DomQuebec [Noted] & Suzy [Busted +2]

[alster]

Accused:

DomQuebec
Suzy


The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy


Game number(s):

Game 3910485
Game 3910482


Comments re two recent games / Secret alliance:

These two players joining two of trips/assassin games on the New World map I had set up. In Game 3910485 it seems pretty obvious to me that they had no intention to play a standard game, DomQuebec just handing over the victory to Suzy. DomQuebec was my target (consequently Suzy was his), despite that DomQuebec goes on attacking me in Round 2. Fair enough, to weaken your assassin is a perfectly good and (if you think you can hold your own) many times a game-winning strategy in 3-player assassin games. No attacks against Suzy though. Then in round 4, Suzy attacks me (me being his/hers target), grabbing my second territory. Now I’m down to France/French Landing Point. DomQuebec now sits on 40+ troops on Inuit Homeland. All he has to do is to walk in, block North Atlantic Port to keep me (already weaken) away from being killed, then using his (by this time) overwhelming stacks of troops to kill of his target Suzy. So what the hell does he do? Nothing. Just sits there allowing Suzy to easily kill me in round 6. Ridiculous.

Then they even it out by allowing DomQuebec to win in Game 3910482. That game in itself is so-and-so. But considering the previous game and considering that Suzy just sat on two of his/her three territories (Portugal/Britain) it is shady. These two (or one) fellas for sure had a secret alliance spanning over two games which is a violation of Rule # 2.


Comments re DomQuebec and Suzy / Should at least be blocked:

All in all, this would have passed by had it not been for their gaming history. Had they been unknown or new players, it could very well just have been a bad move or two. But DomQuebec and Suzy has 100+ games together, most of them team games. They for sure should not join up in a three-player assassin game or any other standard game as they clearly cannot play fairly vis-à-vis third parties. They should therefore (if nothing else will stick) at least be blocked from playing with each other.

Always difficult to trace stuff in the game logs, but out of the 19 finished games being non-team games/non 1.v.1 games that DomQuebec/Suzy played, 14 has ended with either one of them winning. If looking at the last 14 finished such games, 13 have ended with either one of them winning…. That’s a nice streak.

Game 2682216 – Nice quote…

2008-06-20 01:26:33 - Suzy: cause i always kill my french canadian friends last ,, but now your 1st,,& come to think of it he will be last again so ,what the hell

Game 2586421 – Nice quote no 2…

2008-06-05 01:29:49 - Suzy: Dom were do you live
2008-06-05 01:30:30 - DomQuebec: Québec
2008-06-05 01:30:41 - DomQuebec: mais je suis natif de Montréal (Ahuntsic)
2008-06-05 01:30:59 - Suzy: je suis nee a Quebec

And this is way into their gaming history together, having spoken French and shit in the game chat, setting up doubles etc.

Here Game 3856266 is a nice one. Feudal war map, ongoing (round 16), 6 player standard. Right now Suzy sits on Realm of Might 7 with 133 troops basically leaving the castle open to attack from DomQuebec (136 troops on Rebel territory 3). My guess is that Suzy is gonna sweep yellow and DomQuebec is gonna sweep pink, Suzy then going easy on DomQuebec in order to keep green off their backs before one of them finally wins.


Comments re DomQuebec and Suzy / Possible loosing points on purpose:

All games except one in which they play together are sequential. The freestyle game being Game 3913861. The game log does not show any simultaneous moves, rather plenty of time for one player to witch between accounts. There is one exception though (two assaults taking place simultaneously), so perhaps not multis.

Their 1 v. 1 history (9 games total and with DomQuebec winning 7 of those):

Game 3891685 – Suzy deadbeats, leaving DomQuebec to win.

Game 3808210 – DomQuebec goes first and both players build up on Comanche/Aztec (New World map). In round 3 Suzy goes on the attack, clearing a path through the neutrals and DomQuebec sweeps in next round. DomQuebec wins.

Game 2907453 – Suzy attacks neutrals, never DomQuebec who wins.

Game 2907452 – Suzy seems equally interested in attacking neutrals as DomQuebec who wins.

