Noted Seinfeld1 / vidaro

[Hardline]

Accused:

Seinfeld1
vidaro



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):

Game 16063126


Comments:

I'm not certain on this but could use some help verifying. The two are both from the same location, both accounts opened with 48 hours of each other, and if you look at their game history you'll see the two play together in almost every round, with Seinfeld1 always taking the win. They play a number of 1v1's with Seinfeld1 taking the wins there as well.

They seem to have knowledge of the board in my game which would indicate info is being shared somehow outside the public chat, and when they DO use public chat, they have identical speech patterns. They work in tandem without communication and they gang up verbally on the other players.

Lots of red flags for either multis or secret diplomacies here. Enough that I just wanted to get it checked out.

Thanks!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can you post some non-fog game numbers pls? Sounds like you've done the leg work, we just need to see those games.

[owenshooter]

51 games together... Seinfeld has won over 40 of those... pretty obvious... quick search was all it took, but yes, the OP could post some of those games here.
this is pretty open and shut nice try, Seinfeld1!!!



the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

[MagnusGreeol]

- Took me literally 3 minutes of going through the games they have together, Time lines of turns are very close together, never chat between the two, and They have been in quite a lot of 3 player together, the unknowing victim would never know what was hitting him, Surprised from all those 3 player wars no one came faster with a SD at least. Don't look good, that's 4sure.

\MTM/ ♎

[owenshooter]

- Took me literally 3 minutes of going through the games they have together, Time lines of turns are very close together, never chat between the two, and They have been in quite a lot of 3 player together, the unknowing victim would never know what was hitting him, Surprised from all those 3 player wars no one came faster with a SD at least. Don't look good, that's 4sure.

\MTM/ ♎

yeah, you look at it for all of 36 seconds and it's over with... really shocked nobody turned this guy in sooner...-Jésus noir

[Oystein bloodaxe]

Seinfeld1 and Vidaro are not the same person, I know them both. This is a open forum isn't it? It may be an idea to tone down the allegations and conclusions before anything is proven. I can promise you that those guys eager to kick each others ass, and S1 is a pretty good player for sure.

Walk on..

[owenshooter]

Seinfeld1 and Vidaro are not the same person, I know them both. This is a open forum isn't it? It may be an idea to tone down the allegations and conclusions before anything is proven. I can promise you that those guys eager to kick each others ass, and S1 is a pretty good player for sure.

Walk on..

yeah... that is why one has never beaten the other... and this is exactly where allegations are posted, for mods to do what they do and make a ruling. interesting that your ONE post is to defend these guys... maybe you are part of the racket too...

let's see... with a quick look, vidaro is 2-36 against this guy... oddly enough, he even plays on the losing team against his friend on occasion... then, when you look at Oystein, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS GAMES IS WITH THESE GUYS!!! he seems in on the action too... this is just a mess... i hope this leads to the stripping of premium and a site ban...-Jésus noir

[TimWoodbury]

i spose its possable these guys ae all friends so at the very least secret diplo

[iAmCaffeine]

Looks more like a group of friends.

[owenshooter]

Looks more like a group of friends.

aaaand, the one with rank just happens to win every game they play, excluding two? including games when his "friends" are on the other team? ok...-Jésus noir

[owenshooter]

Just a quick sampling!!! this goes far beyond friends...-Jésus noir

p.s.-there are more than 30 more games like this...

Game 16054637
Game 16054646
Game 16055214
Game 16068896
Game 16074169
Game 16088905
Game 16089732
Game 16102694
Game 16102696
Game 15683988
Game 15746515
Game 15748537
Game 15748631
Game 15781685
Game 15871216

then again, i'm sure they are just friends
playing on the subway:

[clangfield]

Just a quick sampling!!! this goes far beyond friends...-Jésus noir

p.s.-there are more than 30 more games like this...

Game 16054637
Game 16054646
Game 16055214
Game 16068896
Game 16074169
Game 16088905
Game 16089732
Game 16102694
Game 16102696
Game 15683988
Game 15746515
Game 15748537
Game 15748631
Game 15781685
Game 15871216

then again, i'm sure they are just friends
playing on the subway:

Hmm... not convinced by this. The higher ranked player goes first, both attack each other, higher ranked player wins after more than a dozen rounds in a 2 player game... how does that suggest anything untoward?
Not saying they're not multi or sd, but examine some of these games and there isn't anything suspicious about them.

