Closed Army of GOD - Point Dumping (indefinite ban) [ka]

[Butters1919]

Accused:
Army of GOD

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Intentionally Dead-beating

Game number(s):

Game 15261135
Game 15261064
Game 15260706
Game 15246266
Game 15243080
Game 15243050
Game 15242506
Game 15224840
Game 15223550
Game 15214441
Game 15210173
Game 15204010

And many, many more...

Comments: Fills up for his/her 4 available game slots and does not take a single turn.

[owenshooter]

interesting.. just saw him pop up in the forums today.. maybe AoG will have a reply...-Jésus noir

[Army of GOD]

his/her

I resent this

[owenshooter]

his/her

I resent this

well, you did miss a bunch of turns and dead beat out of a ton of games... i'm sure you have a valid excuse...-Jésus noir

[betiko]

He wants to be number 1 of the bottom. AOG likes putting his number 1 in bottoms, that s what he claims in forums.

I like to introduce my number 1 in bottoms

[king achilles]

This is point dumping and this is still not allowed.

[owenshooter]

This is point dumping and this is still not allowed.

but how are you supposed to get on that nifty monthly scoreboard?!! and what is the punishment for this? a ban? just wondering... i thought you received a ban for pt dumping... the black jesus is perplexed...-Jésus noir

[Butters1919]

but how are you supposed to get on that nifty monthly scoreboard?!!

I'm (currently) on that nifty monthly scoreboard and did not cheat in any way. Not that I think Army of GOD is intending to attempt a run at the monthly leadership in the near future. Plus I think you need to start the month with at least 800 points. He's dumped a few too many!

[Butters1919]

closed. and the consequences (or lack there of)?

[nietzsche]

Narc.

[tkr4lf]

Indefinite?

[thegreekdog]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

[Symmetry]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

It bothers me that he was fixing games.

[thegreekdog]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

It bothers me that he was fixing games.

Why?

[Symmetry]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

It bothers me that he was fixing games.

Why?

Why doesn't it bother you?

[Butters1919]

Why?

For me, it's largely because we're facing a time of declining membership. The new(ish) owners are trying to make the site more appealing. Why have this behavior potentially turn new members away? I don't know that that has actually happened in any of the games he was dumping points or deadbeating, but preventing it from potentially happening in the future is not a bad thing.

[thegreekdog]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

It bothers me that he was fixing games.

Why?

Why doesn't it bother you?

I asked you first.

It doesn't bother me because he's a cook and he's not "point dropping" that many points.

[thegreekdog]

Why?

For me, it's largely because we're facing a time of declining membership. The new(ish) owners are trying to make the site more appealing. Why have this behavior potentially turn new members away? I don't know that that has actually happened in any of the games he was dumping points or deadbeating, but preventing it from potentially happening in the future is not a bad thing.

Why does point dumping turn new members away?

I have been under the impression that the problem with point dumping is that the people getting the points are achieving rankings in a seemingly unfair way. To put it another way, the only players who care about point dumping are high ranked players who are competing against other high rank players where the latter are winning games against players who are losing on purpose.

I mean, we can all pretend that new users will be turned off by the site if their first games are against a guy who deadbeats, if that's what we need to do to make sure the seventh ranked CC member stays at seven.

This is probably neither here nort there, but I wonder how many new users deadbeat from their first games?

[Symmetry]

Any way you can get him banned from playing games without banning him from the forums? Seems like some judgment is in order. Does the community care that Army of GOD is point dumping (as a cook)? Does the community (that interacts on the forums) care whether Army of GOD is point dumping?

It bothers me that he was fixing games.

Why?

Why doesn't it bother you?

I asked you first.

It doesn't bother me because he's a cook and he's not "point dropping" that many points.

I don't like that he's cheating people. I don't think that your argument in favour of his regular cheating holds up to basic criticism.

[DoomYoshi]

Why?

For me, it's largely because we're facing a time of declining membership. The new(ish) owners are trying to make the site more appealing. Why have this behavior potentially turn new members away? I don't know that that has actually happened in any of the games he was dumping points or deadbeating, but preventing it from potentially happening in the future is not a bad thing.

Why does point dumping turn new members away?

I have been under the impression that the problem with point dumping is that the people getting the points are achieving rankings in a seemingly unfair way. To put it another way, the only players who care about point dumping are high ranked players who are competing against other high rank players where the latter are winning games against players who are losing on purpose.

I mean, we can all pretend that new users will be turned off by the site if their first games are against a guy who deadbeats, if that's what we need to do to make sure the seventh ranked CC member stays at seven.

This is probably neither here nort there, but I wonder how many new users deadbeat from their first games?

It's like 60% never take a turn and 30% in addition to that don't finish a game IIRC.

[king achilles]

Let's not connect point dumping to new recruits. As much as possible, let's keep the integrity of the scoreboard by being competitive to all our games. The scoreboard reflects our skills against other players. Point dumping throws that balance off and is just a dishonest way of gaining/losing points - so don't do it The rules are clear about throwing games (i.e. point dumping) and they are forbidden. An infraction is not to be subjective just because the violator is a friend. I know some of you want to defend and support a friend or a clan mate or someone you love seeing in the forum but let's also be careful not to always consent everything, especially when that something is no good. He is open to make an explanation about what or why he did this via the ticket system.

If you want to make a discussion about this infraction, please feel free to make a thread in the General Discussions or the CCD forum.