless thread. Twill's doing a fine job, stop being a douche.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:44 pm

It doesn't matter if the picture/video is pornographic, educational, or a video of your mom giving birth to you, if it shows genitalia or other reproductive parts, it WILL be removed from this forum. I believe the Community Guidelines are VERY clear about this fact. So whether the video was "pornographic" or not doesn't matter; the items on the page violated CC rules, which are the ones that matter on this forum.
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Re: TWILL

Postby owenshooter on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:53 pm

i may disagree with some of twill's decisions, but i always respect them and the job he does around here. i am always able to work out whatever issue i have with his decisions or have him explain them clearly. but i always abide by them and respect the immense amount of work he does for the community. you broke the rules, a very clear rule, and there were consequences. good luck with your C&A thread, maybe it will get passed up to twill where he can make an impartial ruling on it... the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-nothing like flaming in a thread that contains complaints about flaming. especially when the OP states he was banned for the offense without a warning.. ahem:
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Re: TWILL

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:56 pm

Night Strike wrote:It doesn't matter if the picture/video is pornographic, educational, or a video of your mom giving birth to you, if it shows genitalia or other reproductive parts, it WILL be removed from this forum. I believe the Community Guidelines are VERY clear about this fact. So whether the video was "pornographic" or not doesn't matter; the items on the page violated CC rules, which are the ones that matter on this forum.



Did you bother even reading my post? Or are you another member of the CC team that hasn't fully developed reading skills yet?

I posted the CG section on porn...
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Re: TWILL

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:00 pm

Aradhus wrote:Did you bother even reading my post? Or are you another member of the CC team that hasn't fully developed reading skills yet?

I posted the CG section on porn...


I thought you said no flaming in this thread??? :roll:

And I guess i skimmed the quoted part........I was going off the paragraph right before where you said the video was clearly educational. It doesn't matter the purpose of the material if it contains nudity.
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Re: TWILL

Postby hecter on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:03 pm

Aradhus wrote:I posted the CG section on porn...

Ya... It says that there's no nudity allowed at all, ever. Kinda like the personal information guidelines. They're making blanket statements.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:13 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Aradhus wrote:Did you bother even reading my post? Or are you another member of the CC team that hasn't fully developed reading skills yet?

I posted the CG section on porn...


I thought you said no flaming in this thread??? :roll:

And I guess i skimmed the quoted part........I was going off the paragraph right before where you said the video was clearly educational. It doesn't matter the purpose of the material if it contains nudity.


Both questions were genuine. One last time. Read the CG section that I posted, please - and read what Twill said(and while you're at it, don't forget what the subject is here, its Twill).
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Re: TWILL

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:25 pm

Twill wrote:You claim that I'm telling a fib about what I saw very clearly linked on YouTube? A hand sticking into a vagina is generally considered to be pornographic. Now, I may be overly conservative, but I'm pretty sure that violates the no porn linked rule.


Hmm......that sounds like nudity as defined in the Community Guidelines. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
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Re: TWILL

Postby lancehoch on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:32 pm

Aradhus wrote:Both questions were genuine. One last time. Read the CG section that I posted, please - and read what Twill said(and while you're at it, don't forget what the subject is here, its Twill).

Telling NS to read the CG is like telling Jefferson to read the Declaration of Independence. He wrote it.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Stephan Wayne on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:34 pm

The truth is out
due all the mods are just kids with to much power put what can we do ? nothing
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Re: TWILL

Postby Kotaro on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:39 pm

Stephen Wayne wrote:due all the mods are just kids with to much power put what can we do ?

Troll?

Twill is doing a great job, and people are just pissy because he's enforcing the new rules.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:44 pm

Aradhus wrote:Accused:
Twill
The accused are suspected of:
Other: Abuse of power
Abusing the community guidelines
Abuse of responsibility
Flamebaiting
Complete lack of professionalism


I have, on occasion, been in absolute disagreement with Twill on various subjects. In fact, I have been in absolute inflammatory (on my part) disagreement with him. And yet, for all of my over-aggressive flaming against him, he has always reacted with complete professionalism and I have never felt like he was abusing his power in any way. Quite honestly, from my personal experience and from what I've seen of him, this is a completely unfounded accusation.
(Granted, I'm certainly in no position to render any official judgement.)
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Re: TWILL

Postby Stephan Wayne on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:44 pm

Kotaro wrote:
Stephen Wayne wrote:due all the mods are just kids with to much power put what can we do ?

Troll?

Twill is doing a great job, and people are just pissy because he's enforcing the new rules.


yes you are beating thank you
and no twill and all the mods lack simple understanding of the human psyche and world sysity
to really you cant just go and make this rules like this and not understand the long term repercussions
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Re: TWILL

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:51 pm

Stephen Wayne wrote:
Kotaro wrote:
Stephen Wayne wrote:due all the mods are just kids with to much power put what can we do ?

Troll?

Twill is doing a great job, and people are just pissy because he's enforcing the new rules.


yes you are beating thank you
and no twill and all the mods lack simple understanding of the human psyche and world sysity
to really you cant just go and make this rules like this and not understand the long term repercussions


Huh?
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Re: TWILL

Postby Stephan Wayne on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:58 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Stephen Wayne wrote:
Kotaro wrote:
Stephen Wayne wrote:due all the mods are just kids with to much power put what can we do ?

Troll?

