Conquer Club

mibi wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:They let people like mibi run free, and do his hatchet job, free rained.

Can I help it if God speaks through my hatchet?

this site is already saturated with the standard gameplay / geographic style map - it's just rehashing the same thing over and over.

natty_dread wrote:If you feel that way, check out my Proteins 101 map. There you should find something refreshing and non-geographical...

captainwalrus wrote:"The foundry clique?" Really? Is that what you think the oldschool foundry guys are? A group of bitchy teenage girls who won't let you hang out with them. Lol, it has been a while since I heard that term.

porkenbeans wrote:

captainwalrus wrote:"The foundry clique?" Really? Is that what you think the oldschool foundry guys are? A group of bitchy teenage girls who won't let you hang out with them. Lol, it has been a while since I heard that term.

Old school ?
How can you call 15 year old delinquents, "old school" ?

mibi wrote:
This map is entirely pointless as well as being criminally hideous. I loved Conan the Barbarian, but this map looks like a diarrhea slick in a prehistoric square toilet. There is nothing that says Conan but the title. If there is some historic significance to Conan, it matters not, because it's not explicit in the map itself. It is quite obvious you are looking at the world in CC colored glasses, which is a mistake that many people make. They start seeing maps and saying 'wow this could be a cc map!", when in reality, COULD and SHOULD are entirely different. Could it be a CC map? Yes, CC has quite low standards these days. Should it be a CC map, of course not, it is quite literally a piece of shit. And whats with the squiggly territories? Please tell me that wasn't your idea. Nothing says Conan the Barbarian like a bunch of squiggly turd-like territories wedged together like they were extruded out of a designers rectum. And the names are suppose to be a joke right? Porkania ...Lackster...Optomus...Nobodies....Sully. Do these people really want to be corn kernels in your fecal party? The only good thing about this map is all the negative space you have in there. If there was anymore crap floating around in that space I would be forced to take a plunger to it.

My advice to you is this. Increase the amount of negative space you have about 500% until whatever is being excreted from the top of the map is entirely gone. Then go watch Conan the Barbarian. Come back with a map that incorporates Conan's themes in both the game play and design. Come up with own design, not some crap you googled. Then you might have something worth putting your time into.

Or, and this may be a better solution, you can just flush the entire thing down the foundry drain, wash your hands, slowly back out of the room, and pretend like you didn't stink up the place with the largest turd CC has seen since that Jamaica map a while back.


Re: Romania map
by the.killing.44 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:19 am
porkenbeans wrote:Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

Just three posts later, mibi said this:
mibi wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:"…take this map back to the drawing board, take the drawing board back to Ikea…"




yeah that was one of my favorite lines. Tactix seem to take it and go on to be a better map maker. Perhaps it could happen here.

So why is it "allowed to continue?" See bold: because it works. It may be blunt, but you need to grow tough skin and realize it is some of the best criticism you're going to get. mib was referring to the Citadel thread, where upon taking mib's post into consideration, Tack came back with a wildly better map that was worthy of quench.

Raskholnikov wrote:

mibi wrote:
This map is entirely pointless as well as being criminally hideous. I loved Conan the Barbarian, but this map looks like a diarrhea slick in a prehistoric square toilet. There is nothing that says Conan but the title. If there is some historic significance to Conan, it matters not, because it's not explicit in the map itself. It is quite obvious you are looking at the world in CC colored glasses, which is a mistake that many people make. They start seeing maps and saying 'wow this could be a cc map!", when in reality, COULD and SHOULD are entirely different. Could it be a CC map? Yes, CC has quite low standards these days. Should it be a CC map, of course not, it is quite literally a piece of shit. And whats with the squiggly territories? Please tell me that wasn't your idea. Nothing says Conan the Barbarian like a bunch of squiggly turd-like territories wedged together like they were extruded out of a designers rectum. And the names are suppose to be a joke right? Porkania ...Lackster...Optomus...Nobodies....Sully. Do these people really want to be corn kernels in your fecal party? The only good thing about this map is all the negative space you have in there. If there was anymore crap floating around in that space I would be forced to take a plunger to it. Thanks Rask. You saved me the trouble of the cut and paste.