Game 2907308 – Suzy seems equally interested in attacking neutrals as DomQuebec who wins.

As with the other standard games, it seems rather fair the first games, but now in the later games DomQuebec seems to be taking the points. However, I'm not really concerned with their 1v.1 games, they seem ok in a sense. It's their history playing standard games against third parties that concerns me.

[DomQuebec]

BOUHOUHOU! Mommy! I lost! BOUHOUHOU! I'm just a sore loser! BOUHOUHOU!

Your accusations are pathetic, learn to lose!

[alster]

BOUHOUHOU! Mommy! I lost! BOUHOUHOU! I'm just a sore loser! BOUHOUHOU!

Your accusations are pathetic, learn to lose!

As far as being a sore looser, why don't you then (instead of behaving like a big girl) indulge me and tell me what other (even remotely reasonable) explanation you have for your conspicious behavior in Game 3910485. And as far as being pathetic, care to explain your's and Suzi's great stats in your common standard games?

[DarthBlood]

i'm pretty sure there's also a rule about no communicating in a foreign language, which, as alstergren as pointed out in his second "nice quote", domquebec and suzy do.

[Suzy]

alstergen ,, wow you are some frustrated sore looser to try & look up all the all the BS that you are accusing me of ,,your accusations are totally not true you are just a real bad sore looser ,,looser . for starters your accusation of multi accounts is unbelievable how in the hell can a person switch accounts in 3,4 ,5 & even 6 seconds then switch again in the same time frame ,,wow you have real nothing better to do with your time than try to dirty up other players names cause they beat you eh you sore looser ,, & all the other games you are trying to dirty my name in were 1 vs 1 games so how the hell can i do something wrong besides loose ,,there is only 1 game that i deadbeated & quit & that is game # 3891685 cause i was fed up with the stupid dice & was loosing badly anyways so i just quite & moved on to something else & all the other games that you are talking about #3808210,,#2907453,#2907452.#2907308 i lost those games far & square but i did not cry rape like you ,you sore looser ,do you really think im stupid enough to give all my points away without playing & trying to win ,,wow you are really pathetic to accuse me of being not competitive ,think i play just for fun or what you sore looser i play to win & try & get to the highest rank possible ,i am a very competitive person in real life as well as when i play games so you can take your stupid unfounded accusations & stick them were the sun don't shine you sore loosing looser,, get a life ALSTERGEN,, or go try & dirty someone else's name ya & the Feudal war game you are talking about that i have 130 armies on R.O.M 7 if you know how to play in terminator games you should know that Dom or any other player even if he has 133 on Rebel 3 will not suicide his troops just to try & kill me & miss thus giving us both away to the other players which them selves had considerables numbers of troops before yellow & pink attacked each other then Dom attacked green & i killed yellow & i am attacking Dom (blue ) right now & cyan we did not attack cause he dead beated & got kicked out of the game,so he is no longer a threat so what would of been the point in attacking him eh tell me you idiot. & yes i think i'm going to win but its not cause i have a secret alliance its because i had a good strategy so stop with all your paranoid accusations & get a life you sore looser if you read the chat in that game Dom offered an alliance that we each kill a different player & i said no so get your shit straight ,,OK go cry to someone else WOW ALSTERGEN YOU ARE A SORE LOOSER ITS UNBELIEVABLE & PARANOID ITS RIDICULOUS & the accusations of secret alliance against you in New world game# 3910485 is total un called for ok i am not a cheater & i did not make a secret alliance me i killed you because u were my target if Dom attacked you he must of had his reason's but believe me we had no secret alliance maybe he can explain his actions to you but me i know that i won fair & sqaure ok & as is for the other New World #3910482 Dom was my target & i did not attack you i attack him & tried to stop him from killing you just look at all his armies that i killed in the game log so stop accusing me of cheating & please remove these false aligations your dirtying my name for absolutly nothing if it is just that you are a sore looser & as it goes for my talking in a foreign language it is nothing serious ok the 1st time was that i asked Dom were he came from & he responded in French so i did not think about it responded back in french it had totally nothing that involved any game play what so ever & at the 2nd occasion that i spoke french during a game is because i thought i had programed a doubles games & thought i was talking to him in french in the team chat & then realized it was not that i had forgotten to press the doubles box in the create game section & i told all the players in that game of my mistake & told them what i had said in french & they all said that it was ok ,no problem ,again it had nothing involving game play or strategy so get off my case with all your bullshit accusations & stop dirtying my name you lost those 2 games so take it like a man & stop looking for bugs were there is none cause all your accusations are false accusations so please remove all these lies & learn to lose without crying about it,, thank you & gl in your futur games & learn to loose like a man if i took all this time to write all this & explain myself to you its because im not a cheater ok ,& i have nothing to hide so please take all this back & stop trying to dirty my name & account thank you !! i can understand your frustration but hey we are playing war games here you win some you loose some ,,that the nature of playing games you can't always win my friend & also in New World game #3808210 i did not give him free points i was getting shit dice & got mad & just suicided my self so the torture would end faster please learn french (read) or get someone you know who does & go read the game chat in that game & you will see the truth ok,cause we can speak french to each other in the 1 vs 1 games ,,if we are french & we are only the 2 of us ,then why should we have to speak in english eh ,tell me . so please take me out of all these false accusations ,thank you once again

