ben elohim-sons of god the 8th order of angels
In the beginning the gods created the heaven and the earth.Genesis i.1
Fall of the angels Book of Enoch
In the phoenician tradition the 'little gods' cleared up the chaos,the shotereb. The hebrews were slaves of the phoenicians and they learned to ...

I am constantly baffled by the assertion that I and others have rejected God,how can you reject something that doesnt exist :? Its true that I have dismissed the idea of a God but thats not the same thing, have to admit that Im far from sold on pixies as well :cry:

Just because you say, "God ...

I don't ever see God punishing people for their parents evil, either. Specific examples are much more helpful than broad, sweeping statements.

I've never see God punish anyone so i cant argue with that. Unless a natural disaster is god punishement than he punishes innocent people as well.

Why ...

I have studied a variety of religious and non religious belief structures. The one which is the most consistent and has the fewest logical leaps is Christianity. If you'd care to debate this with me, start a thread, outline your main points, and lets get started.

The concept of the Christian God ...

In any given written work of reasonable size, there is going to be both figurative language and literal language. The trick is distinguishing between the two based on context and the author's intention. This can be difficult, given that the books of the Bible were written some time ago, but ...

No no, inerrancy means the is no error in the scripture whatsoever. The Bible is 100% true and should be taken totally literal.

Exactly. 100% True, except for those parts that aren't...metaphors, etc.

We will decide which is which to fit the times. :lol:
Giant ark & worldwide flood? Metaphor ...

No no, inerrancy means the is no error in the scripture whatsoever. The Bible is 100% true and should be taken totally literal.

Exactly. 100% True, except for those parts that aren't...metaphors, etc.

We will decide which is which to fit the times. :lol:
Giant ark & worldwide flood? Metaphor ...

FYI It's not the execution that costs so much its the appeals, the prosecution, etc. which make the life sentence roughly $100,000 cheaper per criminal than the execution.
My response to you already covered that.

Avoiding the point when backed into a corner, eh? Sure...just brush it off like ...

Here's my most recent score,
Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

I used to be more a little more left and downward into libertarianism.

How much does a bullet cost? :roll:

I didn't think you were such a massive idiot.
In turn I didn't think you were such an idiot, by missing the point.

FYI It's not the execution that costs so much its the appeals, the prosecution, etc. which make the life sentence roughly $100,000 cheaper per ...

Ah, but the Kings allowed their subjects to go on to the Crusades, something that they wouldn't do if it was not beneficial for them. In the eyes of most kings of the era, peasents were fore mass-doing things, for growing mass crops, for forming mass armies, ect. Why get rid of a huge chunk of an ...

Ah, but the Kings allowed their subjects to go on to the Crusades, something that they wouldn't do if it was not beneficial for them. In the eyes of most kings of the era, peasents were fore mass-doing things, for growing mass crops, for forming mass armies, ect. Why get rid of a huge chunk of an ...

unriggable wrote:So you want to change the death penalty to make it an old-school execution where theres a huge chance of survival? I don't think your republican counterparts would like that.

I never remember saying a single word about my personal opinion being heavy on the death penalty.

Snorri1234 wrote:

MelonanadeMaster wrote: How much does a bullet cost?

I didn't think you were such a massive idiot.

In turn I didn't think you were such an idiot, by missing the point.

The heart is rarely a better judge than the head, emotion is more interesting than logic but often flatters to decieve. One may believe they are talking to God but perhaps they are talking to themselves, there are no certainties just probabilities.

So when someone dies, you just stoically accept ...

The heart is rarely a better judge than the head, emotion is more interesting than logic but often flatters to decieve. One may believe they are talking to God but perhaps they are talking to themselves, there are no certainties just probabilities.

So when someone dies, you just stoically accept ...

Ah, but the Kings allowed their subjects to go on to the Crusades, something that they wouldn't do if it was not beneficial for them. In the eyes of most kings of the era, peasents were fore mass-doing things, for growing mass crops, for forming mass armies, ect. Why get rid of a huge chunk of an ...

Oh quit sniffling already you grumpy sod. People like myself and Backglass are adding plenty of relevant material to this debate; you just don't want to play ball with us because we refuse to pander to your pretensions of genius, nor delude ourselves that your belief system demands some sort of ...

Certainly. I hardly ever read the Bible to try and gleam theological truths, only to find spiritual strength etc...

Well, it is hard to find truths in a fiction book. Glad you acknowledge that Naps!
Hope you relise that you're pathetic for making childish jibes when some people, from both sides ...

Descartes was a theologian? I thought he was a mathematician.

Melonanade Master, if everything has to come from somewhere, how do you validate the existance of the universe? Or do you think it's been around forever (non-rhetorical)?
I'm saying that the basic principal is that everything needs to ...

well if you look at feudalism from the outside, since so much of rights to eventual land ownership rested in the first son, what were you going to do with all those extra sons. They clearly didnt have a whole lot of economic future, and seemingly were going to need something to do to keep them away ...

I'll give a few quotes from famouse theologians:

Augustine: Our minds are in contact with eternal, objective, and absalute truth superior to our mindsand the eternal is divine, not human.

Descartes: Our idea of a perfect God could not have come from any imperfect source (cause), for the effect ...

Minister Masket wrote: An original thought of mine is how the Devil hasn't and will never understand that God is immortal and cannot be defeated.
He actually seems a bit dim to me.

Anyway, discuss with glee.

Angels make the choice once how to live, once they've sinned they're eternaly corrupted.

Certainly. I hardly ever read the Bible to try and gleam theological truths, only to find spiritual strength etc...

Well, it is hard to find truths in a fiction book. Glad you acknowledge that Naps!
Hope you relise that you're pathetic for making childish jibes when some people, from both sides ...

well if you look at feudalism from the outside, since so much of rights to eventual land ownership rested in the first son, what were you going to do with all those extra sons. They clearly didnt have a whole lot of economic future, and seemingly were going to need something to do to keep them away ...