gimil, I DID report this. I have not received any response whatsoever, from a mod. It seems that mibi, 44, and others are just too important, and have too much seniority to garner any kind of action by the mods. This proves that their is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

My advice to you is this. Increase the amount of negative space you have about 500% until whatever is being excreted from the top of the map is entirely gone. Then go watch Conan the Barbarian. Come back with a map that incorporates Conan's themes in both the game play and design. Come up with own design, not some crap you googled. Then you might have something worth putting your time into.

Or, and this may be a better solution, you can just flush the entire thing down the foundry drain, wash your hands, slowly back out of the room, and pretend like you didn't stink up the place with the largest turd CC has seen since that Jamaica map a while back.


Re: Romania map
by the.killing.44 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:19 am
porkenbeans wrote:Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

Just three posts later, mibi said this:
mibi wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:"…take this map back to the drawing board, take the drawing board back to Ikea…"




yeah that was one of my favorite lines. Tactix seem to take it and go on to be a better map maker. Perhaps it could happen here.

So why is it "allowed to continue?" See bold: because it works. It may be blunt, but you need to grow tough skin and realize it is some of the best criticism you're going to get. mib was referring to the Citadel thread, where upon taking mib's post into consideration, Tack came back with a wildly better map that was worthy of quench.

Raskholnikov wrote:

mibi wrote:
This map is entirely pointless as well as being criminally hideous. I loved Conan the Barbarian, but this map looks like a diarrhea slick in a prehistoric square toilet. There is nothing that says Conan but the title. If there is some historic significance to Conan, it matters not, because it's not explicit in the map itself. It is quite obvious you are looking at the world in CC colored glasses, which is a mistake that many people make. They start seeing maps and saying 'wow this could be a cc map!", when in reality, COULD and SHOULD are entirely different. Could it be a CC map? Yes, CC has quite low standards these days. Should it be a CC map, of course not, it is quite literally a piece of shit. And whats with the squiggly territories? Please tell me that wasn't your idea. Nothing says Conan the Barbarian like a bunch of squiggly turd-like territories wedged together like they were extruded out of a designers rectum. And the names are suppose to be a joke right? Porkania ...Lackster...Optomus...Nobodies....Sully. Do these people really want to be corn kernels in your fecal party? The only good thing about this map is all the negative space you have in there. If there was anymore crap floating around in that space I would be forced to take a plunger to it. Thanks Rask. You saved me the trouble of the cut and paste.

gimil, I DID report this. I have not received any response whatsoever, from a mod. It seems that mibi, 44, and others are just too important, and have too much seniority to garner any kind of action by the mods. This proves that their is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

My advice to you is this. Increase the amount of negative space you have about 500% until whatever is being excreted from the top of the map is entirely gone. Then go watch Conan the Barbarian. Come back with a map that incorporates Conan's themes in both the game play and design. Come up with own design, not some crap you googled. Then you might have something worth putting your time into.

Or, and this may be a better solution, you can just flush the entire thing down the foundry drain, wash your hands, slowly back out of the room, and pretend like you didn't stink up the place with the largest turd CC has seen since that Jamaica map a while back.


Re: Romania map
by the.killing.44 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:19 am
porkenbeans wrote:Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

Just three posts later, mibi said this:
mibi wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:"…take this map back to the drawing board, take the drawing board back to Ikea…"




yeah that was one of my favorite lines. Tactix seem to take it and go on to be a better map maker. Perhaps it could happen here.

So why is it "allowed to continue?" See bold: because it works. It may be blunt, but you need to grow tough skin and realize it is some of the best criticism you're going to get. mib was referring to the Citadel thread, where upon taking mib's post into consideration, Tack came back with a wildly better map that was worthy of quench.