[alster]

for starters your accusation of multi accounts is unbelievable how in the hell can a person switch accounts in 3,4 ,5 & even 6 seconds then switch again in the same time frame

Well. I'm not accusing you of being multis. What I am accusing you of is secret diplomacy (rule # 2 violation) and possibly point sharing/purposely loosing. But the main issue is secret diplomacy.

This is based on:
- Your conspicuous behavior in the two New World map games against me where neither of you played reasonably and fairly (had you been noobs it would have been a different matter, but two such experienced players who have played on that map quite a few times cannot possibly have a reasonable explanation for respective gaming style).
- You nice statistics when playing together in the same standard games. All you two have done so far in this thread is whining about irrelevant stuff.

the Feudal war game you are talking about that i have 130 armies on R.O.M 7 if you know how to play in terminator games you should know that Dom or any other player even if he has 133 on Rebel 3 will not suicide his troops just to try & kill me & miss thus giving us both away to the other players which them selves had considerables numbers of troops before yellow & pink attacked each other then Dom attacked green & i killed yellow & i am attacking Dom (blue ) right now & cyan we did not attack cause he dead beated & got kicked out of the game,so he is no longer a threat so what would of been the point in attacking him eh tell me you idiot. & yes i think i'm going to win but its not cause i have a secret alliance its because i had a good strategy so stop with all your paranoid accusations & get a life you sore looser if you read the chat in that game Dom offered an alliance that we each kill a different player & i said no so get your shit straight

In this game DomQuebec now moved to kill off green and then continued attacking into the northern part of the map. All he finds there are neutrals and a deadbeat player. This move (as someone even pointed out in the game chat) doesn't make sense. By moving up like this he allowed you to sweep in and grab his castles. You will win (unless you allow DomQuebec to win) this game. Not because of solid tactics though, but due to the fact that you and DomQuebec don't seem to have any intention to fight each other until the rest of the players are gone.

as it goes for my talking in a foreign language it is nothing serious ok the 1st time was that i asked Dom were he came from & he responded in French so i did not think about it responded back in french it had totally nothing that involved any game play what so ever

I don't care if you speak French (it may be considered rude if people don't understand it, but personally I don't care). I'm just suprised to see that after 15 games and several team games, you have to ask such a basic question in the public game chat.

[Fireside Poet]

Suspects:
DomQuebec
Suzy

Verdict: The secret alliance has been noted. DomQuebec has been cleared of multiple accounts. Suzy has been busted for multiple accounts along with stephane_ & reki.

