D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[Maxleod]

Max are you the arsonist

I don't know my exact role yet other that I'm Town.

[Ragian]

You don't know your role? Have you read your role PM?

[jfm10]

ALL ROLES SENDED OUT! PUT ON YOUR HATS BOYS, IT'S MAFIA TIME!


Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)

The Mafia is composed of "Mad Vincent Vega Vengeful" and Don Giovanni “Big Tuna” Gambino!

Mechanics
Day start
Role Modifications

According to mafia game roles , the Traitor is an assigned role. Would it be safe to assume that this game Mafia can choose any of us to be a potential Traitor?

The way I read it is that there may or may not be a traitor, nothing else...

At first it appeared he was interested in the game then he went quiet as normal but all anyone can rely on are responses then his response to me there and his response to EW which i quote

"I don't know my exact role yet other that I'm Town" .

Something is way off here.
unvote
vote Max

[Maxleod]

You don't know your role? Have you read your role PM?

I have.

[kongming3]

While strange, I'm not willing to vote Max off that. Would be weird for scum to come out and say "I'm not scum guys I promise I have one of those town roles, haven't decided which one yet but I promise I totally am one." He also wasn't under any pressure to claim beyond non-arsonist anyway, though I am confused about the mod-prompted question.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

While strange, I'm not willing to vote Max off that. Would be weird for scum to come out and say "I'm not scum guys I promise I have one of those town roles, haven't decided which one yet but I promise I totally am one." He also wasn't under any pressure to claim beyond non-arsonist anyway, though I am confused about the mod-prompted question.

Sonic deleted a really long post saying that his comment did not mean Max could nto eb arsonist, as Max could be arsonist and woudl still ahve to burn himself or something like that. Which didn't really made much sense. So he deleted it. And it's trying to get people to think Max could still be any role.

But I'm still 100% sure he is not arsonist. Also I'm willing to put Max as Townie but not 100%

[homer_jay]

even without the info of the deleted mod post, i don't think max getting auto-primed means he can't be the arsonist. if he was going MIA, his role wouldn't impact that. and it would add an interesting twist to the game if the arsonist has to commit suicide if he ever wants to kill

[Ragian]

I think it a bit more weird that jfm pounces on that. Noted.

[SoN!c]

DEADLINE REACHED - NO MORE POSTING - IT'S NOW N1!


Flavour phone call between Big Tony "Two Guns" and Johny "The Nose":


(phone rings at "Rocco's Bufalino Pasta House", italian restaurant, waiter Vito pick's up the phone)
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waiter Vito : Rocco's. Take-away or reservation please?
Johny "The Nose": Hi Vito, it's Johny, how ya doing? Can you get Mr. Tony on the phone please?
waiter Vito: Sure. One moment please Johny. Big Tony is having a spaghetti meatballs with Louie "Lump Lump" and Joe "Quack Quack". They just finished eating.
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(a bit later Big Tony comes to the phone)
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Big Tony: Hi Johny.
Johny "The Nose": Hi boss, i got word i had to call you at Rocco's right now?
Big Tony: That's right Johny. The word is Big Tuna himself has put some contracts out to get our guy. First hit is gonna be tonight already.
Johny "The Nose": Tonight already? Djeez..Who is gonna do the paintjob? Anybody we know?
Big Tony: No idea. But it will be a top assassin like Nicky "Pro" Scarpa Jr. or Sammy “Top Tomato” Salammi.. Perhaps Vega himself? Mmmmm i dunno. Let’s just say Big Tuna knows some people who know some people, okay?
Johny "The Nose": Top Tomato? Djeez. Do we need that much ketchup?
Big Tony:.. You know Johny, for years, our family has been establishing itself in the foundation of the community here. Until now, the naive citizens have been totaly unaware of our presence.. totaly unaware ya know. But tonight however, tonight, someone will surely get it bigg time and that could change all the good life we have here because the hits have to go fast you know. I heared they are gonna wack one every night.. Pop-pop-pop..That entire list of yours, just to be sure. A lot of respected townsfolk will get shot.
Johny "The Nose": Djeez, one pop a night. That could get messy real fast. We don't know how town is gonna respond to this amount of slaughter..they could get organised and fight back? Form a lynch mob or something?
Big Tony: Yeah, i don't like it either. But im just an underboss gangster, and wise guys don't ask questions if it comes from the top do they? So watch your back at all times. And yeah, expect the worst like a lynch mob or so. So carry some extra protection. I heared Vega is even carrying a hand grenade for f*ck sake. Things are about to get dicey..consider yourself warned. Im sending you Louie and Joe as extra. You and Paulie show them around you hear me?. We need all the hands we can get. It's gonna be big trouble in little Italy soon. Im sure when the first innocent townie is iced the rest of em is gonna react. And our pyro will start to move around fast too. Man, I hope it's Sammy Salammi that got the job if the hit tonight is not a miss.. He got his "Top Tomato" nick name after he shot Eddy Four Eyes to pieces you know. Anyway. Be prepared.
Johny "The Nose": OK Boss.
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(Big Tony hangs up the phone).



FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NIGHT ACTIONS TONIGHT: SEND IN YOUR WISHES BY PM!

[SoN!c]

Flavour Meeting between "Big Tuna" and Vincent Vega Vengeful in Big Tuna's villa.

(The villa is a symbol of luxury and wealth surrounded by big gardens located in the "Forest Hill Montaigne" area of town and is protected by a dozen of armed "associates").


Vincent Vega: (kisses Big Tuna on the hand)
"Big Tuna" Gambino: (speeks with a deep throaty voice): What you got my son?
Vincent Vega: Don Gambino, We have a hitlist of 10 suspects, provided by Big Tony's man Johny "The Nose".
"Big Tuna" : Aah, Johny and his good nose. A good nose is a rare quality you know.
Vincent Vega: Boss, Who do you think has to go first and do you want me to do it?
"Big Tuna" : This is not a hit "somewhere around" Vinnie, this is a hit in our own town. Our own town. A respected area with only respected people living here. Get Scarpa Jr. for me. There can be no trace back to you and i want this done clean. Now of that list: Who do you think it is Vinnie?
Vincent Vega: Well, of that list of ten i think Mr. Weyland "Bo" Beauregard is not your average firebrigade captain sir. This guy has a military history, graduated cum laude at west point. Smart guy. Then ends up here as a firefighter? Naah.. coverstory for our arsonist is more likely. As captain of the firebrigade he can examine any fire so that is the perfect cover for our pyrokiller. But when i see that list i think these are all guys we can use in our family? I would love to have at least one of them on our side.. Why won't we make an offer they can't resist?
"Big Tuna" : Later perhaps. For now we do not take any chances. I made up my mind. Make it happen. Let Scarpa Jr. find this guy and do him up.
(Vincent Vega nods his head and walks away).


LATER THAT NIGHT:

Weyland "Bo" Beauregard leaves his house late to walk his dog. When he is around the corner, in a dark spot, suddenly a shadow moves behind him - coming out of nowhere - and right after the typical muffled sound of a .38 special was heared.


EXTREME WAYS - Town Firefighter - HAS BEEN SHOT!


IT IS NOW D2!

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Hmmm interesting.

Well Firefighter that is not the worst role to lose as town as the arsonist can also burn mafia and mostlikely would have not got any info, so not bad night overall...spacially cause there was jsut 1 dead, that means that the arsonist did not get a kill so either he decided not to move, which does not make much sense as a 3P would like to get player count low asap or he was blocked (Maybe the Jailkeeper). Not sure if there are other roles that block actions in this setting.

[Ragian]

Are you the arsonist, Traf?

[Charle]

ALL ROLES SENDED OUT! PUT ON YOUR HATS BOYS, IT'S MAFIA TIME!


Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)

The Mafia is composed of "Mad Vincent Vega Vengeful" and Don Giovanni “Big Tuna” Gambino!

Mechanics
Day start
Role Modifications

Jailkeeper, Roleblocker and Doc could have stopped Arsonist and or Vigilante ... going to be an interesting day.

Only 1 kill out of a possible 3 kills, I agree it is a good night. Not sure if Vigilante would use his powers yet.

