The unholy story of Count Giure "Grando" Stregone TOWN WINS!

[Loose Canon]

Vot, in Charles (whose game it was) game "the other guy" was in my interpretation of it anyway a reserve Mason, that only Charle knew about, who if he wasn't dead but one of the original Mason died first, would go from vanilla town to new mason. In Charle's game this did happen - Max went from Vanilla town to Mason with me when DDS (original mason) died.

That doesn't at all necessarily mean "the other guy" is a substitute mason in this game of Sonics - unless Sonic has said something that indicates this will be the case again.

Probably best to assume the "other guy" could be anything in this game unless someone has seen something in Sonics modding that suggests what the "other guy" may be in this game.

[Extreme Ways]

Vot, in Charles (whose game it was) game "the other guy" was in my interpretation of it anyway a reserve Mason, that only Charle knew about, who if he wasn't dead but one of the original Mason died first, would go from vanilla town to new mason. In Charle's game this did happen - Max went from Vanilla town to Mason with me when DDS (original mason) died.

That doesn't at all necessarily mean "the other guy" is a substitute mason in this game of Sonics - unless Sonic has said something that indicates this will be the case again.

Probably best to assume the "other guy" could be anything in this game unless someone has seen something in Sonics modding that suggests what the "other guy" may be in this game.

Idk if Sonic has a girlfriend but... maybe hes referring to the other guy there

[Loose Canon]

Ok so does anyone want to claim to be Sonic's girlfriend?

[Loose Canon]

Sonics girlfriend


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At least its not a dickpic!

[Votanic]

Sonics girlfriend


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At least its not a dickpic!

Now we know.
In Sonic-modded games the joke phase lasts at least into Day 2.
The sad thing is DDS isn't here to appreciate it.

[strike wolf]

I think were probably reading too much into flavor. Mod gave us the most important bits, 2 scum groups of 2 scum each. Recruitments coming.

Now playing the players:

Confirmed town.

1. Devante-He claimed Driver/Bodyguard which we know is in the game and there has been no counter claim.
2. Me-I am self confirmed and Kong supported.

Likely town:

3. Ew-Kong supported. Kong could be aligned with scum EW but the play to come forward and suggest EW is town alongside me is high risk play and I doubt EW would go along with it. Given what Kong said about the mod confirming the validity of the result then EW should always be Town if Kong is Town. There are also scenarios where Kong is scum but EW town.

Townish:

4. Kong-Its not impossible that a scum Kong received a note about me and EW because of an as yet unknown 3rd role or making a fake play to try to buy town cred but it seems unlikely. If the note was a result of his own action than it would seem like a town role to have.

Unknowns:

5. Vot-Pretty much playing his critical mafia player self. He was wrong or possibly misrepresented how Ragian was eliminated in The Thing Mafia but beyond that haven't seen a solid reason to suspect.

6. Rag-I thought his question of Fusi and Vot felt like he was prodding to get a response. He did back off a bit quickly on Vot but otherwise seemed to be legitimately looking.

7. PMC-No read yet. He did seem to prod a bit like Ragian was doing but haven't gotten a read beyond that.

8. Pix-minimal activity consistent with meta. If lynched. It would be a lynch based on principle more than any read.

9. DDS-a little less active than usual but gave a reason. Seemed loose shen he was active which merely means he was enjoying his role.

10. Charle-No read.

11. Fusi-Inactive D1. Has made 1 post so far D2 that didn't really feel like it actually said much. Inactive with bursts of "helpful" posts was his M.O. in the Matrix Mafia where we were both scum.

Which would bring me to Loose who admittedly I was thinking seemed a little off in this game and had a light role fish for the masons which was reminiscent of the last time he was scum. However, if he's telling the truth, he stayed in last night. Even if EW was bluffing, a scum Loose would likely feel pressured to admit at least a partial truth to adjust to the potential tracker/watcher claim coming from EW. Town/3rd party seem more likely to have stayed home than Scum.

So I guess this is a long way of saying, I don't have a strong read thus far. I'd probably feel most comfortable voting Fusi at the moment if for no other reason then to try to get him talking more.

[Loose Canon]

Out of curiosity strike where do you think I was role fishing for masons because that wasn't my intention?

Need to have a read on what fusi has posted after work, because I'd be comfortable with gunning for most inactive in absence of anything more.

