subprime [warned] BG

[nikola_milicki]

Accused:

subprime

The accused are suspected of:

Other: intentional deadbeating

Game number(s):

Game 11037564


Comments: subprime has been here all this time, playing dozens of speeds but still missed 3 turns in an important clan game

this is how I see it

2012-06-04 19:47:07 - nikola_milicki [team]: they were dropping more due to red's land count so they could afford green missing and maybe they wanted us to think it is an accident, like why would they miss turns deliberately since he is positioned next to knight and has a chance to eliminate him
2012-06-04 19:47:56 - nikola_milicki [team]: and its clear that their chances of eliminating knight just got 1000% better
2012-06-04 19:51:39 - nikola_milicki [team]: sub was playing speeds today and yesterday, didnt look further back, no need really
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2012-06-04 20:30:08 - nikola_milicki [team]: they were dropping 8 we were dropping 9 so not a big deal for them
2012-06-04 20:31:56 - nikola_milicki [team]: didnt hurt them a bit
2012-06-04 20:33:02 - nikola_milicki [team]: besides he couldve come back any time, he misses once we dont roll too well then he misses again..if we roll great his armies are needed and not possible to miss again so he comes back, but didnt need to
2012-06-04 20:34:30 - nikola_milicki [team]: they couldve stopped missing any time if things went bad but nothing much changed last few rounds so it was possible to miss

[Swifte]

From subprime's wall:

Bro, why are you missing turns in our clan games during crucial turns yet you play speed games?
by codeblue1018
on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:46 pm
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Obviously not conclusive of anything, but worth noting.

[BGtheBrain]

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[nikola_milicki]

Do you have any other games where the user has deadbeated?

Game 11155549

missed two turns in these
Game 11127031
Game 11127030
Game 11127026
Game 11127024
and half a dozen more games from same tourney (all out war!)

so he is missing turns in active games but still playing speeds? is it possible that he is away and somebody else using his account to play speeds? cuz if he is here why would he deliberately miss turns? any input from clan mates would be helpful

[BGtheBrain]

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[BGtheBrain]

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[codeblue1018]

Do you have any other games where the user has deadbeated?

Game 11155549

missed two turns in these
Game 11127031
Game 11127030
Game 11127026
Game 11127024
and half a dozen more games from same tourney (all out war!)

so he is missing turns in active games but still playing speeds? is it possible that he is away and somebody else using his account to play speeds? cuz if he is here why would he deliberately miss turns? any input from clan mates would be helpful

We have no idea Nik. We have sent him pm's, wall messages and he won't respond to us. No clue what's going on.

[Nate the Great]

Sorry All- I just saw this post.

We have been trying to figure this out in house. We have been unsuccessful getting in touch with Sub. From TSM standpoint, this was NOT intentional. We are losing more than one game because of these misses, so hopefully that proves the Monkeys are not trying cheap tactics. Sorry we can't tell you more about what's going on. We are more surprised than anybody about this. My apologies as well to our opponents. We didn't respond right away in chat cause we have been trying to get answers within the clan first.

Hope this helps.

Nate

[nikola_milicki]

BG, could u tell us what does ip address check say? who was playing speeds these days if not sub.. I see sub was warned but u havent said anything else that solves the puzzle we have before us.. tsm doesnt only have a problem with missing turns but also a security problem with their private clan forum since they dont have a clue who outside the clan has sub's pw

last speed ended 3 hours ago

[betiko]

it looks like the first victim is the whole tsm clan though..

[BGtheBrain]

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[Phulish]

there is now a post on his wall with his password, he joined a game with me and never played.

