newnickyboy - secret diplomacy [ka]

by **lucbra** on Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:17 pm

Accused:

newnickyboy

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 15290041

Comments:

Player newnickyboy tried to put a truce in place with me (lucbra) by putting private messages on my wall. In my opinion he violated the rules by not placing truce requests in the in game chat.

by **Major.Bossman** on Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:31 pm

Could you post a screenshot or quotes of the messages. If I am correct the sender can delete posts that he or she makes on someone else's wall.

by **king achilles** on Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:49 pm

newnickyboy has been warned.

by **owenshooter** on Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:18 pm

hmmm, kind of odd... he put it in game chat first... guess he should have said, "check the chat i left for you" on the wall... i don't care... just thinking out loud... great catch...-Jésus noir

by **lucbra** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:51 am

Sorry for re-opening ...

The fact that he tries to use a channel other than the ingame chat annoyed me. On top he sent me a private message on my email account afterwards :

15290041
[left out his personal mail address here]
Thurs 19/02/2015 22:09
To:
[my personal name was here];

may i suggest you recant your accusations.
As you will find, you were wrong.
I expect an apology, public in communal chat and a copy of your notification to Conquer Club that you have made an erroneous error in judgment.
I expect a fully apology in any public arena that you have made your accusation and a personal apology on my board.

I don't know where this is going to end

by **Donelladan** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:55 am

Well I guess you are allowing CC users to contact you through email. I don't see how else he could have your email adress.
So you go to Control Panel/Board preferences/ User can contact me per email " yes / no "-

And btw, your first post was wrong since newnickyboy did post his offer in the game chat first, as owen already pointed out. Weird ruling ka !

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:27 am

I have not posted anything on Lucbra's board that is not in here in communal chat.

What was copied and pasted in communal chat 2015-02-18 07:46:14, and 2015-02-19 07:46:23, 2015-02-19 07;49:56, was only afterwards posted on Lucbra's public post.

It would appear I made a 'technical' mistake by posting the same chat comments on both a public wall and in communal chat. For that i apologize to all players, however, it is quite apparent to CC and anyone with common sense, that no deceptive practices were undertaken.

Even another player inside the game has said: 'no. I don't think you cheated...............Not a cheat from what I can see.'

So it is very clear to everyone and anyone, that no deceptive practices were intended. Also Lucbra received other public board messages referring to game chat, however due to my banter with other players, my messages to him may be 'lost' or unread. Hence i posted the EXACT same text on his board, so he would not miss.

Anyhow, i accept , as I have said I made a technical error.

I accept the 'warning' as being a kind reminder to not post same text on public walls as in communal game chat.

I also appreciate the support from other players who have contacted me over this post and offered their support over such a ridiculous complaint.

As for the email; i wanted Lucbra to resolve the situation as he accused me not of a technical mistake but rather of underhand and cheating practices. This is clearly what not happened.

I wish everyone well in the future and thank you for bringing this post to my attention.

by **Major.Bossman** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:52 pm

While your intent may not have been for cheating your actions were in line with secret diplomacy. Posting a truce request outside the accepted channels is an act of secret diplomacy. With this in mind you were accused of secret diplomacy by Lucbra and found to have committed secret diplomacy so it is not necessary for Lucbra to issue an apology. It may be a technical error but that error is classifiable as secret diplomacy even though it may be unintended secret diplomacy.

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:57 pm

My email/request was on the 19th, 2 days ago.

''15290041
[left out his personal mail address here]
Thurs 19/02/2015 22:09
To:
[my personal name was here];''

This was BEFORE, i received notification and understood any honest mistake I had made.

I have since clearly stated that I accept that I made an honest mistake and it has also been noted that no deceptive intend was undertaken by me.

' .......violated the rules .....': Technically CORRECT

'by not placing truce requests in the in game chat'': Wholly inaccurate/INCORRECT/and misleading

Anyhow, with regards to your commentary Major.Bossman, all you have done is state and highlight technicalities and what has already been understood and resolved ( days ago). You are entitled to your opinion but there is nothing new or informative in your commentary.

My posting earlier today, was because this 'post' was brought to my attention. As i have stated I am fully appreciative of the many messages of support over this matter. This is what makes the CC community as enjoyable as it is and the best around.

Please stop dragging it out. Its all rather farcical, if very amusing that people should find such technical misdemeanors worth commenting and reporting on.

If you can, please pay attention to the dates/timeline of communications before further comments.

This matter has been resolved. ( days ago as far as i am concerned)

by **owenshooter** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:32 pm

newnickyboy wrote:*mounting a defense after his official WARNING*

hey... it's over... move on... the 2nd highest person on the site has deemed what you did as unacceptable... so just don't do it again or you get a site vacation.. it is that simple.. have a great day, make your parents proud of you...-Jésus noir

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:35 pm

What are you on about?

