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Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:26 am
by natty dread
OK, just want to know what's the procedure in cases like this?

Currently there's in Gameplay workshop my Nordic countries map, and another map of Scandinavia that was in the bin when I started working on my map.

So what's the deal here, will the Foundry allow two maps with almost identical areas (altought with different gameplay and graphics) or will one of the maps need to step down? And if so, how is it decided which gets to be quenched? The one who makes it through first? Some sort of competition?

Before I continue development on my map, I'd like all the facts and rules to be made clear. I've done lots of work on my map and I wouldn't like it all going to waste.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:21 am
by yeti_c
There are about 6 maps of America... about 5 of Europe... and 3 of the Age of Realms...

If both maps are good enough to be on the site - then they both shall be.

C.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:47 am
by Industrial Helix
Not to be a giant pessimist... but in all likely reality one of the mapmakers won't complete the map. More likely both won't.

When i tried a Japan map, someone else besides RedBaron was working on one and habitually said I stole his Japan idea or something. When I started 13 Colonies, someone else did a Revolutionary war map and made a point of noting the lack of conflict between us ect. because the maps were different.

My motto is, just keep working on your map.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:00 am
by captainwalrus
Industrial Helix wrote:When i tried a Japan map, someone else besides RedBaron was working on one and habitually said I stole his Japan idea or something.

:oops: :oops:
They were annoyingly similar though!

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:17 am
by yeti_c
Helix - has some fair points here...

Get your map into the Forge before you worry about any of this!!

C.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:51 am
by AndyDufresne
Or work together. :)


--Andy

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:43 pm
by natty dread
AndyDufresne wrote:Or work together. :)


--Andy


Indeed, I have already contacted the other mapmaker and we seem to have a good understanding between us, we're trying to cooperate and plan together to develop both our maps in different directions, so that both maps will be sufficiently unique and distinct from each other, to justify making both maps.

So I guess this thread can be closed, but thanks to all of you for your answers & comments!

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:24 pm
by AndyDufresne
Cooperation is always a good method---either working together on 1 project, or figuring out how to make two similar projects more unique, which is what it seems you have done! :)


--Andy

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:45 pm
by Industrial Helix
captainwalrus wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:When i tried a Japan map, someone else besides RedBaron was working on one and habitually said I stole his Japan idea or something.

:oops: :oops:
They were annoyingly similar though!


Lol, was it your map? Ironically we both ended up abandoning our maps. Case in point I guess :P

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:53 pm
by natty dread
Well, I'm not abandoning my map until the foundry mods come up and tell me straight to my face, "natty, your maps suck and you should never do anything again, just give it up" :D

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:21 am
by RedBaron0
Industrial Helix wrote:
captainwalrus wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:When i tried a Japan map, someone else besides RedBaron was working on one and habitually said I stole his Japan idea or something.

:oops: :oops:
They were annoyingly similar though!


Lol, was it your map? Ironically we both ended up abandoning our maps. Case in point I guess :P


It was InkL0sed, I remember seeing it. I made sure to message him to ask if he was going to keep going at some point. (I didn't see IH's and didn't know he tried at about the same time... :oops: ) He disappeared, and I never heard back.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:54 am
by porkenbeans
I started my Jamaica map, and did not realize that cairns already had a Jamaica map going. I told him that I would just go ahead and can mine. He said that he had no objections if I went ahead on it. I did, but it seemed that some others DID have objections.

Just something to think about. ;)

IMHO, I believe the guidelines are clear on this matter.
You just need to have a substantial uniqueness, that separates your map from any other that might be of the same subject matter. IE: game play, style etc.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:37 pm
by RedBaron0
Most maps will allow for multiple variations, if you can be creative enough. Some are easy... others not so much.

Jamaica falls under that category. 1 map for such a small country will be more than enough, unless you can make another one be REALLY unique. Part of it is that Jamaica itself doesn't have a lot of history behind it. Areas of vast, well known histories will always have a chance to become a map.

For Japan there are at least 2 more maps you could pull out of it without batting an eye and you probably wouldn't run into a lot of uniqueness opposition.

Feudal Japan
Japanese Empire WWII

Beyond these it'd get much harder to stay unique, but not impossible.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:55 pm
by natty dread
For Japan there are at least 2 more maps you could pull out of it without batting an eye and you probably wouldn't run into a lot of uniqueness opposition.


This reminds me... For some time I've been toying with the idea of making a map of the Dan-no-ura battle... the deciding battle of the genpei war. However I would need someone with a little more history knowledge to help me with the project.

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:58 pm
by AndyDufresne
RedBaron0 wrote:Most maps will allow for multiple variations, if you can be creative enough. Some are easy... others not so much.

Jamaica falls under that category. 1 map for such a small country will be more than enough, unless you can make another one be REALLY unique. Part of it is that Jamaica itself doesn't have a lot of history behind it. Areas of vast, well known histories will always have a chance to become a map.

For Japan there are at least 2 more maps you could pull out of it without batting an eye and you probably wouldn't run into a lot of uniqueness opposition.

Feudal Japan
Japanese Empire WWII

Beyond these it'd get much harder to stay unique, but not impossible.


Right, one could even do "Major Cities of Japan"---Japan has lots of possibilities.


--Andy

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:10 pm
by captainwalrus
RedBaron0 wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:
captainwalrus wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:When i tried a Japan map, someone else besides RedBaron was working on one and habitually said I stole his Japan idea or something.

:oops: :oops:
They were annoyingly similar though!


Lol, was it your map? Ironically we both ended up abandoning our maps. Case in point I guess :P


It was InkL0sed, I remember seeing it. I made sure to message him to ask if he was going to keep going at some point. (I didn't see IH's and didn't know he tried at about the same time... :oops: ) He disappeared, and I never heard back.

There have been many many Japan maps attempted, you were the first to succeed!

Re: Two maps of the same area in the Foundry?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:18 pm
by Industrial Helix
Ah yeah, I remember Inkcl0sed's map, it was really quite nice but I think it got caught up on trains or no trains, inset of Tokyo or no inset, ect. I'm glad RedBaron is making a Japan map though, looking forward to it.