[Charle]

Another possibility is that Vigilante, Arsonist and Scum all went for EW

[Loose Canon]

All of the pre tik tok posters got a reasonably clean look early doors in my book.

Ok I'm curious why Kong said he was a simple fishmonger still, but at the moment that's still curiousity more than suspicion.

That left the gen zzz ers - king,strike,Traf,homer.

Now Ew seems to have gone to sleep too. I'm wondering if Ew isn't deliberately trying not to look helpful though?

And now rag is grabbing some shuteye too.
Rag could be overplaying his id rather we didn't talk about ... because that gives mafia a chance to hide behind fluff making him by implication town, line of posting.

I don't really have anything to go hard on anyone with yet though.

I was kind of having a vibe on Max and you left him out.

Rag has noted that jfm jumped on the max not knowing exactly what his role is thing end of D1.
Jfm also previously highlighted max early D1 as above.

Whether it's a genuine townie D1 feel jfm had on max, or whether it's a mafia or arsonist D1 why not throw some shade on max ???

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Are you the arsonist, Traf?

No, I'm not

[TrafalgarLaw01]

ALL ROLES SENDED OUT! PUT ON YOUR HATS BOYS, IT'S MAFIA TIME!


Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)

The Mafia is composed of "Mad Vincent Vega Vengeful" and Don Giovanni “Big Tuna” Gambino!

Mechanics
Day start
Role Modifications

Jailkeeper, Roleblocker and Doc could have stopped Arsonist and or Vigilante ... going to be an interesting day.

Only 1 kill out of a possible 3 kills, I agree it is a good night. Not sure if Vigilante would use his powers yet.

Sometimes Docs can't save Arsonist kills so that's why there are firefighters, but I could be mistaken.

[Loose Canon]

There's an element of Charle playing dumb here re the arsonist.

And there's an element of Traf playing dumb but also helpful here re the arsonist.

To me Trafs play is the more suspect.

I said I was probably going to vote Strike early on D2 as a potshot on a possible mafia.
I'm thinking re Strike would he really go tit for tat N1 kill on EW - or would other players be more likely to go for EW N1 - with the added bonus if fingers pointed at Strike re an EW kill.

I've gone a bit cooler on Strike and a bit warmer on Traf as a potshot possible mafia.

vote Traf

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (1): Loose canon

[kongming3]

I believe it was confirmed that jailkeeper/doctor wouldn't protect against arsonist, but I went back to check and wasn't able to find anything so I could be wrong.

It's worth mentioning that kingm had some strange inconsistencies and voting habits day 1 that led to EW being suspicious of him (and voting him). EW then specifically brought up that mafia often likes to just kill people suspicious of them and gets away with it even if it might seem obvious - the fact that he just so happened to die at the next night makes kingm a relatively probable suspect for being scum. EW did sign-post the chain of events very obviously though so it could still be a set-up.

I find Traf's opening post D2 to be very strange. He clearly has some level of knowledge about arsonist as a role given his experience, the information given and discussed this game, and that he's familiar with Docs not saving Arsonist kills. Yet, he gets the first post of the day and immediately sets the narrative that because the arsonist didn't get a kill they therefore didn't move or must have been blocked? Ignoring or conveniently "forgetting" the fact that the entire mechanic of the arsonist is setting up delayed kills? It seems far more likely that the arsonist simply used the night to prime more people to setup for a future night mass killing. And your reasoning of arsonist wanting quick early kills doesn't hold water either. The 3P wants to kill everyone and be the last one standing as fast as possible yes, but priming four people and killing them all on the fifth night takes a lot fewer nights than priming one killing one priming one killing one and so on. Hiding among 10 people to avoid crossfire until you can kill a whole group is also a lot easier and safer than being one of 4 left and dying to mafia or town lynch while you still need two full nights to set back up a primed and ignitable target.

Vote Traf

I'd also like to say that this is not a haphazard potshot/light-pressure vote. I very much think town should be looking to lynch scum today, and if everyone treats votes as a casual way of applying pressure with no real follow through, scum inevitably ends up being the ones who can sway votes early with any conviction and potential lynches virtually always end up trailing off except for those that end with town hanging.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (2): Loose canon, Kongming


With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I believe it was confirmed that jailkeeper/doctor wouldn't protect against arsonist, but I went back to check and wasn't able to find anything so I could be wrong.