[Ragian]

I just find it odd that you didn't use any available powers. Did your scum partner do all the work last night?

Very good point

For both Charle and Rag, why would scum not go outside? They are "the danger", they should be more aware of what mod means. Loose not using any powers he may have is town indicative in my opinion. It bleeds uninformed.

I completely disagree. In a multiball whatever game, it's only sensible to use your powers before you're toast. I know that's opinion rather than fact, but it is just weird to me that Loose (or anyone town aligned) would stay put.

[Charle]

I just find it odd that you didn't use any available powers. Did your scum partner do all the work last night?

Very good point

For both Charle and Rag, why would scum not go outside? They are "the danger", they should be more aware of what mod means. Loose not using any powers he may have is town indicative in my opinion. It bleeds uninformed.

Maybe I take too much flavour into account, but in that room where Traf was killed (the way I read it by the Vampire), there was a Vampire and a Wolf, this means the other two must have stayed at home.

FP by Ragian

[Extreme Ways]

I just find it odd that you didn't use any available powers. Did your scum partner do all the work last night?

Very good point

For both Charle and Rag, why would scum not go outside? They are "the danger", they should be more aware of what mod means. Loose not using any powers he may have is town indicative in my opinion. It bleeds uninformed.

I completely disagree. In a multiball whatever game, it's only sensible to use your powers before you're toast. I know that's opinion rather than fact, but it is just weird to me that Loose (or anyone town aligned) would stay put.

I agree with using your powers. So why would he lie about it? Scum also wants to use their powers before you're toast, especially with multiple scum factions. I think it was a poor decision to stay at home (though only mod can know for sure), but I dont think this comes from a scum point of view when we are talking about Loose.

[Ragian]

What I'm suggesting here is just that it would be easier for a scum faction to have one stay at home (in order not to be caught in the act by multiple town PRs) if the other one is doing the handiwork. I have no proof. I'm just weirded out by Loose's play.

[Loose Canon]

Rag is doubling and trembling down on his my play is suss line.

The strict reading of Sonic's end of D1 post is townies do nothing n1 and I stick by that.

It could be that townies weren't at any risk n1 unless they took an action. And maybe Traf and others did do that, so a targeting of Traf worked, but another targeting didn't.
Also D1 sonic posted flavour after flavour after flavour and I think cut D1 short (er) than I'd have expected.
To me this is consistent with my interpretation that townies do nothing n1 as this ensured their safety.

Maybe the striga knocking on a door grinning and going away was striga finding out a players alignment.

It's as valid an interpretation as any.

(Re the lure I reckon that was a booty call from sonic to the striga.)

[*Pixar*]

I think were probably reading too much into flavor. Mod gave us the most important bits, 2 scum groups of 2 scum each. Recruitments coming.

Now playing the players:

Confirmed town.

1. Devante-He claimed Driver/Bodyguard which we know is in the game and there has been no counter claim.
2. Me-I am self confirmed and Kong supported.

Likely town:

3. Ew-Kong supported. Kong could be aligned with scum EW but the play to come forward and suggest EW is town alongside me is high risk play and I doubt EW would go along with it. Given what Kong said about the mod confirming the validity of the result then EW should always be Town if Kong is Town. There are also scenarios where Kong is scum but EW town.

Townish:

4. Kong-Its not impossible that a scum Kong received a note about me and EW because of an as yet unknown 3rd role or making a fake play to try to buy town cred but it seems unlikely. If the note was a result of his own action than it would seem like a town role to have.

Unknowns:

5. Vot-Pretty much playing his critical mafia player self. He was wrong or possibly misrepresented how Ragian was eliminated in The Thing Mafia but beyond that haven't seen a solid reason to suspect.

6. Rag-I thought his question of Fusi and Vot felt like he was prodding to get a response. He did back off a bit quickly on Vot but otherwise seemed to be legitimately looking.

7. PMC-No read yet. He did seem to prod a bit like Ragian was doing but haven't gotten a read beyond that.

8. Pix-minimal activity consistent with meta. If lynched. It would be a lynch based on principle more than any read.

9. DDS-a little less active than usual but gave a reason. Seemed loose shen he was active which merely means he was enjoying his role.

10. Charle-No read.

11. Fusi-Inactive D1. Has made 1 post so far D2 that didn't really feel like it actually said much. Inactive with bursts of "helpful" posts was his M.O. in the Matrix Mafia where we were both scum.