[EspenOvergaard]

I know Seinfeld1. We are releated and he is the one who got me into playing this game. He is a very good player and he is not a cheated.

I dont know Vidar, but my understanding is that he is another Norwegian player that Seinfeld1 invited to play.

Sometimes we set up games between the Norwegian players. However, we experienced that tension got high and now we mostly play together against other players.

I would be very surprised if Vidar is not a real person. I am convinced he is.

[riskllama]

I no longer care if they're guilty or not. this thread is now about that Seinfeld clip. thx, owen...

[MagnusGreeol]

- Hey, that's cool if friends and relatives play together, My thing personally is that You three should play as trips team, or 1vs 1 against each other or just 3 way amongst yourselves. I do not however, believe it is fair if say you 2-3 are playing in standard with 1-2 other people who might not know just how close a knit it is?

\MGM/ ♎

P.S - Priceless Seinfeld clip OS!! ")

[MagnusGreeol]

- Hey, that's cool if friends and relatives play together, My thing personally is that You three should play as trips team, or 1vs 1 against each other or just 3 way amongst yourselves. I do not however, believe it is fair if say you 2-3 are playing in standard with 1-2 other people who might not know just how close a knit it is?

\MGM/ ♎

P.S - Priceless Seinfeld clip OS!! ")

-P.S.S- I have a handful of Norwegian friends here, Great people! ")

[owenshooter]

- Hey, that's cool if friends and relatives play together, My thing personally is that You three should play as trips team, or 1vs 1 against each other or just 3 way amongst yourselves. I do not however, believe it is fair if say you 2-3 are playing in standard with 1-2 other people who might not know just how close a knit it is?

\MGM/ ♎

P.S - Priceless Seinfeld clip OS!! ")

and let's not forget playing on the other team, in team games... and those teams always just happen to lose, too...-Jésus noir

ONE MORE TIME!!!

[Keefie]

Owenshooter, you are not a C&A mod (thankfully) so what gives you the right to post this on the accused's wall. It's about time that you stopped getting involved with things that don't concern you.

you are in C&A for being a multi... you are about to lose your premium and be Guested...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=215659&p=4748603#p4748603
good luck!-0

[owenshooter]

Owenshooter, you are not a C&A mod (thankfully) so what gives you the right to post this on the accused's wall. It's about time that you stopped getting involved with things that don't concern you.

you are in C&A for being a multi... you are about to lose your premium and be Guested...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=215659&p=4748603#p4748603
good luck!-0

um, as we have all said in the past, it is really nice to let someone know they are in C&A, so they can come put up a defense. soooo, as usual, you are out of the loop... you aren't going to even get so far as a "friendly warning" out of the mod squad for my posting on a wall that they are in C&A. too many times, people put others in C&A and never tell them. we have had this discussion about 1 million and 4 times, pretty confident i didn't violate a rule... good luck with that!!! and, as you posted, i posted, "GOOD LUCK!"... so, start your own C&A thread, if you have an issue. otherwise, please stay on topic... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

[Keefie]

Owenshooter, you are not a C&A mod (thankfully) so what gives you the right to post this on the accused's wall. It's about time that you stopped getting involved with things that don't concern you.

you are in C&A for being a multi... you are about to lose your premium and be Guested...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=215659&p=4748603#p4748603
good luck!-0

um, as we have all said in the past, it is really nice to let someone know they are in C&A, so they can come put up a defense. soooo, as usual, you are out of the loop... you aren't going to even get so far as a "friendly warning" out of the mod squad for my posting on a wall that they are in C&A. too many times, people put others in C&A and never tell them. we have had this discussion about 1 million and 4 times, pretty confident i didn't violate a rule... good luck with that!!! and, as you posted, i posted, "GOOD LUCK!"... so, start your own C&A thread, if you have an issue. otherwise, please stay on topic... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

I think your being completely disingenuous.