AndyDufresne wrote:

captainwalrus wrote:"The foundry clique?" Really? Is that what you think the oldschool foundry guys are? A group of bitchy teenage girls who won't let you hang out with them. Lol, it has been a while since I heard that term.

This made me chuckle. Thanks captainwalrus.


--Andy

porkenbeans wrote:gimil,
I did report this quoted post. I received no response from any mod. This goes to prove that there is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

gimil wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:gimil,
I did report this quoted post. I received no response from any mod. This goes to prove that there is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

The fact that you didn't get a reply doesn't mean that there is a 'good ole boy' network. It simply means that a moderator hasn't responded to you concern. If it were still me I would of at the very least responded to your concern. So I can't say I approve of no communication from the boys in blue.

As for mibi, he has always been rough around the edges, but I have noticed his 'attitude' airing a more on the side of offensive rather that helpful over the last year or so. I feel that (not what he says) but how he says it (i think)needs to be tamed.

Ultimately thou, mibi says what he thinks. anything short of a ban won't stop him doing what he does or make him change.

porkenbeans wrote:Is just the sort of turning a blind eye on his disgusting behavior, that I am talking about.

gimil wrote:p.s. kudos to you and Raskholnikov for actually posting legitimate evidence to your concern. You would surprised how often people don't actually bother to justify their claims. Even when asked to.

gimil wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:Is just the sort of turning a blind eye on his disgusting behavior, that I am talking about.

Thanks pork but I would rather not be labelled as part of the problem. I will have a discussion about anything with almost anyone and I try to be rational about everything but you are going to start throwing blame recklessly (as you just did) make you as guilty of bringing down the atmosphere as anyone else.

I have never encouraged, condoned or tried to cover up anything like what we are talking about and I would appreciate that this maintain a discussion and not a place to begin arguments, unless you can fully justify starting a legitimate one.

Remember discussion is more prosperous that blame or conflict.

porkenbeans wrote:

captainwalrus wrote:"The foundry clique?" Really? Is that what you think the oldschool foundry guys are? A group of bitchy teenage girls who won't let you hang out with them. Lol, it has been a while since I heard that term.

Old school ?
How can you call 15 year old delinquents, "old school" ?

gimil wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:Is just the sort of turning a blind eye on his disgusting behavior, that I am talking about.

Thanks pork but I would rather not be labelled as part of the problem. I will have a discussion about anything with almost anyone and I try to be rational about everything but [if] you are going to start throwing blame recklessly (as you just did) make you as guilty of bringing down the atmosphere as anyone else.

porkenbeans wrote:Point in fact, I recently received a weeks "time out" just for typing the letters "F, U". How is it that, a select few "old school" folks, do not seem to be subject to the same rules as the rest of us lowly CC members ?

porkenbeans wrote:gimil,
I did report this quoted post. I received no response from any mod. This goes to prove that there is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

the.killing.44 wrote:

gimil wrote:p.s. kudos to you and Raskholnikov for actually posting legitimate evidence to your concern. You would surprised how often people don't actually bother to justify their claims. Even when asked to.

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100597&start=135&p=2289214&view=show#p2289214
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100597&start=135&p=2289246&view=show#p2289246
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100597&start=150&p=2289280&view=show#p2289280
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100597&start=150&p=2289447&view=show#p2289447
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100597&start=150&p=2289731&view=show#p2289731

viewtopic.php?f=241&t=99365&start=90&p=2293415&view=show#p2305269
viewtopic.php?f=241&t=99365&start=105&p=2308918&view=show#p2308918
viewtopic.php?f=241&t=99365&start=105&p=2311325&view=show#p2311325

viewtopic.php?f=127&t=101005&start=30&p=2315905&view=show#p2315905

My opinion on Rasklahbavikovx and porky's opinion on the Foundry? You've brought the general feeling of disdain onto yourselves. Try using all criticism to contribute to maps, instead of saying, "I wish that you would come around to [our idea of the map's direction]. It really is an interesting perspective on the subject." Maybe it's too late. You can bitch all you want that there is disdain towards you, and I will not deny that. But you have undeniably brought it upon yourselves. I can link at least twice the amount of examples I showed of instances where I was flamed or baited. If you wish…

MrBenn wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:

captainwalrus wrote:"The foundry clique?" Really? Is that what you think the oldschool foundry guys are? A group of bitchy teenage girls who won't let you hang out with them. Lol, it has been a while since I heard that term.