Which would bring me to Loose who admittedly I was thinking seemed a little off in this game and had a light role fish for the masons which was reminiscent of the last time he was scum. However, if he's telling the truth, he stayed in last night. Even if EW was bluffing, a scum Loose would likely feel pressured to admit at least a partial truth to adjust to the potential tracker/watcher claim coming from EW. Town/3rd party seem more likely to have stayed home than Scum.

So I guess this is a long way of saying, I don't have a strong read thus far. I'd probably feel most comfortable voting Fusi at the moment if for no other reason then to try to get him talking more.

Meh I don't think Devante gets off the hook so easily, just because no counter claim doesn't mean he can be confirmed town. I still find it sus that he claimed so early with no pressure other than saying he was attacked once. With scums knowledge of that now, I think he won't be targeted again tonight, instead moving onto someone else. I could be wrong though

[*Pixar*]

Also, it would be helpful if Day 1 Day 2 etc was updated in topic so it's easier to backup and read specific mafia days before it gets lost. No?

[Devante]

I think were probably reading too much into flavor. Mod gave us the most important bits, 2 scum groups of 2 scum each. Recruitments coming.

Now playing the players:

Confirmed town.

1. Devante-He claimed Driver/Bodyguard which we know is in the game and there has been no counter claim.
2. Me-I am self confirmed and Kong supported.

Likely town:

3. Ew-Kong supported. Kong could be aligned with scum EW but the play to come forward and suggest EW is town alongside me is high risk play and I doubt EW would go along with it. Given what Kong said about the mod confirming the validity of the result then EW should always be Town if Kong is Town. There are also scenarios where Kong is scum but EW town.

Townish:

4. Kong-Its not impossible that a scum Kong received a note about me and EW because of an as yet unknown 3rd role or making a fake play to try to buy town cred but it seems unlikely. If the note was a result of his own action than it would seem like a town role to have.

Unknowns:

5. Vot-Pretty much playing his critical mafia player self. He was wrong or possibly misrepresented how Ragian was eliminated in The Thing Mafia but beyond that haven't seen a solid reason to suspect.

6. Rag-I thought his question of Fusi and Vot felt like he was prodding to get a response. He did back off a bit quickly on Vot but otherwise seemed to be legitimately looking.

7. PMC-No read yet. He did seem to prod a bit like Ragian was doing but haven't gotten a read beyond that.

8. Pix-minimal activity consistent with meta. If lynched. It would be a lynch based on principle more than any read.

9. DDS-a little less active than usual but gave a reason. Seemed loose shen he was active which merely means he was enjoying his role.

10. Charle-No read.

11. Fusi-Inactive D1. Has made 1 post so far D2 that didn't really feel like it actually said much. Inactive with bursts of "helpful" posts was his M.O. in the Matrix Mafia where we were both scum.

Which would bring me to Loose who admittedly I was thinking seemed a little off in this game and had a light role fish for the masons which was reminiscent of the last time he was scum. However, if he's telling the truth, he stayed in last night. Even if EW was bluffing, a scum Loose would likely feel pressured to admit at least a partial truth to adjust to the potential tracker/watcher claim coming from EW. Town/3rd party seem more likely to have stayed home than Scum.

So I guess this is a long way of saying, I don't have a strong read thus far. I'd probably feel most comfortable voting Fusi at the moment if for no other reason then to try to get him talking more.

I agree with most of this and right now scummiest vibes for me is Rag, Pix, Fusi and LC. Out of the four Rag or Pix the most and I'd be fine with voting to put pressure on either one of them.

[Votanic]

Maybe I take too much flavour into account, but in that room where Traf was killed (the way I read it by the Vampire), there was a Vampire and a Wolf, this means the other two must have stayed at home.

What were Devante and Traf doing in the same room?
Stop snickering.
I mean it seems like either Devante was bodyguarding the cop, instead of the masons.
That can't be right, because Devante survived and Traf died.
And yes, I do remember that Sonic deliberately separated the masons from their bodyguards on Night 1 with a mod-action storyline.

Or else, traf was investigating Devante. Hmm, maybe Devante was the target and Traf got in the way?

In most games the night-kill goes to where its victim is, either in or out. Though maybe not in this game.

The arrangement of casualties (and other stuff) on Night 1 seems odd, ...though the real explanation for that might just be that Sonic plays fast & loose with rules and procedures, ...which can easily become bastard-modding, I might add.

