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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:48 pm

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gimil wrote:-Another new map ideas thread listing all those former ideas that have been mentioned. A large task but 2-3 helpers working together could get it done easy.

*puts up hand* So, a list of ideas, all as clickys to the threads?

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It will be no easy feat, I can promise you that :P

if it is "a list of ideas, all as clickys to the threads?"
then i am in


Lets not get ahead of ourself on this list, it is of the lowest priority. I would rather discuss how to clean up the ideas sub forum first.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:55 pm

I think gimil had the right idea, and it's better than making a vacation sub-forum. The sticky's at the top of the Recycling Bin for 1 month.

As for the Ideas Forum, i suggest 5 days of inactivity and the thread gets moved to the Recycling Bin if the suggester decides to post a draft then it can be moved into the drafting room. This will keep it Streamline, as it is now 8 pages of Ideas, that have had their due time in there ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:03 pm

I give it a week of inactivity. But I wanna get something clear ā€” if a thread has a draft in it, should it be moved to the Drafting Room?

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:04 pm

I would say yes but only if it was done in a proper graphics program, i wouldn't move something that was done in paint into the drafting room ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:05 pm

samuelc812 wrote:I would say yes but only if it was done in a proper graphics program, i wouldn't move something that was done in paint into the drafting room ;)


Perfect.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:07 pm

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samuelc812 wrote:I would say yes but only if it was done in a proper graphics program, i wouldn't move something that was done in paint into the drafting room ;)


Perfect.

Yep. Now the same yet opposite question ā€” do drafts made in Paint or another inadequate system that are in the Drafting Room get moved back into the Ideas subforum? I think that will take steps to clean out the Drafting Room, and a bit of the Ideas.

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:09 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
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samuelc812 wrote:I would say yes but only if it was done in a proper graphics program, i wouldn't move something that was done in paint into the drafting room ;)


Perfect.

Yep. Now the same yet opposite question ā€” do drafts made in Paint or another inadequate system that are in the Drafting Room get moved back into the Ideas subforum? I think that will take steps to clean out the Drafting Room, and a bit of the Ideas.

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MrBenn's call! Although my guess would be a on. Even in paint posting in the drafting room shows intent.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby oaktown on Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:17 am

may I chime in and address some points made here?

for starters, the "How to use this sub-forum" post in the Drafting Room says that "If your map thread sits around in the Drafting Room for over a month without an update, it will be considered abandoned and moved to the Scrap Heap (from which it can re-emerge at your request)." So we already have a rule in place here.

As for stickying maps in the Scrap Heap... it's just making more work for the CAs, when we should be doing more important things like giving feedback on active maps. Every half-hour that I spend trying to figure out how old maps are means one more day that i don't get around to checking army coordinates on a map that is ready to be quenched. Gimil and I have had a few sessions of cleaning up the foundry forums, and it can be tedious work... personally I find it far more efficient to give the mapmaker the responsibility of properly tagging his/her map, and PM'ing one of us when the it is time to move the map around. We're all pretty quick to respond to requests to have a thread moved. If a mapmaker splits for a few months and can't be bothered to add a vacation tag or tell us of their intentions to return, then I say stick it in the Scrap Heap as is.

The same goes for threads in Ideas and Drafts. Unless I spot something that is clearly where it shouldn't belong I will give the mapmaker some latitude to work his thread out, and let one of us know if it needs to be moved. Some threads in Ideas have a rough image, but there is no intention of that image becoming a working map project. And some threads in Drafts look like dung, but they are intended as map drafts. I think all of the CAs want to respect the intentions of the user posting these threads, regardless of the level of ability/talent.

And the original concern of this thread: nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum. I would argue that this isn't entirely true - every now and then an idea is good and is turned into a draft, either by the original poster of the idea or somebody else who picked it up. Does this happen often? No. This isn't because the idea are all bad, but because there are a limited number of CC users with the time and ability to run a map through the Foundry.

The Map Ideas sub-forum was created to replace the 131 page disaster that was the Map Ideas Thread. If you want to see a place where nothing gets accomplished, check out that thread. Ideas went there to die, because it was impossible to have any kind of intelligent discussion about every idea in one thread. Now each idea has a thread in which discussion can run it's course. When somebody says they want to see a Star Wars map, they can be told that copyright is an issue. When somebody asks to see a map of the Human Body, they can be directed to the current thread in Drafts. When somebody asks for a map of Middle Earth, they can be told that we used to have one but it was removed. These are all good things because it gives folks information they seek, which I consider to be something that is accomplished.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:46 am

To partially echo what Oak said, while very few map ideas actually get implemented, sometimes the ones that do rock. Anyone else remember how Oasis first came to be? ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:24 am

oaktown wrote:All this makes me an unhappy hippo


Oaktown nothing suggested was to put more work on the CA's desk. The plan in my mind is to get helpers in to do it for us, assuming there is no issues with giving helpers basics powers with andy or twill.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby InkL0sed on Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:31 am

ZeakCytho wrote:To partially echo what Oak said, while very few map ideas actually get implemented, sometimes the ones that do rock. Anyone else remember how Oasis first came to be? ;)


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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby LED ZEPPELINER on Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:07 pm