If you had said 'Hey mate, just to let you know there's a C&A report about you' then that would match with your stated intentions. Instead your behaving like you're Judge, Jury and Executioner.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Keefie take this elsewhere

[owenshooter]

If you had said 'Hey mate, just to let you know there's a C&A report about you' then that would match with your stated intentions. Instead your behaving like you're Judge, Jury and Executioner.

your interpretation, not my intent... good guess, but wholly inaccurate and grossly wrong... good luck proving that... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-if anyone took the suggestion to notify people accused in C&A seriously, we wouldn't have to worry about this, would we?

[clangfield]

Owenshooter, you are not a C&A mod (thankfully) so what gives you the right to post this on the accused's wall. It's about time that you stopped getting involved with things that don't concern you.

you are in C&A for being a multi... you are about to lose your premium and be Guested...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=215659&p=4748603#p4748603
good luck!-0

um, as we have all said in the past, it is really nice to let someone know they are in C&A, so they can come put up a defense. soooo, as usual, you are out of the loop... you aren't going to even get so far as a "friendly warning" out of the mod squad for my posting on a wall that they are in C&A. too many times, people put others in C&A and never tell them. we have had this discussion about 1 million and 4 times, pretty confident i didn't violate a rule... good luck with that!!! and, as you posted, i posted, "GOOD LUCK!"... so, start your own C&A thread, if you have an issue. otherwise, please stay on topic... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

I think your being completely disingenuous.

If you had said 'Hey mate, just to let you know there's a C&A report about you' then that would match with your stated intentions. Instead your behaving like you're Judge, Jury and Executioner.

The word is actually "ingenuous", if you mean naive. "Disingenuous" actually means sophisticated... I'm sure you didn't mean that about Owen... Of course, it's also "you're".


To be impartial...points on both sides:
1) It's a good thing to let people know they're under investigation. It should happen automatically - either from the accuser or the mod who picks up the case.
2) One would have to agree that "you are about to lose your premium and be Guested..." does rather suggest a prejudgement and a decision which is not yours to make. Perhaps "you are in danger of" might be a better phrase, or indeed, nothing added at all.

[MagnusGreeol]

Owenshooter, you are not a C&A mod (thankfully) so what gives you the right to post this on the accused's wall. It's about time that you stopped getting involved with things that don't concern you.

you are in C&A for being a multi... you are about to lose your premium and be Guested...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=215659&p=4748603#p4748603
good luck!-0

um, as we have all said in the past, it is really nice to let someone know they are in C&A, so they can come put up a defense. soooo, as usual, you are out of the loop... you aren't going to even get so far as a "friendly warning" out of the mod squad for my posting on a wall that they are in C&A. too many times, people put others in C&A and never tell them. we have had this discussion about 1 million and 4 times, pretty confident i didn't violate a rule... good luck with that!!! and, as you posted, i posted, "GOOD LUCK!"... so, start your own C&A thread, if you have an issue. otherwise, please stay on topic... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

I think your being completely disingenuous.

If you had said 'Hey mate, just to let you know there's a C&A report about you' then that would match with your stated intentions. Instead your behaving like you're Judge, Jury and Executioner.

The word is actually "ingenuous", if you mean naive. "Disingenuous" actually means sophisticated... I'm sure you didn't mean that about Owen... Of course, it's also "you're".


To be impartial...points on both sides:
1) It's a good thing to let people know they're under investigation. It should happen automatically - either from the accuser or the mod who picks up the case.
2) One would have to agree that "you are about to lose your premium and be Guested..." does rather suggest a prejudgement and a decision which is not yours to make. Perhaps "you are in danger of" might be a better phrase, or indeed, nothing added at all.

+1 For Clang, Right is right no matter how ya slice it

+1 For OS, He is quick witted and quite funny with his follow up clips

+1 For Keefie, He's very helpful and friendly, great clan director

- Let the Mods sort through it, It looks more like a Norwegian pack of wolves than a multi personality.

~¥~\MGM/~¥~

[owenshooter]

- Let the Mods sort through it, It looks more like a Norwegian pack of wolves than a multi personality.

Norwegian Pack of Wolves... enough said...-Jésus noir