Idea: Maybe the 'other guy' in the game name just refers to the mod.

@EW: Since you didn't answer my question about 'mountainous' shall I assume your answer is just "I don't know."?

[Devante]

To clarify for town like I said a few posts back I was not protecting anyone as I had no strong town vibes on anyone D1. By not protecting anyone I stayed inside which was a general consensus from most D1. How I got attacked I only assume I was targeted. One scum faction picked Traf and the other me, why I have no idea. Traf was fairly quiet and I don't think I posted anything that put a FOS on anyone but I might go back and reread D1 as either it was random selection or one of us said something scum didn't like.

[Loose Canon]

ReRead fusi's posts now (didn't take long)

ReRead rag's too (maybe he wasn't going scattered and early as much as I first thought)

Happier going with a vote on fusi.

vote fusibaseball

[Votanic]

To clarify for town like I said a few posts back I was not protecting anyone as I had no strong town vibes on anyone D1. By not protecting anyone I stayed inside which was a general consensus from most D1. How I got attacked I only assume I was targeted. One scum faction picked Traf and the other me, why I have no idea. Traf was fairly quiet and I don't think I posted anything that put a FOS on anyone but I might go back and reread D1 as either it was random selection or one of us said something scum didn't like.

So then...
The striga targeted Traf,
...and the other scum killer must have targeted the striga.

Dev, are you the striga?

Strong FOS @ Devante

[Devante]

To clarify for town like I said a few posts back I was not protecting anyone as I had no strong town vibes on anyone D1. By not protecting anyone I stayed inside which was a general consensus from most D1. How I got attacked I only assume I was targeted. One scum faction picked Traf and the other me, why I have no idea. Traf was fairly quiet and I don't think I posted anything that put a FOS on anyone but I might go back and reread D1 as either it was random selection or one of us said something scum didn't like.

So then...
The striga targeted Traf,
...and the other scum killer must have targeted the striga.

Dev, are you the striga?

Strong FOS @ Devante

WTF are you mental. I’m the bodyguard. How could I be a town bodyguard and a Vampire

[Votanic]

To clarify for town like I said a few posts back I was not protecting anyone as I had no strong town vibes on anyone D1. By not protecting anyone I stayed inside which was a general consensus from most D1. How I got attacked I only assume I was targeted. One scum faction picked Traf and the other me, why I have no idea. Traf was fairly quiet and I don't think I posted anything that put a FOS on anyone but I might go back and reread D1 as either it was random selection or one of us said something scum didn't like.

So then...
The striga targeted Traf,
...and the other scum killer must have targeted the striga.

Dev, are you the striga?

Strong FOS @ Devante

WTF are you mental. I’m the bodyguard. How could I be a town bodyguard and a Vampire

I'm just trying to figure out how many players were in that (seemingly rather crowded) room and who was trying to kill (or protect?) whom.

[Extreme Ways]

To clarify for town like I said a few posts back I was not protecting anyone as I had no strong town vibes on anyone D1. By not protecting anyone I stayed inside which was a general consensus from most D1. How I got attacked I only assume I was targeted. One scum faction picked Traf and the other me, why I have no idea. Traf was fairly quiet and I don't think I posted anything that put a FOS on anyone but I might go back and reread D1 as either it was random selection or one of us said something scum didn't like.

So then...
The striga targeted Traf,
...and the other scum killer must have targeted the striga.

Dev, are you the striga?

Strong FOS @ Devante

WTF are you mental. I’m the bodyguard. How could I be a town bodyguard and a Vampire

This may or may not be possible according to flavour. Idk if you retain your original role when you become a vampire.

@ rag, it had to be specifically loose that stayed home. I may have just as well faked an investigative role on someone else.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Change of plans. I'll be back sooner rather than later. Cya Monday.

[Votanic]

Change of plans. I'll be back sooner rather than later. Cya Monday.

Heck, if you're willing to skim and lurk you can start right away.
Even while absent you've posted more than some other players.

[fusibaseball]

Ok so either Dev is lying or there was town-on-town violence last night. I know pretty much for a fact I was targeted last night...maybe 75-80% sure I was targeted (which I know sounds weird but just trust me).

So if there's a Town player running around with a kill ability, like a Vigilante or whatever, cool your jets. Usually all this chaos Day 1 or 2 just hurts Town's chances of winning.