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oaktown wrote:All this makes me an unhappy hippo


Oaktown nothing suggested was to put more work on the CA's desk. The plan in my mind is to get helpers in to do it for us, assuming there is no issues with giving helpers basics powers with andy or twill.

id help if you are looking for helpers

i think that the ideas suggestions should actually be divided. ideas where people have an actuall idea, like number of territories, and what they plan for it to look like, and maybe a rough map. and suggestions for people who cant or don't want to can say that somebody should make a map about bla bla bla

just something to think about
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:17 pm

edbeard wrote:it's fulfilling its role perfectly which is keeping a lot of crap out of the drafts forum. some of the crap falls through and some stuff in ideas isn't crap but any filtering system has its problems.

ideas flounder because they don't have the right person driving the wheel. 99% of the time you're not going to find someone else to do it for you.



Complitely Agree with edbeard!

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:00 pm

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edbeard wrote:it's fulfilling its role perfectly which is keeping a lot of crap out of the drafts forum. some of the crap falls through and some stuff in ideas isn't crap but any filtering system has its problems.

ideas flounder because they don't have the right person driving the wheel. 99% of the time you're not going to find someone else to do it for you.



Complitely Agree with edbeard!

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I generally agree as well. If it can be tidied up and made more usful, then why not?
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:59 pm

gimil wrote:
oaktown wrote:All this makes me an unhappy hippo


Oaktown nothing suggested was to put more work on the CA's desk. The plan in my mind is to get helpers in to do it for us, assuming there is no issues with giving helpers basics powers with andy or twill.


If you are looking for helpers I would be willing to do anything...
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:00 pm

Why is nothing being done?
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby naxus on Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:55 pm

Just a thought but why not just make it so that to get out of the ideas sub-forum it has to have a idea stamp or approval of a mod.
If it is the stamp then just have the requirments be
-Original idea
-No copyright issues
-Author knows how to make the map or has a partner that can help with further stages

You could even add a "helper" that could administer the stamp and lock or remove abondoned threads

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby InkL0sed on Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:08 am

Nothing being accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum?

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=76425
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=76131

I'd say something's getting done in those threads.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:25 am

sailorseal wrote:Why is nothing being done?


Why are you assuming we are sitting back on our behinds? ;) Be careful about assumptions. The C.A.'s and I have been discussing a number of issues regarding the Foundry, and we hope to get some ideas, involving a number of topics (not just ideas) soon.


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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:10 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
sailorseal wrote:Why is nothing being done?


Why are you assuming we are sitting back on our behinds? ;) Be careful about assumptions. The C.A.'s and I have been discussing a number of issues regarding the Foundry, and we hope to get some ideas, involving a number of topics (not just ideas) soon.


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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby captainwalrus on Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:04 pm

One problem that I have with the Ideas sub-forum is that there is no real way to propose suggestions for gameplay eliments and not neccesaraly maps. Too many people only consider an idea with a map attached and a lot of times unless there is a rough draft up people just ignore it.

Also, in general not many people go into the sub-forum. For this reson there should not be a rule which moves ideas to the recycling bin after 5 days of inacivity. For example, I just saw a thread which had been in the forum for over a week with only 19 views. I think a lot of decent ideas would get moved into the recycling bin after the five day period. This would also make the recycling bin very crouded and make it harder for good drafts to make it out of there.

I don't have many solutions besides saying that there needs to be a way to bring more people to the foundery.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby oaktown on Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:39 pm

captainwalrus wrote:there should not be a rule which moves ideas to the recycling bin after 5 days of inacivity. For example, I just saw a thread which had been in the forum for over a week with only 19 views. I think a lot of decent ideas would get moved into the recycling bin after the five day period. This would also make the recycling bin very crouded and make it harder for good drafts to make it out of there.

It would indeed clutter up the recycling bin. I go into the bin to find threads far more often than I venture into the Ideas sub-forum, primarily because the old items in the bin are far more developed and thought-out than 99% of what is in Ideas. I'd rather not make it any messier than it already is in there.

Interesting point, though, about the need for a place to discuss gameplay features rather than just map ideas. Some of that dicussion goes on in the XML suggestions threads, in Foundry Discussions, and in the general Sug's and Bugs forum, but I agree that Ideas is a good place for it.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:22 pm

I'd go along with suggestions to divide the ideas section up.

Maybe an additonal foum so there are 'Ideas' and 'Initial Outlines' (ideas with at least some sort of picture to comment on and demonstrate that the author has a little enthusiasm and may possibly be able to spend some time on the project).

This might sift out the passing thoughts from the ideas that have been thought through a bit?
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby LED ZEPPELINER on Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:24 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:I'd go along with suggestions to divide the ideas section up.

Maybe an additonal foum so there are 'Ideas' and 'Initial Outlines' (ideas with at least some sort of picture to comment on and demonstrate that the author has a little enthusiasm and may possibly be able to spend some time on the project).

This might sift out the passing thoughts from the real ideas?

i think that it should be divided also, but for ideas: with an initial sketch, and suggestions: wich is just an idea with no sketch/draft
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby yeti_c on Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:37 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:but we just don't have the wo/man power to improve its current state.


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