It's worth mentioning that kingm had some strange inconsistencies and voting habits day 1 that led to EW being suspicious of him (and voting him). EW then specifically brought up that mafia often likes to just kill people suspicious of them and gets away with it even if it might seem obvious - the fact that he just so happened to die at the next night makes kingm a relatively probable suspect for being scum. EW did sign-post the chain of events very obviously though so it could still be a set-up.

I find Traf's opening post D2 to be very strange. He clearly has some level of knowledge about arsonist as a role given his experience, the information given and discussed this game, and that he's familiar with Docs not saving Arsonist kills. Yet, he gets the first post of the day and immediately sets the narrative that because the arsonist didn't get a kill they therefore didn't move or must have been blocked? Ignoring or conveniently "forgetting" the fact that the entire mechanic of the arsonist is setting up delayed kills? It seems far more likely that the arsonist simply used the night to prime more people to setup for a future night mass killing. And your reasoning of arsonist wanting quick early kills doesn't hold water either. The 3P wants to kill everyone and be the last one standing as fast as possible yes, but priming four people and killing them all on the fifth night takes a lot fewer nights than priming one killing one priming one killing one and so on. Hiding among 10 people to avoid crossfire until you can kill a whole group is also a lot easier and safer than being one of 4 left and dying to mafia or town lynch while you still need two full nights to set back up a primed and ignitable target.

Vote Traf

I'd also like to say that this is not a haphazard potshot/light-pressure vote. I very much think town should be looking to lynch scum today, and if everyone treats votes as a casual way of applying pressure with no real follow through, scum inevitably ends up being the ones who can sway votes early with any conviction and potential lynches virtually always end up trailing off except for those that end with town hanging.

Hmmm I don't really know why both you and Loose think I playing dumb with Arsonist as Loose said whatever u are pointing here. Indeeed i said Doc cannot protect agaisnt Arsonist. However Jailkeeper cannot protect from it, but if it happeend to to lock the Arsonist then the Arsonist wouldnt be able to go and burn anyone.

BTW I did not knew at all Arsonist kills are delayed when is that stated? If that's the case then my initial post indeed is completely incorrect. I though a role like bomber are delayed but Arsonist i never knew of that. And I don't have experience dealing with Arsonist most of my mafia experience is on this site and we do not use the arsonist as much.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

The jailkeeper is the classic version: the one that protects its target from any number of kills, but also Roleblocks the target at the same time. That protection includes the "prime" action or "ignite" kill of the arsonist (or any other scum night action).

The jailkeeper is the only strong town role that has not been soft-altered (Because firefighter and jailkeeper are the 2 main roles to counter the arsonist).
Only the jailkeeper and the firefighter will protect town against the arsonist "ignite kill" (The "ignite-kill" pierces Doctor and Bulletproof protection). Because Jailer is also a Roleblocker, the Jailkeeper is never allowed to self-target, while the firefighter is. The firefighter's actions are ofcourse solely focussed on the arsonist while the jailkeeper actions also targets or counters the mafia.

Actually I went and Look and seems they are delayed in here. But indeed jailkeeper can protect against it

[Ragian]

The reason I asked if you're the arsonist, Traf, is that as an experienced player it strikes me as odd that you wouldn't know how an arsonist works on a fundamental level. And if that were to be the case, I'd assume that you'd look the role up. That led me to ask if you are the arsonist because it feels as if you want to say, "See, the arsonist was blocked or something," in order for whoever blocked whoever to keep doing that so that you can keep priming people.

This, I believe, is also why kongming is voting you and, perhaps, to a lesser extent, why Loose is voting you. I was going to vote you, too, but seeing that not everyone has chimed in yet, I'm waiting. We're not in a rush.

[Loose Canon]

Good posts by Kong and Rag in my book.

Linking a bit from each of their posts;

I'd particularly like to hear King chime in on where he stands on both Traf and players generally.

What is your read on everyone currently King?