Old school ?
How can you call 15 year old delinquents, "old school" ?

It takes two to tango...

Most of the foundry "oldschool" are probably at least twice that age, and I'm not sure how wise it is to go around referring to anybody as "delinquent" and not expecting it to be considered as baiting material (if not an outright flame toward a specific 15 year old).

gimil wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:Is just the sort of turning a blind eye on his disgusting behavior, that I am talking about.

Thanks pork but I would rather not be labelled as part of the problem. I will have a discussion about anything with almost anyone and I try to be rational about everything but [if] you are going to start throwing blame recklessly (as you just did) make you as guilty of bringing down the atmosphere as anyone else.

porkenbeans wrote:Point in fact, I recently received a weeks "time out" just for typing the letters "F, U". How is it that, a select few "old school" folks, do not seem to be subject to the same rules as the rest of us lowly CC members ?

Did that really happen? Which moderator was responsible? I'm not aware of any "disciplinary action" like that from the foundry team... If you're not telling porkies (;-)), then I'd seriously suggest opening some dialog with Andy - I can assure you that any abuse of moderator powers is handled seriously.

porkenbeans wrote:gimil,
I did report this quoted post. I received no response from any mod. This goes to prove that there is indeed a "good ole boys" network alive and well in the Foundry.

Just because you're not copied in on correspondence between moderators and other CC members, doesn't mean that we are turning a "blind eye", or that the "house is not in order". We may not always handle things in the best way, but we handle things to the best of our ability at the time - after all, we all have real lives that should take precedence over this virtual world...

If you were to include a link to the relevant post, you will observe that the direct-flaming content has been edited out. I did not consider the rest of mibi's critique (which is undoubtedly unpleasant) can not be considered a direct flame as it attacks the map and not the maker. This is the distinction which is perhaps unique in the foundry... I have personal experience of people being unconstructively critical of my work. While this doesn't make criticism any easier, the ability to divorce yourself from your work to look at it subjectively helps us to develop as an individual and as an artist.

porkenbeans wrote:About the "time out " for typing "f,u" yes it really happened. viewtopic.php?f=468&t=95664&start=360#p2213882 I blew up at what I saw was a politically biased attack against Democrats. Isiah's Fractured America started out calling the Dems. commies and socialists, and the Reps. as flag waving patriots. I admit it. I blew up on Isaiah. I typed FU. and went on to call out the political rally, that was disguising itself as a map project.

MrBenn wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:About the "time out " for typing "f,u" yes it really happened. viewtopic.php?f=468&t=95664&start=360#p2213882 I blew up at what I saw was a politically biased attack against Democrats. Isiah's Fractured America started out calling the Dems. commies and socialists, and the Reps. as flag waving patriots. I admit it. I blew up on Isaiah. I typed FU. and went on to call out the political rally, that was disguising itself as a map project.

And you were given a week's forum vacation? Who by?

porkenbeans wrote:

MrBenn wrote:And you were given a week's forum vacation? Who by?

I forgot, and it has fallen off my inbox.
Yeah it really threw me for a loop. I have been a CC member for over 2 years, and I have never received any disciplinary action.

porkenbeans wrote:If you feel that I am trying to issue blame to anyone in particular, I am not succeeding with my communication. I am only trying to tell it like it is, from my understanding.

jefjef wrote:I personally think warnings should have been issued. And that Mibi post in the conan thread was WAY over the baiting line.

MrBenn wrote:Just because you're not copied in on correspondence between moderators and other CC members, doesn't mean that we are turning a "blind eye", or that the "house is not in order".