[codeblue1018]

BG, could u tell us what does ip address check say? who was playing speeds these days if not sub.. I see sub was warned but u havent said anything else that solves the puzzle we have before us.. tsm doesnt only have a problem with missing turns but also a security problem with their private clan forum since they dont have a clue who outside the clan has sub's pw

last speed ended 3 hours ago

Care to elaborate mate? TSM contains many players; the problem lies with one player, sub regarding missed turns. As Nate and I said once already; we re working on this issue internally and it will be dealt with. Sub hasn't been a part of clan games for quite sometime; probably two + years. He was asked if he was interested in playing games and he wanted to play, therefore, games were given to him. We clearly didn't anticipate missed turns Nik otherwise he wouldn't have been asked to play and your claims game would have netted you a loss. So let the mods and our group handle this issue instead of stirring a pot that we had not control of. Missing turns in a clan war for purposes of gaining an advantage as you stated is absurd especially in games that would have secured a win.

[nikola_milicki]

making pw public on wall?! oh boy... was he just stripped of premium?

[nikola_milicki]

BG, could u tell us what does ip address check say? who was playing speeds these days if not sub.. I see sub was warned but u havent said anything else that solves the puzzle we have before us.. tsm doesnt only have a problem with missing turns but also a security problem with their private clan forum since they dont have a clue who outside the clan has sub's pw

last speed ended 3 hours ago

Care to elaborate mate? TSM contains many players; the problem lies with one player, sub regarding missed turns. As Nate and I said once already; we re working on this issue internally and it will be dealt with. Sub hasn't been a part of clan games for quite sometime; probably two + years. He was asked if he was interested in playing games and he wanted to play, therefore, games were given to him. We clearly didn't anticipate missed turns Nik otherwise he wouldn't have been asked to play and your claims game would have netted you a loss. So let the mods and our group handle this issue instead of stirring a pot that we had not control of. Missing turns in a clan war for purposes of gaining an advantage as you stated is absurd especially in games that would have secured a win.

if u dont know who it is that is playing those speeds then my conclusion would be it must be somebody outside the clan so a security risk for ya right? I mean if it was sub or somebody else from the clan u wouldve already known that? or maybe sub is ignoring u on purpose for some reason? w/e it is I dont believe u guys had anything to do with missing turns, so no worries Im just curious what is going on here.. Im sure u can understand me getting all kinds of ideas when I saw tons of speeds being played but clan games being ignored..

[skillfull]

Just to clear some things out.
Subprime is missing turns in the last few days and we dont know why. The problem is that we dont have his pw ( obviously) so the ONLY one who is hurt is TSM.
SImple as that

[codeblue1018]

BG, could u tell us what does ip address check say? who was playing speeds these days if not sub.. I see sub was warned but u havent said anything else that solves the puzzle we have before us.. tsm doesnt only have a problem with missing turns but also a security problem with their private clan forum since they dont have a clue who outside the clan has sub's pw

last speed ended 3 hours ago

Care to elaborate mate? TSM contains many players; the problem lies with one player, sub regarding missed turns. As Nate and I said once already; we re working on this issue internally and it will be dealt with. Sub hasn't been a part of clan games for quite sometime; probably two + years. He was asked if he was interested in playing games and he wanted to play, therefore, games were given to him. We clearly didn't anticipate missed turns Nik otherwise he wouldn't have been asked to play and your claims game would have netted you a loss. So let the mods and our group handle this issue instead of stirring a pot that we had not control of. Missing turns in a clan war for purposes of gaining an advantage as you stated is absurd especially in games that would have secured a win.

if u dont know who it is that is playing those speeds then my conclusion would be it must be somebody outside the clan so a security risk for ya right? I mean if it was sub or somebody else from the clan u wouldve already known that? or maybe sub is ignoring u on purpose for some reason? w/e it is I dont believe u guys had anything to do with missing turns, so no worries Im just curious what is going on here.. Im sure u can understand me getting all kinds of ideas when I saw tons of speeds being played but clan games being ignored..

Understood. We have no reason to believe its anyone other than sub. Agree with you in that we would like answers also hence the pm's to him from TSM members. So that said, we shall see what happens.

[BGtheBrain]

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[nikola_milicki]

so who was playing speeds and missing turns?? I didnt waste time reporting this to never find out who was it