Twill is doing a great job, and people are just pissy because he's enforcing the new rules.


yes you are beating thank you
and no twill and all the mods lack simple understanding of the human psyche and world sysity
to really you cant just go and make this rules like this and not understand the long term repercussions


Huh?

yeah sorry that was over you head by a mile and really it was just talking about a subject not really geitng into it :lol:
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Re: TWILL

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:04 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Twill wrote:You claim that I'm telling a fib about what I saw very clearly linked on YouTube? A hand sticking into a vagina is generally considered to be pornographic. Now, I may be overly conservative, but I'm pretty sure that violates the no porn linked rule.


Hmm......that sounds like nudity as defined in the Community Guidelines. It doesn't get much clearer than that.


Twill claimed it was pornography,(stop trying to play word games, and have some integrity) and in fact described it as if it was pornography, to amplify the potential to enforce absurd laws. When it was clealry an educational video - which if Twill watched he must have known, and intentionally worded his posts in such a manner to disguise that it was educational.

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

So Youtube is now banned completely from ConquerClub, then?

Still - the topic is about Twill abusing rules, which I see has been ignored by the four posts posted by the mods so far.
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Re: TWILL

Postby Optimus Prime on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:05 pm

DEAR GOD!!! EVERYONE GET A BLOODY LIFE ALREADY AND SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT HOW THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOBS!!! NONE OF YOU WHO KEEP COMPLAINING WOULD DO ANY BETTER OF A JOB THAN IS ALREADY BEING DONE, SO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE THE HELL ALONG!!!
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Re: TWILL

Postby The Fuzzy Pengui on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:06 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



PS - I like twill...he's a pretty good guy and I don't think he's abused his position. I didn't see the video, but I trust him when he says what he saw. Educational or not, if there was a vagina pictured, that isn't allowed.

EDIT: just went to check the CG's...here's where it states it's not allowed.
CG wrote:Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.
  • Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.
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Re: TWILL

Postby lancehoch on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:09 pm

Aradhus wrote:Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

Yes, it is. Nudity is explicitly banned. Period. End of discussion.
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Re: TWILL

Postby DaGip on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:10 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:DEAR GOD!!! EVERYONE GET A BLOODY LIFE ALREADY AND SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT HOW THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOBS!!! NONE OF YOU WHO KEEP COMPLAINING WOULD DO ANY BETTER OF A JOB THAN IS ALREADY BEING DONE, SO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE THE HELL ALONG!!!


You are a very angry angry man, and should probably take a few "9-11 Truth Movement" classes....
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Re: TWILL

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:12 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Twill wrote:You claim that I'm telling a fib about what I saw very clearly linked on YouTube? A hand sticking into a vagina is generally considered to be pornographic. Now, I may be overly conservative, but I'm pretty sure that violates the no porn linked rule.


Hmm......that sounds like nudity as defined in the Community Guidelines. It doesn't get much clearer than that.


Twill claimed it was pornography,(stop trying to play word games, and have some integrity) and in fact described it as if it was pornography, to amplify the potential to enforce absurd laws. When it was clealry an educational video - which if Twill watched he must have known, and intentionally worded his posts in such a manner to disguise that it was educational.

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

So Youtube is now banned completely from ConquerClub, then?

Still - the topic is about Twill abusing rules, which I see has been ignored by the four posts posted by the mods so far.


It's called poking holes in your argument. I'm calling BS on your argument about Twill overstepping the rules about the nudity in the video. That was one of your main points in your original post, and I'm pointing out who your argument was flawed. Flawed arguments hurt your case against Twill.

Educational nudity is nudity with an 11 letter word in front of it. Educational + Nudity = Nudity = broken community guidelines.

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Re: TWILL

Postby nagerous on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:13 pm

Twill is a master baiter and a troll, he thrives off it! Keep at it twill! :P I love the way he runs the community, to quote the guy himself "where would CC be without the controversy ;)"
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Re: TWILL

Postby gimil on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:14 pm

I think I am starting to see the bigger picture in this forum. Before I start let me make this clear, I support twill, and his decisions.

Now lets start with some simple general knowledge:

1. Do humans make mistakes? Yes

2. Do mods make mistakes? Yes

3. Are mods human? Yes

Now lets think for a second. We all make mistakes. The problem is, the CC community seems to think that shouting and huffing and posting usless threads just to point out that 'you' think something someone done was wrong. You may all see some group of power hungrey kids banning, posting warning, "inconsistant"policy enforcment etc. To be honest what I see is mindless complaining, people pushing the mods hard, saturation of the forums with negative vibes plus other nonsence. Now I am not saying that teamCC is golden, because we're not, and anyone would be a fool to think otherwise. What I am saying is wether you think what we are right or wrong, we are simply trying to do our best. Unfortunatly this isn't possible when you have a community that take apart every detail or ever action or thing said my a mod to be used against a mod. All alot of you guys seem to do is push and push and push and push. Not only does it get boaring, it gets frustrating and harms CC as a whole.

Now I love CC and love alot of the people on CC, its a great place to be. Nut ne honest with me, do you think this place would be easier to moderate if there was less:

-people fighting every decision
-pushing the mods to make mistakes
-people saying 'do it my way'
-other bullshit and we all know exist

Please, just give teamCC some space and time to regroup. THe last few months have been nothing but misery to watch and all you guys do push, push, push. Come on, this is a casual gaming site. Start treating CC as a casual gaming site, not as a game of politics. We are not here to dicate your life, we are here to moderate a community where you are all suppose to interact with each other, not start coilitions against the mod squad.

Is it to much to ask?
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Re: TWILL

Postby The Neon Peon on Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:DEAR GOD!!! EVERYONE GET A BLOODY LIFE ALREADY AND SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT HOW THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOBS!!! NONE OF YOU WHO KEEP COMPLAINING WOULD DO ANY BETTER OF A JOB THAN IS ALREADY BEING DONE, SO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE THE HELL ALONG!!!

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