I am not mounting a defense.

I have accepted my violation.

I am simply replying. READ before commenting Owen.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:42 pm

newnickyboy wrote:I am simply replying. READ before commenting Owen.

sorry, i don't respond to cheaters... this time i will... by replying, you are mounting a defense that is just, in all accuracy, pathetic...
as far as reading goes, perhaps you should have read the site rules about secret alliances, etc... it is right there in the rules... now, i truly
hope that you do this again, so you can receive a nice 1 week vacation... so again, the defense is too late, and nothing you say will make what
you did right. you communicated a proposed alliance outside of game chat. that makes you a cheater... and if you need help finding the site
rules and/or reading them, please contact me via PM and i'll be more than happy to help you... i believe that cheaters can be reformed, i truly
do... however, the first step is to admit you were wrong... *shaking head in disbelief*... sigh... good luck in the future!!! hope i don't see you
in this forum again, defending other questionable tactics!!! go do the best that you can today, and make your parents proud of you!!! the black
jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-damnit! you posted before i could edit my post!

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:45 pm

lol. joker :lol:

love how black Jesus contradicts himself

'hmmm, kind of odd... he put it in game chat first... '

There again, trying to assume some sort of religious supremacy over any race is perpetuating the myth that race, colour or creed is of any importance.

Jesus is Jesus whether black/white/yellow/or green

by **Major.Bossman** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:44 pm

While this is a rather minor offense that is becoming blown out of proportion, some of details do not appear to match the claims. newnickyboy was found guilty and warned before his email.

king achilles wrote:Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:49 pm

newnickyboy has been warned

newnickyboy wrote:My email/request was on the 19th, 2 days ago.

''15290041
[left out his personal mail address here]
Thurs 19/02/2015 22:09
To:
[my personal name was here];''

This was BEFORE, i received notification and understood any honest mistake I had made.

Also newnickyboy the point of my commentary was to point out that Lucbra was correct and you were wrong. Lucbra did not owe you an apology and was correct about the accusation of secret diplomacy. You acknowledge it was a technical mistake and not an act of deception, however the intent does not change the action. I know you have come to terms with your violation and this issue is supposed to be resolved, but it appeared that there was some tension with Lucbra.

newnickyboy wrote:As for the email; i wanted Lucbra to resolve the situation as he accused me not of a technical mistake but rather of underhand and cheating practices. This is clearly what not happened.

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:56 pm

This was a comment made about an issue raised days ago.

Just let it go, if it suits you..........you can have the last 'word'. I'm rather tired of this very tedious,tiresome,tenuous titillation that some regard to as being important.

I wish you well Major and I trust you will find other interesting forum discussions to waste your time on.

All the best. X

For me the matter is over, resolved. Done. A non issue.

You appear blind to my comments and rather attentive to syntax taken out of context to make a marginal point of correctness. If need be I will send you a braille version so you may fully grasp common sense.

I am done with this mute point/issue. How boring it has become.

by **newnickyboy** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:08 pm

And no, it was not the case that i sent the email after i was warned.

A) u do not take into account Time zones. ( hence Lucbra is european time same as I, which is different between european countries and different to CC clock)

B) when I read the message from Anchilles.

( also I only became aware of this forum post today).

I sent the email BEFORE i was made aware of any issue to the contrary. The moment I understood, I made an apology in chat game public chat box within the game, understanding my error.

2015-02-19 18:05:12 - newnickyboy: it would appear I made a 'technical' mistake by posting the same chat comments on both a public wall and in communal chat. For that i apologize to all players, however, it is quite apparent to CC and anyone with common sense, that no deceptive practices

The moment I understood I had made a technical mistake, is the moment for me the issue was 'over'. ( 6minutes after receiving notification by Anchilles)

I have not asked, or persisted with any commentary furthering any claims of 'apology' from Lucbra. However, in the spirit of CC rules I am glad that my sentiment is shared by the majority and not the few grasping at straws to further this forum chat.

The reason this poxy conversation is persisting is because you are determined to find some incredulous detail in my remarks.

I kindly ask you to now leave this alone, as I have pointed out : before commenting please be aware of timelines. Again a braille version maybe needed for you Major as you appear to be rather blind and ignorant to any detail.

by **Major.Bossman** on Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:55 pm

OK sorry about the error about time difference. A footnote about the time difference would have been nice earlier but my mistake for looking at it as CC time. Best wishes hopefully you find something to waste your time on as well. P.S. Looking forward to that braille version once I receive that I will send you a pail and shovel so you can dig yourself out of that self-righteous crap.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:52 am

The typical solution to this and safest way to avoid any issues is simply post on the other player's wall with a link, stating that you want them to read the chat or something to that effect. Just avoid mentioning truces at all.