[alster]

alstergen ,, wow you are some frustrated sore looser to try & look up all the all the BS that you are accusing me of ,,your accusations are totally not true you are just a real bad sore looser ,,looser . for starters your accusation of multi accounts is unbelievable how in the hell can a person switch accounts in 3,4 ,5 & even 6 seconds then switch again in the same time frame ,,wow you have real nothing better to do with your time than try to dirty up other players names cause they beat you eh you sore looser ,, & all the other games you are trying to dirty my name in were 1 vs 1 games so how the hell can i do something wrong besides loose ,,there is only 1 game that i deadbeated & quit & that is game # 3891685 cause i was fed up with the stupid dice & was loosing badly anyways so i just quite & moved on to something else & all the other games that you are talking about #3808210,,#2907453,#2907452.#2907308 i lost those games far & square but i did not cry rape like you ,you sore looser ,do you really think im stupid enough to give all my points away without playing & trying to win ,,wow you are really pathetic to accuse me of being not competitive ,think i play just for fun or what you sore looser i play to win & try & get to the highest rank possible ,i am a very competitive person in real life as well as when i play games so you can take your stupid unfounded accusations & stick them were the sun don't shine you sore loosing looser,, get a life ALSTERGEN,, or go try & dirty someone else's name ya & the Feudal war game you are talking about that i have 130 armies on R.O.M 7 if you know how to play in terminator games you should know that Dom or any other player even if he has 133 on Rebel 3 will not suicide his troops just to try & kill me & miss thus giving us both away to the other players which them selves had considerables numbers of troops before yellow & pink attacked each other then Dom attacked green & i killed yellow & i am attacking Dom (blue ) right now & cyan we did not attack cause he dead beated & got kicked out of the game,so he is no longer a threat so what would of been the point in attacking him eh tell me you idiot. & yes i think i'm going to win but its not cause i have a secret alliance its because i had a good strategy so stop with all your paranoid accusations & get a life you sore looser if you read the chat in that game Dom offered an alliance that we each kill a different player & i said no so get your shit straight ,,OK go cry to someone else WOW ALSTERGEN YOU ARE A SORE LOOSER ITS UNBELIEVABLE & PARANOID ITS RIDICULOUS & the accusations of secret alliance against you in New world game# 3910485 is total un called for ok i am not a cheater & i did not make a secret alliance me i killed you because u were my target if Dom attacked you he must of had his reason's but believe me we had no secret alliance maybe he can explain his actions to you but me i know that i won fair & sqaure ok & as is for the other New World #3910482 Dom was my target & i did not attack you i attack him & tried to stop him from killing you just look at all his armies that i killed in the game log so stop accusing me of cheating & please remove these false aligations your dirtying my name for absolutly nothing if it is just that you are a sore looser & as it goes for my talking in a foreign language it is nothing serious ok the 1st time was that i asked Dom were he came from & he responded in French so i did not think about it responded back in french it had totally nothing that involved any game play what so ever & at the 2nd occasion that i spoke french during a game is because i thought i had programed a doubles games & thought i was talking to him in french in the team chat & then realized it was not that i had forgotten to press the doubles box in the create game section & i told all the players in that game of my mistake & told them what i had said in french & they all said that it was ok ,no problem ,again it had nothing involving game play or strategy so get off my case with all your bullshit accusations & stop dirtying my name you lost those 2 games so take it like a man & stop looking for bugs were there is none cause all your accusations are false accusations so please remove all these lies & learn to lose without crying about it,, thank you & gl in your futur games & learn to loose like a man if i took all this time to write all this & explain myself to you its because im not a cheater ok ,& i have nothing to hide so please take all this back & stop trying to dirty my name & account thank you !! i can understand your frustration but hey we are playing war games here you win some you loose some ,,that the nature of playing games you can't always win my friend & also in New World game #3808210 i did not give him free points i was getting shit dice & got mad & just suicided my self so the torture would end faster please learn french (read) or get someone you know who does & go read the game chat in that game & you will see the truth ok,cause we can speak french to each other in the 1 vs 1 games ,,if we are french & we are only the 2 of us ,then why should we have to speak in english eh ,tell me . so please take me out of all these false accusations ,thank you once again

Just thought I would save this nice novel for Suzy's afterlife... should he/she buy premium or so....

Glad to see them busted.

[SirSebstar]

lol

[FarangDemon]

why does nobody know how to spell "lose"?

[SirSebstar]

as opposed to loose?

[Timminz]

Or Lou's.